S13 bolt in tension arm brace

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Postby datsun2401972 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:52 pm

If your that concerned about "bolt on" being less rigid than the welded nismo brace, just grind off the coating along the edge of the blocks and pay a muffler shop to put a couple of 1 inch welds down either side of those blocks at the block/Tension rod mount interface.

You could do the same for the crossbar mounting plate on the inner sides of the tension rod mount. Hell you could take the bolts out after that....

Still cheaper than the nismo brace.

My only concern is the weight difference between the nismo brace and stock mounts with this brace kit installed. And is that difference worth the extra 60 to 80 bucks if the nismo brace is lighter?


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Postby Fenvy » Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:59 pm

Your opinions of it being stiffer has no solid evident behind it. If you at least measure the diameter between the two than you can probably begin to say something. Right now. You're conveying a biased opinion which is why I said it was an irresponsible claim.

I can go on this all day but it's not fair to Johnny Fratz so I'll stop here. I won't be reading your response because I will be lured to respond.

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Postby mestizo » Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:57 pm

datsun2401972 wrote:If your that concerned about "bolt on" being less rigid than the welded nismo brace, just grind off the coating along the edge of the blocks and pay a muffler shop to put a couple of 1 inch welds down either side of those blocks at the block/Tension rod mount interface.
Exactly! Just weld it and your good. As for the weight of the bolt on version I can get some specs for you on Jon's brace as well as the Nismo since Jon has a Nismo brace.
Loveless wrote:Your opinions of it being stiffer has no solid evident behind it. If you at least measure the diameter between the two than you can probably begin to say something. Right now. You're conveying a biased opinion which is why I said it was an irresponsible claim.

I can go on this all day but it's not fair to Johnny Fratz so I'll stop here. I won't be reading your response because I will be lured to respond.
Ok Im not trying to argue, but you seemed to start things off on a bad note with me.

If you want to go tit for tat we can. Your claims of Jon's brace not being more solid or "stiffer" are also "irresponsible" as you put it. That is if we go by your "biased" opinion. Considering you have no factual evidence of the Nismo bar being sitffer or more rigid than Jon's.

I am glad you can go all day like this... however I cannot. I was stating my opinion, which to me is a fact. Jon does great work and his brace's are top quality. I am here to vouch for him and not argue about which one is better as it is a moot point. Whatever is best for you is what you should buy.

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Re: (mestizo)

Postby Jonnie Fraz » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:12 pm

You guys need not worry about Mestizo's abillity to test parts. He is one of my factory test pilots, and is a very key member of the Stealth custom fab Team. He has been involved in the design of all our parts, yes all. We are testing several other braces for S13, S14, and AE86's. He has been involved in motorsports for longer than some members have been alive. If he states his opinion I take it as fact. I do not knock the Nismo brace, it is a great product! It is a little pricey, but comes with new brackets. Shipping is way steep also. Like others have stated The Stealth brace has big bang for little bucks, and that was what I was after.

Thanks Jonnie

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Postby AZhitman » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:59 pm

If anyone's worried about the weight difference, I can tell you this:

Even if it DID matter, which it doesn't, your paint weighs more than either one of them.

Lots of people CLAIM to care about weight reduction, but they're the same people with heavy wheels, audio components, extra wiring, electric windows (or windows at all), sunroof, full interior.

Regardless, even if it is 10 lbs heavier (which it isn't, it's actually within a pound), it's still below the centerline of the axles, which means it's fairly irrelevant.

Guys, remember to look at this for what it is: An inexpensive fix for a terribly weak part of your suspension.

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Postby datsun2401972 » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:03 pm

AZhitman wrote:Regardless, even if it is 10 lbs heavier (which it isn't, it's actually within a pound), it's still below the centerline of the axles, which means it's fairly irrelevant.

Guys, remember to look at this for what it is: An inexpensive fix for a terribly weak part of your suspension.
Hell, if it's within a pound of the nismo brace I'd say it's an inexpensive fix for a terribly weak part of your suspension that meets or exceeds my expectations...

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Postby AZhitman » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:05 pm

^ LOL yep.

And by weak, I mean you can flex the factory tension arms BY HAND.

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Postby MagikDragon » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:09 pm

AZhitman wrote:Lots of people CLAIM to care about weight reduction, but they're the same people with heavy wheels, audio components, extra wiring, electric windows (or windows at all), sunroof, full interior.
HAHA Greg, I know that feeling all too well, This looks like a quality part and it is deffinatly something I will be picking up for my street car, when I'm not pissing away money on the race car...

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Postby Dano » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:32 pm

Send me an S14 piece when they're done and i'll be happy to write up a full review on it!

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Re: (Dano)

Postby Jonnie Fraz » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:10 pm

Dano wrote:Send me an S14 piece when they're done and i'll be happy to write up a full review on it!

-Dan
Dan,

I would love to...The problem is that the S14 brace is a PITA to install. The right way to do it would be to take off the existing brackets and drill one hole in each for the bolt on.Here is a pic of the prototype bolted into my jig.The thing is crazy stiff, but even a little more work to install than the Nismo.

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Postby Dano » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:58 pm

Hmm, is the s14 setup really that much different than the s13?

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Postby Jonnie Fraz » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:01 am

Yep...The S14 does not have holes on the inside of the TC bracket, so they need to be drilled. Some model years do not have the holes period. If you realy want to do it let me know.

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Postby Dano » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:15 pm

Sorry, I was gone until last night so hadn't viewed your post. My '95 has the holes on one side and that setup uses the pre-existing t/c rod bushing bolt, so i'd only have to drill one hole in each side correct? That's nothing if that's the case, I know it's at an akward angle, but i'd rather give it hell for the sake of doing it on car.

I have a question though, what is that gold bracket for... power steering bracket or something ? Would you still be utilizing an anti-crush spacer in that area?

-Dan

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Re: (Dano)

Postby Jonnie Fraz » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:33 pm

Yes the gold bracket is power steering bracket. Yes I would be sending the anti-crush spacers. If you are going to do it on the car I realy recomend dropping the sway bar to get to the TC nut to torque it correctly.

Thanks for the intrestJonnie

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Postby Dano » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:46 pm

That would work nicely since i'm planning on replacing the swaybar endlink bushings with poly here soon too. Lemme know when you have one complete and ready to test out.

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Postby homeslicej2 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:21 am

This is great! I'm loving this fabricator's market so far. I'm going to go with your product instead of the NISMO one when budgeting allows. Looks great btw.

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Postby EW » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:24 am

Looking forward to pricing on the S14 brace and development of S14 fender braces.

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Postby jgauspohl » Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:19 pm

looks like you have the attention of another s14 owner...should you have an s14 one...I have cash ready...if not I'm buying a nismo and powdercoating my subframe to match before I put in my MMR subframe bushings (which are the **** btw)...I've got stances on the ride. If you have one in GOLD maybe?

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Postby Dano » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:29 am

jgauspohl wrote:looks like you have the attention of another s14 owner...should you have an s14 one...I have cash ready...if not I'm buying a nismo and powdercoating my subframe to match before I put in my MMR subframe bushings (which are the **** btw)...I've got stances on the ride. If you have one in GOLD maybe?
He's working on an S14 piece already, have some patience! I'm sure you could get it in raw/unpainted so when you get it you can paint/ powdercoat whatever the heck you want on it

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Postby jgauspohl » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:49 am

haha jk...well it seems I won't be driving the car for awhile anyway...I converted the rear of my car to z32 setup...and stance is out of the adapters which I paid for (because they were "supposedly" in stock)...but will be a couple weeks till they arrive. Definitely hit me up though whenever.

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Re: S13 bolt in tension arm brace (Jonnie Fraz)

Postby 1unar3clipse » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:43 am

Wow that setup looks nice, $90 for one of these kits?When you start producing them for sales count me in.

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Re: S13 bolt in tension arm brace (Jonnie Fraz)

Postby SAINTJ » Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:00 pm

[QUOTE=Can you do one for a 94 [email protected] code:27524I would love to have one for my Q...thanks[/QUOTE]

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Re: S13 bolt in tension arm brace (SAINTJ)

Postby mestizo » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:13 pm

LOL it's funny you ask cuz Jon may be prototyping a Q45 brace this weekend.

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Postby AZhitman » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:29 pm

I found an awesome additional use for mine: It now serves as the front mounting point for my skid plate.

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Postby homeslicej2 » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:37 am

AZhitman wrote:I found an awesome additional use for mine: It now serves as the front mounting point for my skid plate.
Pics of said skid plate attached and price for skid plate? Btw I got my NICOclub cards to pass out/place on windshields

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Postby AZhitman » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:20 pm

Cost: $2 scrap steel.

Pics: Maybe - Nothing pretty, just a rectangular plate attached to the subframe and curving up over the tension arm brace...

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Postby homeslicej2 » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:15 am

Pics, pics, pics, pics . Sounds like a good deal for a skid plate considering what some people/companies want.

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Postby turbo2nr » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:18 pm

+2 i will deffanitly pick one up... i was in the market to buy one soon, if its available by winter i will deffinatly pick one up.

thanks

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Postby grmreapr » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:37 pm

hm might have to go with this for my s13 hopefully monday

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Postby eazye2000 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:59 pm

Dang, now I see this when it's too late! Story of my life...

I welded plates onto the bottom of those brackets trying to stiffen them up. I'll have to go look to see if I could slip the Anti-Crush brackets in there.

...it's a sad day for me


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