traction control and stuff....

[fireslave]

hey guys, im looking for some info regarding traction control on the 350z.

im not a big fan of such things myself... like ABS, they can make you faster but the reason I like to drive is that i like to DRIVE. If i didnt I'd just ride a damn train.

I dont really know that much about the 350z, since I've never actually been lucky enough to drive one, but I was wondering what you guys kew about this stuff.

I assume TCS cuts the throttle when theres a signifigant difference between front and rear wheel speeds, but does it take into account steering angle? How big of a speed difference would you say it kicks in at.

The reason I ask is that I think I might be using a 350z engine/transmission/all electronics for an s13 swap. my plan was to hook all the wheel speed sensors up to the rear wheels, so TCS would never turn on and interrupt my sideways antics. is TCS based off the wheel speed sensors like the ABS is? i think i heard it was...

are there any other electronics that I should be wary of, other than the whole huge-amounts-of-wiring thing?

any info would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I think my donor car will be a 2007, if that make any difference.thanks

[jaym5k]

I like it in the snow, I can hold the gas to the floor and the throttle will repeatedly cut and you can feel the rear end of the car being held in place preventing it from whipping out. As far as dry conditions, well I always turn it off when i get into my car. Its impossible to track the car with it on IMO, the second you chirp a gear the engine will cut power dramatically. If your not spinning your tires then I guess the VDC is ok for helping you stay balanced around a turn.

[R350Zz33]

just dont hook it u if u dont want it many people pull the abs fuses if they drift

[ldstang50]

Not sure what year, but there my Z also has a tire pressure monitoring system, not sure if its gonna bother you at all as its just an annoying light that comes on.

[R350Zz33]

all the 350z's have that again if hes using the 240 dash they dont have that option so no hook up so no annoying tps light when using different wheels.

[ldstang50]

It doesn't matter if its hooked into the dash, if he hooks up with the TCS and has no way to turn it off he's screwed in keeping the rearend out.

[evildky]

I think the traction control has a seperate cumputer, but when in doubt, full stand alone, honestly with allt he security drama with the key and the drive by wire pedal, I say why bother swapping if your nto gonna go stand alone and covert to cable

[R350Zz33]

so hes better off throwing in a rb26

[redsx13]

hey guys, im looking for some info regarding traction control on the 350z.

im not a big fan of such things myself... like ABS, they can make you faster but the reason I like to drive is that i like to DRIVE. If i didnt I'd just ride a damn train.

I dont really know that much about the 350z, since I've never actually been lucky enough to drive one, but I was wondering what you guys kew about this stuff.

I assume TCS cuts the throttle when theres a signifigant difference between front and rear wheel speeds, but does it take into account steering angle? How big of a speed difference would you say it kicks in at.

The reason I ask is that I think I might be using a 350z engine/transmission/all electronics for an s13 swap. my plan was to hook all the wheel speed sensors up to the rear wheels, so TCS would never turn on and interrupt my sideways antics. is TCS based off the wheel speed sensors like the ABS is? i think i heard it was...

are there any other electronics that I should be wary of, other than the whole huge-amounts-of-wiring thing?

any info would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I think my donor car will be a 2007, if that make any difference.thanks

The 350z has one of the worst tcs systems i have ever felt. It is not at all advanced , it is basically a failsafe that keeps the wheels from spinning. If works solely off of wheel speed sensors, ther are no other yaw or angle sensors.

the power cut is very abrupt, and engauges fairly easily.

"How big of a speed difference would you say it kicks in at?"around a 2/3 rotation of the rear wheel independently from the front.

and yes, it operates on a seperate controm module which does not need to be hooked up.

most vq swaps into the s chassis dont utilize the wheel speed sensors because there is no need.

Some helpful advice would be to locate someone who has done a similar swap, and take notes.

good luck!
Modified by redsx13 at 4:17 AM 1/3/2009

[redsx13]

just dont hook it u if u dont want it many people pull the abs fuses if they drift

why do they do that when all they have to do is push a button?

[fireslave]

i didnt realize that there was a button to turn it off. but seeing as how a lot of people track their Z's, it makes sense. pretty sweet.

I was just worried that I might somehow end up with the TCS stuck on all the time, which would totally suck.

I'm getting a wrecked car, not just an engine and trans, so I plan on putting basically all the 350z wiring into the 240sx anyways. I might even try to make the gauge cluster fit somehow, of course, without having both in hand, it's hard to say whether it'll be do-able. It'd be nice to just keep all the electronics the same to save myself some headaches.

But if the module isn't needed, that would save me the trouble of messing with speed sensors, which would be nice.

thanks for the info, guys

[fireslave]

about the tire pressure sensors....

I assume they are just little wireless electronics do-dads attached to the rims with a little glue or something, right?

[BusyBadger]

so hes better off throwing in a rb26

Sure, just "throw it in" - like its a straight forward bolt-in operation. You should go over to the 240 section and offer some of your pearls of wisdom over there. Let me know how that works out for you.

why do they do that when all they have to do is push a button?

The VDC button cancels the VDC, it doesn't turn off the abs system, hence pulling the fuse.

In any case, there is a huge thread over in the 240 section detailing this swap with loads of pics and a few vid links as well. It can be found here.

[redsx13]

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about the tire pressure sensors....

I assume they are just little wireless electronics do-dads attached to the rims with a little glue or something, right?

there is a 12mm nut that holds it on through the tire valve hole. it is part of the valve.

[z33nismo12]

for god sake its 2009! just leave the ABS alone....

[PapaSmurf2k3]

for god sake its 2009! just leave the ABS alone....

what are you talking about?

In any case, there is a huge thread over in the 240 section detailing this swap with loads of pics and a few vid links as well. It can be found here.

+1I was going to post that link. There are other threads about it too.

[fireslave]

yea, thats a good thread.

I've already done a ton of research on this swap. Of course, i'm swapping the whole 350z electronics in, so i'll have a different set of headaches anyways... atleast i know it will work though....

speaking of usless annoying electronics crap, i hear theres a speed limiter at 159 mph. thats lame. i may never reach such a speed (i guess it would depend on where i had to drive it) but does anyone know if it can be disabled? is it based on the speedo? im going to have to adjust mine because the overall diameter of the tires will be a little less. it would totally suck if it limited my car to like 150 or something... again, not because i really need to go that fast, but just because all you guys in the 350's would totally have me beat should we ever end up in the salt flats. and even though i never will, it would slowly chip away at my ego.

If the gods love me, it would be on the same module as the TCS, which is going in my trash can.

I dont give me any crap about it being un-necissary or childish or whatever. I've taken way to many damn CS classes and watched too much damn sci-fi, and i just find the idea of a computer preventing me from killing myself to be both highly offensive and dangerous in its own way, you dig?

[R350Zz33]

if ur gonna be using all the 350z electronics that means u will have the z's obd2 port what u can do to take the limiter off is get a cobb access port tuner for that year engine or send the ecu in for a reflash u can have them take the limiter off when they reflash

[Watermelonwarrior]

for god sake its 2009! just leave the ABS alone....

and he has this in his sig... "Drifting (motorsport), which is a sport where drivers intentionally induce oversteer, to be judged on their technique."

[fireslave]

huh... odd little device lets you adjust your AFR, eh? (cobb access port runer)

anyone know if you can run boost by using this thing alone, or would you need a piggyback/standalone anyways?