Yes really. I'm not suggesting he's blameless, the million in security wasted for his disaster of a presidential campaign, the $100K in food he ate just during his football game visits to Jerra Jones' luxury suite in Texas, the millions in taxpayer funds paid to partisan law firms to "audit" and conclude he was "innocent" of Bridgegate, despite his being the one to appoint personal friends who got caught doing it, (the buck stops there, not here) or trying to slime free use of state police helicopters to attend his kid's little league games, that's on him. But those amounts are small compared to the $1.5 Billion annual payments he promised to keep in the budget for the employee pension fund, then tried to back out of it with the legislature's blessing instead of reducing spending. He's not the only villain. And that legislature is controlled by the party that you support.

telcoman wrote:Hillary is not going to be indicted!

you are correct
as long as Obama is president, you're right. She knows to much about that fool and his corrupt admin

Be careful what you wish for because Bernie is getting closer to the White House door.

you are correct

The young college educated just becoming new voters are going to profoundly change this country.

you are correct
these brain washed youths had 4 years of sociliast/democrat/communist professors instilling THIER values and views into the empty headed students. but no worries, as soon as these empowered voters reach the real world with: jobs, loans, bills, rent, etc = more than half become normal and stop seeing high taxes for the lazy as a viable option in life.
"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

The GOP is not attractive to them with their present platform.

you are correct
after 4 years in a socialist, ultra-liberal bubble (college), you're right- republicans and their views dont appear appealing.

The GOP is restricting and making voting more difficult is red states where there is no evidence of any voter fraud.

i love how liberals spin things. let me break this down:
the GOP isnt "restricting" voting. they simply ONLY want citizens to vote. the only ones "restricted" from voting are those who are not citizens. which is how its ALWAYS been. what will stop John Doe the U.S. citizen-democrat from voting twice? once under John Doe and once under Juan Dominguez (his illegal alter-ego)? Furthermore, with democrats promising legalization for illegals, this almost guarantees the millions of illegals to vote DEMOCRAT. its all about appealing to a base just to get elected.

The GOP is not an attractive party to anyone with a decent education and follows politics.

really? take a peak at your democrat party's accomplishments:

Trump is attractive to mostly uneducated,uninformed, bigots, and racists.

as obama is attractive to mostly uneducated, uninformed ghetto thugs and socialists.
2 can play that. but lets not.

ImStriken06: Regarding those voter id laws, you might want to watch this.... it's funny but it should make you pause and think about what's actually going on.

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/wat ... s-20160215

You can't buy a beer without ID, but somehow voting is this nebulous thing where expecting accountability of the participants is a bridge too far? Yeah, um, no. If you can't prove who the %$#@ you are and that you are a legit American citizen and that you didn't just vote earlier today, &^%$ you, get out. NO, your voice doesn't count because it shouldn't.

I think you're talking apples and oranges a bit. The beer purchase id law is simply to deter anyone underage from buying alcohol, which happens daily, and it's the seller that gets severely punished if they get caught selling to minors. With voter id, it's exactly the reverse The voter gets fined if caught, the fines are even bigger, and it's a very rare occurance. You might want to research how many people have actually been caught doing it (much less risk such a large fine waiting in line just to cast one vote fraudulently). If you did, you'll find these proposed laws address a problem so tiny that it essentially doesn't exist particularly in national elections. Most cases, the errors are due to clerical errors, not id fraud. It also seems much more than a coincidence that the party suggesting the id's benefit most from those laws to the point that it can be easily viewed as a sleazy partisan voter suppression strategy. In fact, there are members of that one party who actually admit that's what it is. Unless you belong to the party that benefits from a sleazy voter suppression strategy, it's a waste of time to devote so much legislative energy on passing it. And people wonder why nothing meaningful gets done in Congress? This topic is a classic example. And FWIW, if it was the other party that would have benefitted from that sleaze, you can bet they'd do the exact same thing. That's politics.

^^^^^^

What he said

Telcoman

Who is it supressing?

Evidently not you or me as we both have a driver's license and/or passport. Not everyone has them. But here's a few for you that would be surpressed: thousands of urban Black or Hispanic citizens who don't drive, (most of whom happen to be registered Democrats, and these are Republicans sponsored bills), elderly people on fixed incomes who can no longer drive, and therefore no longer have driver's licenses, and might have trouble going to the extra lengths and/or cost to obtain what are being proposed as proper "legal" ids), people with suspended drivers licenses. Give me time I'm sure I can come up with more.. There's no disputing it's a partisan suppression tactic, as there are RNC members that have confirmed it on video. The voter id laws is one of the rare subjects where I agree with Howie.

Here is one!

http://politic365.com/2012/08/30/nra-ca ... er-id-law/

Stupid Republicans.

Piss off all the college students so they can march in the street against you and get good free media coverage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32tF-S6K60

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... oters.html

Telcoman

Bubba1 wrote:Evidently not you or me as we both have a driver's license and/or passport. Not everyone has them. But here's a few for you that would be surpressed: thousands of urban Black or Hispanic citizens who don't drive, (most of whom happen to be registered Democrats, and these are Republicans sponsored bills), elderly people on fixed incomes who can no longer drive, and therefore no longer have driver's licenses, and might have trouble going to the extra lengths and/or cost to obtain what are being proposed as proper "legal" ids), people with suspended drivers licenses. Give me time I'm sure I can come up with more.. There's no disputing it's a partisan suppression tactic, as there are RNC members that have confirmed it on video. The voter id laws is one of the rare subjects where I agree with Howie.

So how did these people obtain social welfare benifits if they are un-IDable? Come on man, you dont really think im that stupid right? If illegals can get a drivers license or legal ID, why cant "urban black" US citizens?

Democrats have little no faith in hispanics & blacks. You guys think they are all to stupid, and unable to go get a legal ID only card from a state agency. Too poor or 'lost' to get an ID card; but somehow they get out to get food, fuel, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, clothing, welfare programs, etc. You cant tell me they lost all their info and are unble to be ID'd. Do you really think this low of blacks & hispanics?

ImStricken06 wrote: So how did these people obtain social welfare benifits if they are un-IDable? Come on man, you dont really think im that stupid right? If illegals can get a drivers license or legal ID, why cant "urban black" US citizens?

No, I don't think you're stupid, but I do have a feeling you haven't read that much on the subject, and might be shooting from the hip. Listen, Urban does not mean people on welfare. You're the one making that leap. But since you brought Welfare recipients up, you would think if someone can get on Welfare, that id should suffice to identify themselves when voting. BZZZT. Nope. Under the proposals, those id's are unacceptable. Kinda silly, don't you think? which is yet another reason why these proposals are suppressive.

Next, drivers licenses. Yes you're right, its true that some states (not all) allow illegals to get special drivers licenses, but illegals cannot vote. But driving is a privilege in this country. It's NOT a requirement. I'm guessing you don't live in a big city like NYC. If you lived there, you'd learn immediately that you don't need a car, and in fact, most residents don't own them because vehicles are prohibitively expensive to keep there. So if you live there, why on earth would you go to the effort/expense of taking a driving test and paying to obtain/keep a drivers license for driving something you don't own and will never use? And that goes for illegals as well. IF they live in NYC, there's no reason for them get drivers license. "C'mon, man".

Bottom line, is that you're still ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room, which is that these proposed laws don't actually fix anything. There aren't enough cases of it happening to invest so much resources trying to "fix" it. Let that sink in a moment. And to make matters worse, at the same time, it makes it more difficult for a bigger percentage of the opposing party to excercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. This is a classic example of partisan politics at its worst.

The video link I attached earlier highlights the hypocrisy in an amusing way. I strongly recommend you watch it.

I lived in nyc- West 6th & ave p in bay ridge, bk. I have family there. Heck i have 70yr old family off the boat, and all have legal state issued ID's.
My GF's sister lives in bk, and never owned a car - but has a license just for ID reasons.
You're right, not all nyc residents own cars- BUT almost all own a city/state issued legal ID that states: "ID ONLY". Nj does the same thing. People own these to get into bars, to get an JOB, apartment, to qualify for social programs, etc.
So Dems supposedly worrying about a tiny select few who cant get their life together to get a state ID is nothing more than BS; its the illegal vote you guys want. Dems should be honest- they'd get respect.

Seriously, how do non-speaking illegals get a state issued id, yet american citizens cant get that same id to vote? Why should we Kill the integrity Of our voting system to "help" those who cant even get an id

ImStricken06 wrote:Democrats have little no faith in hispanics & blacks. You guys think they are all to stupid, and unable to go get a legal ID only card from a state agency. Too poor or 'lost' to get an ID card; but somehow they get out to get food, fuel, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, clothing, welfare programs, etc. You cant tell me they lost all their info and are unble to be ID'd. Do you really think this low of blacks & hispanics?

No, I don't think low of blacks or hispanics. We're all Americans. I could just as easily ask if you blindly accept anything your political party of choice feeds you. If any id could be used to confirm voter identity, there would not be an argument. The problem is the Republicans proposals seek to limit the type of id's that are acceptable. The idea is to make it inconvenient for those without those specific id's to exercise their right to vote, and it's no coincidence that it impacts Democrats far more than Republicans. And to make matters worse, there are RNC folks that have gone on record and admitted it, yet many people continue to deny it's voter suppression. I find that more sad.

Oh by the way, The RNC calculates the voter id laws will reduce Democratic turnout by 5%. That's significant in a close race. Ask yourself, if they were solely concerned about fixing a problem, why calculate that? Again, "c'mon, man"

ImStricken06 wrote:Seriously, how do non-speaking illegals get a state issued id, yet american citizens cant get that same id to vote? Why should we Kill the integrity Of our voting system to "help" those who cant even get an id

This we agree on. I think it's crazy, and both political parties are doing it. Heck, Chris Christie recently signed a bill that gives illegal aliens in-state tuition rates. That means illegal aliens pay less to attend a NJ state college than a Pennsylvania US citizen. WTF!!! But giving illegals perks like a drivers license or tuition discounts do not necessarily kill the integrity of our voting system, as they cannot vote unless they're registered, and only citizens can register to vote. It's not the vast liberal conspiracy you think it is. For the voter id laws, it's more of a Republican party conspiracy if you insist on putting a label on it. I have no doubt if most blacks and Hispanics registered as Republicans, the Democrats would do something equally sleazy to suppress their votes. That's 21st century American politics. But what I think kills our integrity is that we keep re-electing the same bums who keep doing stupid things like that. We need term limits.

Its amazing how enough democrats came out to vote in obama, twice, without any ID issues. But now, we need to loosen the laws due to "voter suppression".

Ps: i dont blindly eat whats being fed to me by repubs. I dislike both parties. I happen to come from a butthole country that to closely resembles the failed political goals of democrats: government dependency & pandering to a base most likely to need/want more government intervention into basic needs.

ImStricken06 wrote:I lived in nyc- West 6th & ave p in bay ridge, bk. I have family there. Heck i have 70yr old family off the boat, and all have legal state issued ID's.
My GF's sister lives in bk, and never owned a car - but has a license just for ID reasons.
You're right, not all nyc residents own cars- BUT almost all own a city/state issued legal ID that states: "ID ONLY". Nj does the same thing. People own these to get into bars, to get an JOB, apartment, to qualify for social programs, etc.
So Dems supposedly worrying about a tiny select few who cant get their life together to get a state ID is nothing more than BS; its the illegal vote you guys want. Dems should be honest- they'd get respect.

Seriously, how do non-speaking illegals get a state issued id, yet american citizens cant get that same id to vote? Why should we Kill the integrity Of our voting system to "help" those who cant even get an id

lmao @ lot of ur comments.. u really need to do some searching on some of the things u say before u comment because it just makes you look bad (being nice here).

ImStricken06 wrote:Ps: i dont blindly eat whats being fed to me by repubs. I dislike both parties. I happen to come from a butthole country that to closely resembles the failed political goals of democrats: government dependency & pandering to a base most likely to need/want more government intervention into basic needs.

Again some of your comments say the opposite.

mixeds14 wrote: lmao @ lot of ur comments.. u really need to do some searching on some of the things u say before u comment because it just makes you look bad (being nice here).

feel free to to jump in. criticizing someone without offering any alternative views is a baseless ad hominem post.

mixeds14 wrote:

ImStricken06 wrote:Ps: i dont blindly eat whats being fed to me by repubs. I dislike both parties. I happen to come from a butthole country that to closely resembles the failed political goals of democrats: government dependency & pandering to a base most likely to need/want more government intervention into basic needs.

Again some of your comments say the opposite.

you've read a posts of mine, and through your own preconceived notions on Conservatives, cant believe i dislike both parties.
im pro abortion.
im pro making companies & super wealthy pay a 'fair share' of taxes, etc. why should a $12/hr employee pay more taxes than the CEO?
im pro-personal pot use. (even thought i hate intoxicants)
BUT im not for destroying a nation via open boarders, IDless voting, sanctuary cities, delete our culture & rich history, bend over backwards to outsiders, stomping on the American flag, etc; because somehow, within the democrat party; its become popular in the last 10 years to be embarrassed to be "American".

ImStricken06 wrote:

mixeds14 wrote: lmao @ lot of ur comments.. u really need to do some searching on some of the things u say before u comment because it just makes you look bad (being nice here).

feel free to to jump in. criticizing someone without offering any alternative views is a baseless ad hominem post.

Lol, Don't have to, just go back and read some of your comments and what others try to say..
I like this one though..
/quote:
I dont blindly eat whats being fed to me by repubs./quote .

double..

you've read a posts of mine, and through your own preconceived notions on Conservatives, cant believe i dislike both parties.
im pro abortion.
im pro making companies & super wealthy pay a 'fair share' of taxes, etc. why should a $12/hr employee pay more taxes than the CEO?
im pro-personal pot use. (even thought i hate intoxicants)
BUT im not for destroying a nation via open boarders, IDless voting, sanctuary cities, delete our culture & rich history, bend over backwards to outsiders, stomping on the American flag, etc; because somehow, within the democrat party; its become popular in the last 10 years to be embarrassed to be "American".

no I have read all post on all pages and there a lot of valid points including some of your own, but Again, ur putting blame on a single party when BOTH parties have a fair share of guilt

mixeds14 wrote:no I have read all post on all pages and there a lot of valid points including some of your own, but Again, ur putting blame on a single party when BOTH parties have a fair share of guilt

when it comes to the voter topic, yes i dont see the democrats side of it. but otherwise, i blame both parties as to why this country's going down.
remember, im a conservative; not a republican. i come from a country (Russia) where government destroyed life. they enacted communism & socialism. Russians learned really quickly that a government big enough to give you everything you want or need, is big enough to take it all away too. so in my book: the less of these rat bastards (both republicans & democrats) the better. the less law makers, politicians, etc = the easier & freer our lives will be. the part where i start to distance myself from democrat/liberals/progressive views is where they have this insatiable desire share this country with anyone who walks in, anyone who doesnt want to work & contribute, anyone who refuses to accept the American language/culture/life-styles, anyone who demands America cater to them, etc.

im sorry man, i dont agree with Democrats pandering to the illegals by promising virtual amnesty, and then creating laws that will help an illegal (if he/she chooses to) to vote via not requiring legal ID's. i work to darn hard to support career-welfare recipients who refuse to work, and the democrat party protects the abuse. i work to darn hard to support walking paychecks (children created just to qualify for social benefits). i work to darn hard to have my money go towards bail-outs of millionaires who squandered money they were trusted with. i work to darn hard to have to pay for college loans i didnt sign up for. i work to darn hard to be forced to buy a product (obamacare) when maybe im deciding to opt out for a year on medical coverage (if the people wanted it that bad; you wouldnt have to force them to buy it!). i work to darn hard to be told that social security wont be there when i retire. i work to darn hard to just give away money to the children of illegals in the form of social benefits(only the children qualify). i work to darn hard to be told i owe those who make less, some of my paycheck because "its only fair". im to nice of a person to be told that im a racist, if i disagree with the black lives matter, or obama, or if im a conservative. its not fair if im passed up on a job offer, just because im white (affirmative action, etc). Its not right that New Jersey State Police just had a whistle blower state trooper come out and state that they were forced to 'over-look' felonies, criminal background, gang-ties, etc on black applicants while white guys get the shaft for a JV simple charge because they needed to boost the black rank. :end rant lol

ImStricken06 wrote:

mixeds14 wrote:no I have read all post on all pages and there a lot of valid points including some of your own, but Again, ur putting blame on a single party when BOTH parties have a fair share of guilt

when it comes to the voter topic, yes i dont see the democrats side of it. but otherwise, i blame both parties as to why this country's going down.
remember, im a conservative; not a republican. i come from a country (Russia) where government destroyed life. they enacted communism & socialism. Russians learned really quickly that a government big enough to give you everything you want or need, is big enough to take it all away too. so in my book: the less of these rat bastards (both republicans & democrats) the better. the less law makers, politicians, etc = the easier & freer our lives will be. the part where i start to distance myself from democrat/liberals/progressive views is where they have this insatiable desire share this country with anyone who walks in, anyone who doesnt want to work & contribute, anyone who refuses to accept the American language/culture/life-styles, anyone who demands America cater to them, etc.

im sorry man, i dont agree with Democrats pandering to the illegals by promising virtual amnesty, and then creating laws that will help an illegal (if he/she chooses to) to vote via not requiring legal ID's. i work to darn hard to support career-welfare recipients who refuse to work, and the democrat party protects the abuse. i work to darn hard to support walking paychecks (children created just to qualify for social benefits). i work to darn hard to have my money go towards bail-outs of millionaires who squandered money they were trusted with. i work to darn hard to have to pay for college loans i didnt sign up for. i work to darn hard to be forced to buy a product (obamacare) when maybe im deciding to opt out for a year on medical coverage (if the people wanted it that bad; you wouldnt have to force them to buy it!). i work to darn hard to be told that social security wont be there when i retire. i work to darn hard to just give away money to the children of illegals in the form of social benefits(only the children qualify). i work to darn hard to be told i owe those who make less, some of my paycheck because "its only fair". im to nice of a person to be told that im a racist, if i disagree with the black lives matter, or obama, or if im a conservative. its not fair if im passed up on a job offer, just because im white (affirmative action, etc). Its not right that New Jersey State Police just had a whistle blower state trooper come out and state that they were forced to 'over-look' felonies, criminal background, gang-ties, etc on black applicants while white guys get the shaft for a JV simple charge because they needed to boost the black rank. :end rant lol

I understand were u coming from, but one thing u don't understand is that an illegal cannot and will not vote, they will not take that risk and the politicians know this. the law is mostly towads its own citizens. hell in nc now days u cant even get cable without being a legal resident, u being from another country should have an idea on this stuff.

now this comment: insatiable desire share this country with anyone who walks in, anyone who doesnt want to work & contribute, anyone who refuses to accept the American language/culture/life-styles, anyone who demands America cater to them, etc.

you need to look around next time ur out and about, most kids don't even speak other languages other than english much less act like their culture is from another country.
ur comment and rant against illegals is understanding but your mostly in the wrong.. for you to say that they create children for social benefits just shows you how much you believe in what the right feeds you. most people that have children or even if they don't, pay taxes on every single check, shouldn't that help take care of their kids just like everyone elses. now I know there also a lot that don't but theres also a lot of us born citizens that don't pay their share, shouldn't they do something about it also? did u know that an illegal gets an ss(itin#) from the irs to do their taxes at the end of the year on the money they worked, if they get money back or have to pay back were is that money goin or coming from.. politicians need to stop blaming most of this stuff on others when they are the ones doin the spending.. for once I wish they would deport the illegals and maybe then will see were all this money is goin or who else they blame for their mistakes. all In all politicians are to blame on both parties.

listen my parents are from mexico and being here since the Ronald regan days so I know this and say that ur mostly in the wrong b/c I know quite a few people in that position(who doesn't). I don't know how things are were your from about getting a work visa or any visa for that matter to come to the US, but atleast in the south is not as easy as people think it could be or else you would not have illegals from the south in the us, I give u an example, it took my grandma who at the time was 84 years young, 16 fricking months to get a 3 month tourist visa so she could come here and spend some time with the family before my cousins were shipped off back to finish their tour in Afghanistan. 16 months(she got it while they were still deploy), not to mention that we visit her every two years but for obvious reasons she had to come here this time. but people have to do what they have to do to have a better life for themselves even if sometimes that leads you to enter another country illegally. but u have to understand, it being like that since anyone can remember, politicians has had the sources to change that and don't matter which party it is, THEY don't.

now Im not trying to angue or change ur mind because everyone is entitled to their own opinion but sometimes is good to look at all sides of the issues and them go from there..

now in the black lives matter, ect, I cant argue with u cause we feel the same way about it but that's for another time.

ImStricken06 wrote:Its amazing how enough democrats came out to vote in obama, twice, without any ID issues. But now, we need to loosen the laws due to "voter suppression".

No, not that amazing considering the RNC candidates Obama faced. Obama's margin of victory in those two elections was by more than the 5% of Democrat votes the RNC hoped to suppress with the new voter id laws. These suppression tricks could have played a factor had the vote counts been closer as they were, say, in the Bush-Gore election. But the answer here is not to loosen any existing laws. The answer is simply not to implement any NEW voter id laws at all. And since there were no voter id problems in the last two presidential elections, exactly what kinda problems are these new voter id laws supposed to fix?

mixeds14 wrote: one thing u don't understand is that an illegal cannot and will not vote

you're wrong. many heavily-controlled democrat areas are specifically pandering to illegals. not only through rhetoric and promises, but also through making it easier for them to vote. if our own nation can have "sanctuary-cities" - dont tell me, that voting is some how off the table.

A California state bill was just signed in to law by Gov. Jerry Brown, that will register and allow illegal aliens to vote in US Elections. The New Motor Voter Act (A.B.1461) that is now law in California, automatically registers residents of California to vote at the DMV.

they will not take that risk and the politicians know this.

you cant be that naive, to think that illegals are these law-abiding residents who fear the law. they certainly didnt fear the law, when they crossed that boarder or overstayed their visa. illegals create a decent portion of the crime in this country. dont act like they are hiding in fear.
Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants. There are approximately 2.1 million legal or illegal immigrants with criminal convictions living free or behind bars in the U.S., according to ICE's Secure Communities office. Each year, about 900,000 legal and illegal immigrants are arrested, and 700,000 are released from jail, prison, or probation. ICE estimates that there are more than 1.2 million criminal aliens at large in the U.S. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs.

the answer here is not to loosen any existing laws. The answer is simply not to implement any NEW voter id laws at all.

i understand the democrats dont want to loosen any laws. and thats the point, as the current situation is to lose to maintain the integrity of the voting system. the current situation is allowing, or at the very least creates an opportunity for illegals to vote.
we must understand that the USA is in a brand new situation that we have never faced before; so its time we adjust the rules to vote to keep undocumented residents from voting. We have millions of residents (undocumented aliens) that want to have their voices heard. they want it heard in a way that will allow their wives, children, and relatives to cross over. they want their voices heard so they can stop 'hiding'.

if we have never been down this road before, then we must adjust. its that simple.

ImStricken06 wrote:[i understand the democrats dont want to loosen any laws. and thats the point, as the current situation is to lose to maintain the integrity of the voting system. the current situation is allowing, or at the very least creates an opportunity for illegals to vote.
we must understand that the USA is in a brand new situation that we have never faced before; so its time we adjust the rules to vote to keep undocumented residents from voting. We have millions of residents (undocumented aliens) that want to have their voices heard. they want it heard in a way that will allow their wives, children, and relatives to cross over. they want their voices heard so they can stop 'hiding'.

if we have never been down this road before, then we must adjust. its that simple.

Oi, I think you've veered off on a tangent. Here's the deal in a nutshell: The topic is the new voter id laws being proposed, which has NOTHING to do with illegal aliens or their path to citizenship or their right to vote. All these laws are supposed to do is require ALREADY REGISTERED VOTERS to prove who they are when they show up to vote, by showing some sort of id. That by itself is not a big deal, but the RNC is proposing very specifically as to what type of ID is acceptable, hoping to make it enough of a pain in the arse for anyone that doesn't already have that type of id to make them question whether voting is worth the extra hassle. Make And it's no coincidence that most of the REGISTERED VOTERS that don't have these id's are registered Democrats. We're not talking illegal aliens here. Now, since there have been no significant problems of voter id fraud in the past especially during presidential elections, that means the integrity of the voting system is fine, and these new voter id rules are completely unnecessary. "It's that simple."

FWIW, I don't have any problem with your positions about undocumented aliens, and Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) but that has nothing to do with the voter id laws. I recommend you watch that video link I attached earlier. It explains it well and will make you laugh.

ImStricken06 wrote:

mixeds14 wrote: one thing u don't understand is that an illegal cannot and will not vote

you're wrong. many heavily-controlled democrat areas are specifically pandering to illegals. not only through rhetoric and promises, but also through making it easier for them to vote. if our own nation can have "sanctuary-cities" - dont tell me, that voting is some how off the table.

A California state bill was just signed in to law by Gov. Jerry Brown, that will register and allow illegal aliens to vote in US Elections. The New Motor Voter Act (A.B.1461) that is now law in California, automatically registers residents of California to vote at the DMV.

have u even read the bill? I don't see were it says that an illegal can legally vote but maybe I missed it. but just cause ur automatically register doesn't mean that ur eligible to vote.. that's just one thing they don't ask u when u renew or get a license by the dmv officer because ur automatically register. u know the do ask u every time ur renew and they see that ur not register..
from their site..

AB 1461, Gonzalez. Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

Existing law, the federal National Voter Registration Act of 1993, requires a state to, among other things, establish procedures to register a person to vote by application made simultaneously with an application for a new or renewal of a motor vehicle driver’s license. The federal act requires the motor vehicle driver’s license application to serve as an application for voter registration with respect to an election for federal office, unless the applicant fails to sign the application, and requires the application to be considered as updating the applicant’s previous voter registration, if any. The federal act defines “motor vehicle driver’s license” to include any personal identification document issued by a state motor vehicle authority.

Under existing state law, a person may not be registered to vote except by affidavit of registration. Existing law requires a properly executed affidavit of registration to be deemed effective upon receipt of the affidavit by the county elections official if the affidavit is submitted to the Department of Motor Vehicles on or before the 15th day before the election. Existing state law requires the Department of Motor Vehicles and the Secretary of State to develop a process and the infrastructure to allow a person who is qualified to register to vote in the state to register to vote online.

Existing law requires the Department of Motor Vehicles to issue driver’s licenses and state identification cards to applicants who meet specified criteria and provide the department with the required information. Existing law generally requires an applicant for an original driver’s license or state identification card to submit satisfactory proof to the department that the applicant’s presence in the United States is authorized under federal law.

This bill would require the Secretary of State and the Department of Motor Vehicles to establish the California New Motor Voter Program for the purpose of increasing opportunities for voter registration by any person who is qualified to be a voter.

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CHAPTER 4.5. California New Motor Voter Program

2260. This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the California New Motor Voter Program.

2261. The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:

(a) Voter registration is one of the biggest barriers to participation in our democracy.

(b) In 1993, Congress enacted the federal National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (52 U.S.C. Sec. 20501 et seq.), commonly known as the “Motor Voter Law,” with findings recognizing that the right of citizens to vote is a fundamental right; it is the duty of federal, state, and local governments to promote the exercise of the right to vote; and the primary purpose of the act is to increase the number of eligible citizens who register to vote.