Oil and Gas Question

[GSlone12]

Hey all,

I have a 2023 Rogue Platinum with the 1.5 Turbo. I've been changing my own oil and using a WIX oil filter. And while at the dealer the other day a service guy told me changing my own oil and not using the Nissan OEM filter can and will give Nissan a good reason not to honor any warranty issues for engine failure. What say you?

Also, I have always used an aftermarket fuel additive in my vehicles periodically for a very long time as a way to hopefully prevent injector issues, but I noticed in the Rogue owner's manual it says don't. What say you on that topic as well?


Aftermarket fuel additives
NISSAN does not recommend the use of
any aftermarket fuel additives (for example,
fuel injector cleaner, octane booster,
intake valve deposit removers, etc.) which
are sold commercially. Many of these
additives intended for gum, varnish or
deposit removal may contain active solvent
or similar ingredients that can be
harmful to the fuel system and engine.

[VStar650CL]

I have a 2023 Rogue Platinum with the 1.5 Turbo. I've been changing my own oil and using a WIX oil filter. And while at the dealer the other day a service guy told me changing my own oil and not using the Nissan OEM filter can and will give Nissan a good reason not to honor any warranty issues for engine failure. What say you?

Also, I have always used an aftermarket fuel additive in my vehicles periodically for a very long time as a way to hopefully prevent injector issues, but I noticed in the Rogue owner's manual it says don't. What say you on that topic as well?


Aftermarket fuel additives
NISSAN does not recommend the use of
any aftermarket fuel additives (for example,
fuel injector cleaner, octane booster,
intake valve deposit removers, etc.) which
are sold commercially. Many of these
additives intended for gum, varnish or
deposit removal may contain active solvent
or similar ingredients that can be
harmful to the fuel system and engine.

Warranty is a matter of how things look and what you can prove. Using a non-Nissan filter sticks out like a sore thumb saying "bite me," whether it's equivalent to a Nissan filter or not. You're giving them the invitation. Vis the oil, who cares, that's much harder to prove. Just have receipts and mileages.

You shouldn't have any need for serious gum cutters on a new vehicle, but some SeaFoam or Techron in the tank is fine as long as you don't get carried away. Again, hard to prove and therefore warranty-harmless. Simply avoid sore thumbs.

[D1dad]

He’s full of #h”t! There is absolutely no language in the Nissan owners manual that states you have to use a an Oem filter, none! In fact there’s a law against such BS! Plus Nissans gohner filters suck! I’ve had 3 on my rogue that had the adbv slide down the collar thus causing dry starts and startup rattle. In order for Nissans to require an Oem filter, they’d have to provide them for free. Use a reputable filer that cross references with an Oem and save your receipts. I’d actually report whoever told you that to Nissans HQ for telling such a lie. I’ve had an in depth conversation with the tech who’s worked on my car about the adbv and he’s aware, and won’t use them on his own titan because of it.

[VStar650CL]

Nobody said there's a rule about using Nissan filters. It's a matter of appearance and not law if you're unlucky enough to have a warranty engine failure. Using obviously non-OEM parts automatically risks creating excuses for rejection of a claim. Personally, I'd rather skip needing to hire a lawyer because I shifted the burden of proof from them to me.

[GSlone12]

I agree with not giving them a reason if at all possible. And with oil filters 10 people will have ten opinions on the best. So I will stick with OEM while under warranty. I had been using the OEM and I never had any issues with them but this guy or that guy will tell you some other filter is superior to the OEM so I bought into that. I change my oil every 5 grand so any filter, other than a Walmart one, should be just fine.

Thanks for everyone's input on this.

[V6er]

let's be honest.
wix filter in oreilly costs 16bucks + tax.
I believe I bought nissan filter at nissan dealership for about 8-9bucks (WITH tax). (less than 10)

what's the point?!

[D1dad]

No offense vstar, I think your a great guy, but I’d rather skip a dry start than look good to Nissans warranty dept who would have absolutely no right even questioning an aftermarket filter. I wasn’t making my comment towards you. More so a misinformed tech who told this poster absolutely incorrect info. I cut the last filter open that rattled and the silicone valve slid down the collar and flipped open. Once is a defect, 3 times is a pattern. I reported it to the dealer who sold me the filters and they could have cared less on the 1st two. The 3rd actually came from my local brick and mortar walmart. Unless it’s the Japanese mahle filter, I’d never use a pen Oem filter. Nissan got themselves in some crap over the whole “ns fluid” and the language now read “equivalent”. Same goes for any aftermarket accessory. From air filters to plugs and any and all fluids. If a dealer puts up a fight that dealers 100% wrong.

[V6er]

@D1dad, I think your last comment was adressed to me...
about nissan filters - recently bought that cutter to open filters... will have to play with few of those used nissan filters...

[cmartyn]

There is no need to open the filter to see this issue. You can look in the inlet holes and see that the adbv has flipped.

[V6er]

There is no need to open the filter to see this issue. You can look in the inlet holes and see that the adbv has flipped.

even if I want to?
will look at those filters tomorrow

[D1dad]

I could see the silicone had flipped but had to cut it open to see why. The valve is extremely pliable and there’s a lip that’s basically in charge of keeping the silicone in place. Couple that lip with to long of a collar, soft silicone and you have an adbv that lets all the oil drain down from the galleys. Dry start city and rattle. Google “defective Nissan oil filter”. It’s an issue. Nissan has no ground saying use our filters when they farmed them out to a company that they know F’d them up and doesn’t care. This has been happening for years. The worst part is, how many soccer moms and folks that don’t know any better are running around thinking it’s normal. And how many techs could care less, yet spew crap like what was said to the Op. Go to advance and get a carquest premium and save your receipts. Way better filter for less money.

[V6er]

I am not using them because nissan sad so. I am using because (I hope) that it is at least acceptable quality. and this if first time I hear about filter issues.
here is also bosch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ugq9Gqwe4

which brings us to bigger question - how to check filter before installation... attach to air compressor? measure output?

[D1dad]

I don’t know that there is a way to check before install. Listen for startup rattle and change out the filter at the first sign. I’ve had some that were fine but 3 that were not. The first time my wife was driving the vehicle exclusively and I have no idea how long it was like that. I’m not so sure that when the valve flips over that it’s not running in bypass, making the filter useless. I caught the next 2 early. 1 was actually on my 09 Altima which uses the same filter. My wife’s 24 obviously came with that filter and although it never acted up, I got that filter off as soon as I could. I was getting mahle manufactured filters that were fantastic, except they used a nitrile adbv versus silicone. The gohner filters have very stout construction, minus a clear design flaw. I’ve even considered that, maybe, those filters weren’t as compatible with the previous gen 2.5s, but that makes no sense.

[VStar650CL]

I’m not so sure that when the valve flips over that it’s not running in bypass, making the filter useless.

The ADBV and relief valve are at opposite ends of the filter and work in diametrically opposite directions. The ADBV has to be open to forward flow, the relief must be closed to forward flow until there's an overpressure. So it should be impossible for anything about the ADBV to cause a bypass.

[cmartyn]

I think when they went to the standard sized 7317 filters that's when the problem started with the Mexican filters. The filter media never got longer so you had this huge tube to put the adbv on and the mod they made to hold the adbv just made for a bad situation. Of course, Nissan ignored it for six years. I had a Mahle on my new Rogue so I didn't have the pleasure till my first oil change. It only had 2,000 miles on it when it got swapped out for a new Mahle. I have one old Wix with the bottom mounted bypass valve to use up and then I guess it's on to premium guards? I'm not that enamored with them but they look better than the Mahle.

[D1dad]

Anything premium guard is actually really well made. They take care of carquest, oreilleys and a few others. Bob is the oil guy folks are very high on premium guards. Also purolator one and boss are very high on the list. Fram ultras were the darling for a long time, but a manufacturer change has taken that away. I got a dozen parts plus filters for cheap that are premium guards, although just a 5k filter.

[D1dad]

I’m not so sure that when the valve flips over that it’s not running in bypass, making the filter useless.

The ADBV and relief valve are at opposite ends of the filter and work in diametrically opposite directions. The ADBV has to be open to forward flow, the relief must be closed to forward flow until there's an overpressure. So it should be impossible for anything about the ADBV to cause a bypass.

Good to know.

[cmartyn]

When the valve flips over it just let's oil drain back out of the filter when you shut the engine off. It's a bit like an umbrella in a high wind.