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By Duke I just mean the badonkadonk controller.


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where can i sell it to get 100+ bucks??i need money and wont mind sellin the two i gotthe only 2 gaming stores round me is Gamestop and EBgames

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Weeeellll. It is not quite 100 bucks anymore. Awhiles back there was a big craze but the S killed it. You can still pull about 30 bucks a piece for them on ebay.

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My claim to fame, every major console of the last generation and my trusty 5 year old TV. Nuthin' special.
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^ Nice setup Dreamcast FTW

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Bump, 2 threads of the same subject.

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redtop91 wrote:
They've been here for about a week now...

Dude you realize that you can sell that "Duke" controller for upwards of 100 bucks?!?!?!?!
would the Duke be the older style big controllers?

because I've got 4 of them....I never use.

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Yessir. There was a big craze but it's died down slightly. The duke is the choice controller of pro gamers on the original Xbox. Since the 360's launch though, the demand for original Xbox controllers has been severly damaged. You can still pull 20-30 a piece though.

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eh...not really worth me selling.

I felt the smaller one was too small. my big hands refused to have the S's so I went around and scrounged for those.

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Can anyone post some updates...I need some ideas on my setup...which sucks!

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I'll finally be picking up an HDTV this weekend, so I'll post pics of my setup post upgrade.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:I'll finally be picking up an HDTV this weekend, so I'll post pics of my setup post upgrade.
Cool, I'm so on the verge of buying one too but I just can't seem to make a decision on what size screen!

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I'm supremely irritated at how few REAL 1080p HDTVs there are out there. Everything's effing 720p unless you're talking 40'' or larger.

I'm much more concerned with resolution than screen size. I'd rather have a 26'' 1080p tv than a 32'' 720p tv...especially since the resolution disparity only gets more noticable as size increases.

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I know nothing about these HDTV's...so 1080 is what I should be aiming for yes? I was looking at some 32's and they were all 720.

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Honestly, you're probably fine with 720p. Depends on what you're using the TV for, and what size screen you're going with. I'd say if you're going 36'' or bigger, 1080p is worth at least looking into. BUT if your input sources don't provide a 1080p signal it's not really necessary.

Just don't confuse 1080i and 1080p. Visually, and technically, 1080p is lower quality than 720p. However, 1080p is much, much higher resolution (more than double as far as total pixel count). 720p is 1280x720 or higher (often 1366x768, actually) and 1080i/p are 1920x1080 or higher. But "p" means progressive scan, where "i" is interlaced. Progressive scan "draws" every pixel each frame. Interlace draws alternating sets of every-other-line every frame, so each frame only gets half that 1080 vertical resolution...and the interlacing creates more image "tearing" with things like videogames and sports with lots of fast-moving images. 720p provides a cleaner picture than 1080i simply because it's progressive scan and not interlaced.

Honestly, I'm still stuck on which way to go. I grew up playing PC games so I'm a resolution whore (both my monitors are higher res than 720p...but at a PC you're sitting right in front of the monitor, not halfway across the room). But the Xbox 360 (main reason I'm buying the HDTV) only outputs 720p natively. It upscales to 1080p if you want, but the source image is still 720p. And the Wii (other reason for getting the TV) only outputs 480p (considered "EDTV"...it's normal TV resolution but widescreen and progressive scan). My DVD player upscales to HD but I'm not sure to what resolution.

Unless you have a big TV (say 40'' or bigger) I doubt most people would notice the difference. But I worry that I will. Which is why I'm still trying to decide between a small 1080p or bigger 720p TV. I'm also going to be using the TV as a monitor for my old PC, which will become a media PC, so low-res will be irritating.

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Thanks for the insight, that helps me with my decision.

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Oh, the thing I forgot:Contrast ratio. Higher contrast ratio affects how black black really is. LCDs, being backlit, are notorious for their washed out greyish blacks. Higher contrast ratios (5000:1 is on the super-awesome end) allow for much closer to true black. Lower contrast ratios (1000:1 is on the entry-level end) have more washed out blacks. Newer LCDs have dynamic contrast ratios that can allow for deeper blacks when the whole image is dark, but will still have washed out blacks if the image is a combination of bright and dark.

I absolutely hate my Acer PC monitor's crappy 700:1 contrast ratio, where there's no black to be found unless you turn the monitor off. Fortunately, I haven't ever seen a TV with such a poor contrast ratio. Even cheap ones now tend to be in the 1500:1 range.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:Honestly, you're probably fine with 720p. Depends on what you're using the TV for, and what size screen you're going with. I'd say if you're going 36'' or bigger, 1080p is worth at least looking into. BUT if your input sources don't provide a 1080p signal it's not really necessary.

Just don't confuse 1080i and 1080p. Visually, and technically, 1080i is lower quality than 720p. However, 1080p is much, much higher resolution (more than double as far as total pixel count). 720p is 1280x720 or higher (often 1366x768, actually) and 1080i/p are 1920x1080 or higher. But "p" means progressive scan, where "i" is interlaced. Progressive scan "draws" every pixel each frame. Interlace draws alternating sets of every-other-line every frame, so each frame only gets half that 1080 vertical resolution...and the interlacing creates more image "tearing" with things like videogames and sports with lots of fast-moving images. 720p provides a cleaner picture than 1080i simply because it's progressive scan and not interlaced.
I think you need to edit a little bit....1080p > 720p...you just said that 1080p is visually and technically lower than 720p. At least I've always learned that higher res > lower res....

A big thing to look for in a TV if you're doing a lot of fast gaming or sports watching is the refresh rate - there are a lot of TVs now with 120Hz refresh rates....that's pretty nice - you'll get a good smooth picture out of that.

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Whoops, I meant 1080i.

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Don't buy a TV yet. they are coming out with more LED backlight LCD TVs, this means deeper blacks.

I only have one thing to say, if you can afford 1080p go for it. Even if you only have a 32 inch TV, you can still see the difference between a 720p and a 1080p set. So if you can afford it, go 1080p FTW!!!

I have been upgrading my TVs every 3 years. I currently have a 3LCD projection TV that I am anxiuosly waiting to replace. I am waiting on the new LED LCD backlight TVs to come down on price.

TV checklist:1080p or 720pContrast RatioPixel response time (anything less than 5ms is great)HDMI connectionsLED backlight?

resource:http://www.cnet.com.au/best-lc...0.htm

in my situation I am considering a 24inch ultra HD monitor. (1920x1200)http://accessories.us.dell.com...-6272

well see. I am still leaning towards a 40inch set myself.....so its 40inch vs 24inch for me = probably both

...to keep the spirit of this thread alive, i will post pics of my setup when I get home today

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Sony 42 inch Halo Xbox360HD DVD playerLogitech THX certified speaker system

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bmike818 wrote:Don't buy a TV yet. they are coming out with more LED backlight LCD TVs, this means deeper blacks.

I only have one thing to say, if you can afford 1080p go for it. Even if you only have a 32 inch TV, you can still see the difference between a 720p and a 1080p set. So if you can afford it, go 1080p FTW!!!
The thing is, as much as I agree with those points, I have to balance the reality of things. I am not looking to spend much on this TV (I don't need it, it's just a nice luxury). $500 is my absolute limit. So LED TVs are out and 1080p TVs over 32 inches are out unless they're on sale for the most part.But the biggest factor is that I have no input sources that will provide more than 720p without upscaling. My DVD player upscales to 1080p, but it's just a DVD player, not bluray. I don't plan to buy a bluray player any time soon. The TV will be used for gaming almost exclusively, and the 360 and Wii don't output 1080p, so it's not needed. With that in mind, I'd rather have a 40'' 720p TV. If the 360 output 1080p, though, it would be a whole different story, and I'd be looking for a 22-26" 1080p screen instead.

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I thought with HDMI the 360 does 1080p natively with the updates that have come out...I know i've seen several games indicate 1080p on the back...

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As I understand it, the box itself is capable of 1080p (as long as you have an HDMI cable) but only a handful of games actually run at 1080p. Most run at 720p and the box upscales that to 1080p if you have that selected as your resolution. Right now I'm running at 1440x900 through VGA on a 19'' PC monitor, FWIW, and it's very acceptable. So stepping down to 720p shouldn't be too visually noticable (especially considering I'll be widening the aspect ratio as well, which means really only losing height) and I know it's "adequate."

More and more articles I'm reading say it's not worth bothering with 1080p for the 360. Most games are designed to look clear at 720p so you aren't missing out on any critical clarity (as with, say, Dead Rising's unreadable text on an SDTV or EDTV). So it seems unnecessary to spend extra cash for 1080p when the benefits are random at best.

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O I completely agree...benefits of 1080p aren't even visible on sets smaller thatn 42" from a normal viewing distance. I have a 720P 32" LCD that I use right now for my 360 (hooked to HDMI) that simply looks stunning...everything looks right to me.

Although my brother's 46" 1080p Aquous looks amazing too...

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marlin29311 wrote:Although my brother's 46" 1080p Aquous looks amazing too...
Haha. I just can't justify spending more than maybe $500 on a TV. There are so many other more worthy causes that money could go to. Like the Q.

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I know what you mean, I have been neglecting the Z. Since you don't mind the 720p sets you should find one at your price range. I suggest making sure you get a set with a great response time as to avoid ghosting in your fast moving movies scenes and video games. But then again you probably knew that already.


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Honestly, I'm not too anal about refresh rates. My PC monitor has an 8ms refresh rate and it's absolutely fine for gaming. Never any blurring at all, even in the craziest of circumstances.

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I ended up deciding I didn't want to spend much and bought a super-cheap 32'' TV. It's still pretty decent, picture-wise. Blacks are a lot deeper than on my PC monitor. It's slow to change channels, though (something most digital tuners have in common in my experience) and has some goofy packaging choices (speakers face DOWN and are BEHIND the "frame" of the screen...but I'll be getting a cheap 3.1 setup so that doesn't matter much).

Anyway here it is:32'' Dynex DX-L321-10AXboxXbox 360GamecubeWiiMedia/Gaming PC (wireless keyboard and mouse coming soon)Upscaling Phillips DVD player outputting 720p

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this is the keyboard I almost bought when I was thinking of a media center PC

http://www.logitech.com/index....US,EN

Is that TV wall mountable?


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