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telcoman wrote:National debt way down
Complete :bs: ... the debt keeps climbing and has not gone backwards in quite a while: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ ... the debt to GDP ratio is now well over 100% (at 104%, this is effectively impossible to bring down in a meaningful way - it should have been dealt with years ago with decreased government spending).
telcoman wrote:Gas prices way down
Due to increased oil production in the US ... which Obama and democrats generally oppose.
telcoman wrote:Osama dead
Far more hidden terrorists have crept in ... getting Osama was a non-event.
telcoman wrote:Over 30 million Americans now have health care
Till they find out the true costs ... then the bubble will burst there.
telcoman wrote:stock market up
Yup. Will grant you that. But, not clear whether this is another bubble or not ... could be heading for another correction, unfortunately.
telcoman wrote:Jobs up
Unemployment down
Yup. That has more to do with finally tighter fiscal policy due to Republican "intransigence" as you put it, rather than the free-wheeling spending of the Democrats in the past.

And due to lots of unemployed people simply not looking anymore (and staying on the public dole and family/parents having to help, etc.) ... and they don't get counted in the numbers!

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telcoman wrote:Jobs up
Unemployment down
Yup. That has more to do with finally tighter fiscal policy due to Republican "intransigence" as you put it, rather than the free-wheeling spending of the Democrats in the past.

And due to lots of unemployed people simply not looking anymore (and staying on the public dole and family/parents having to help, etc.) ... and they don't get counted in the numbers!
Read the reality from some one who knows: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/big-lie- ... im-clifton

Jim Clifton is Chairman and CEO of Gallup.

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The scorecard of Obama’s accomplishments is breathtaking:
  • The percentage of Americans working to support the nation is at a record low. 44%
  • The number of Americans on food stamps has exceeded 46 million for an unprecedented 3 years.
  • The number and percentage of Americans on “disability” are at record highs: 8.9 million & 6.4%
  • The federal income tax is at its most progressive point in modern times with the top 20% paying 94% of all income taxes while the bottom 40% actually get money from the government.
  • With Obamacare the government has taken direct control of almost 20% of the American economy, while the EPA has a death grip on a vast expanse of industries from autos to energy to dry cleaning. Regulations are accumulating at an unprecedented rate and their scope seems boundless.
  • And finally, as a result of all of this, more businesses are failing than are starting and the country is experiencing the slowest economic recovery in over half a century.
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Better than all other possible contenders on the right

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"....People like to be with winners. That's not a new revelation, but it's one that is probably particularly difficult for Christie to swallow given that, as recently as the 2012 presidential campaign,...."

Yup!

Hillary is the winner of Obama's third term. :chuckle:

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Rogue One wrote:The scorecard of Obama’s accomplishments is breathtaking:
  • The percentage of Americans working to support the nation is at a record low. 44%
  • The number of Americans on food stamps has exceeded 46 million for an unprecedented 3 years.
  • The number and percentage of Americans on “disability” are at record highs: 8.9 million & 6.4%
  • The federal income tax is at its most progressive point in modern times with the top 20% paying 94% of all income taxes while the bottom 40% actually get money from the government.
  • With Obamacare the government has taken direct control of almost 20% of the American economy, while the EPA has a death grip on a vast expanse of industries from autos to energy to dry cleaning. Regulations are accumulating at an unprecedented rate and their scope seems boundless.
  • And finally, as a result of all of this, more businesses are failing than are starting and the country is experiencing the slowest economic recovery in over half a century.
http://www.epictimes.com/vincecoyner/20 ... -practice/
You really know how to pick um for obtaining factual information.

http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2008/09/ ... oints.html

Zogby appears to be as good as Fox news

What an Ahole

Let us not forget President Obama was elected twice for a so called mislabeled worst president by incompetents and those that blindly follow them.

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telcoman wrote:You really know how to pick um for obtaining factual information.
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Shooting the messenger, are we? Dispute the facts/statements to bolster your position. Criticizing the source without addressing the statements does nothing to change others opinions, while it undermines your position.

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Strange title Re: Obama named worst president in 6 decades

Still haven't forgotten our previous president who created so much needless debt and crashed our economy

He works hard for his money despite the congress that seems to be always on vacation.

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“The notion that Iran is undeterrable — “it’s simply not the case,” he added. “And so for us to say, ‘Let’s try’ — understanding that we’re preserving all our options, that we’re not naïve — but if in fact we can resolve these issues diplomatically, we are more likely to be safe, more likely to be secure, in a better position to protect our allies, and who knows? Iran may change. If it doesn’t, our deterrence capabilities, our military superiority stays in place. ... We’re not relinquishing our capacity to defend ourselves or our allies. In that situation, why wouldn’t we test it?”

“Since President Obama has had more direct and indirect dealings with Iran’s leadership — including an exchange of numerous letters with Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei — than any of his predecessors since Iran’s revolution in 1979, I asked what he has learned from the back and forth.”

“Whatever happened in the past, he said, “at this point, the U.S.’s core interests in the region are not oil, are not territorial. ... Our core interests are that everybody is living in peace, that it is orderly, that our allies are not being attacked, that children are not having barrel bombs dropped on them, that massive displacements aren’t taking place. Our interests in this sense are really just making sure that the region is working. And if it’s working well, then we’ll do fine. And that’s going to be a big project, given what’s taken place, but I think this [Iran framework deal] is at least one place to start.”

Oh and Bin Laden is dead

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Obama gave himself a B+ on the economy. Here’s how an economist graded him… (Hint - it starts with the same letter as his political party)
by Michael Busler, Ph.D. Public policy analyst and Professor of Finance at Stockton University.

Barak Obama was sworn into office as President in January 2009 while the economy was in midst of a very severe recession. He said he would put policies in place to get the economy moving again. What grade should we give him for his performance more than six years after he became president?

Mr. Obama has recently said that his policies are a success. Last year the economy added almost 3 million jobs which was the best year since 1998. Economic growth in the second and third quarters of last year was almost 5%. And there are far fewer Americans without health insurance.

Social programs have expanded so almost 48 million Americans are assured of eating since they can get foods stamps and the number of people helped by welfare is at an all-time high. Interest rates remain low and regulations have been implemented to protect the public. Obama would say he has done well and deserves a B+ or A-.

An objective analysis would conclude differently and would give a much poorer grade.

In 2010 Obama submitted a plan approved by Congress that called for almost $1 trillion in stimulus spending financed entirely by borrowing. The President said that passing this stimulus would provide “shovel-ready” jobs and that the economy would grow at a 4% rate in 2010 and average almost 6% annual growth in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

It turned out that the jobs were “not as shovel ready as we thought.”

The economy grew at less than a 2.5% annual rate in each year from 2010 to 2014. While growth in the second and third quarters of 2014 approached 5%, the negative growth in the first quarter and the 2.2% growth in the fourth quarter meant growth for the entire year was only 2.4%.

Although the economy did add almost 3 million jobs in 2014, from the end of the recession in mid-2009 to 2013, job growth was sluggish and sporadic with many of the newly created jobs being part-time or low wage. Contrast that to the 8 million jobs created in 1982 and 1983 after the deeper 1981 recession. Also from 2002 to 2008, there was essentially a labor shortage. For most of that time the unemployment rate was under 5% and for a month or two, under 4%, meaning that there were very few unemployed people seeking work. As a result there appears to be sluggish job growth.

Regarding Obamacare and the President’s insistence that this is a success, because of the confusion in the numbers provided by the Obama administration, it is difficult to tell exactly how many previously uninsured people actually have insurance today. An accurate number is probably around 9 to 10 million.

While that is good, hundreds of millions of Americans who were generally content with their health insurance plans prior to Obamacare now have poorer plans, are seeing unfamiliar doctors and are paying more for the plan instead of paying less as the President promised. In addition, because of high deductibles with the Obamacare approved plans, many people are skipping routine doctor visits and some ordered tests. This will eventually result in poorer quality health for the majority of Americans.

It is true that President Obama has vastly expanded social programs to provide a greater safety net. While that may seem like a good idea, the reality is that many, and perhaps most, of the people who take advantage of these programs do so for long periods of time, often trapping generations into the welfare system.

A better accomplishment would have been to have faster economic growth so that all Americans could find opportunity. Then they would become self-sufficient and not need the safety net programs.

The low interest rates are a result of the massive expansion in the money supply instituted by the Federal Reserve. In theory that alone should turn the economy around so that the equally massive Obama stimulus program was probably not needed.

On the issue of added regulations, they too may have done more harm than good. Many of the President’s regulations are having a negative impact on economic expansion. The regulations may appeal to a small portion of the population who seem to constantly feel they are victims, but for the majority of Americans they have simply slowed growth and limited opportunities.

Taking all of this into account, the President probably earned a D for his economic performance. In fact had he taken absolutely no economic and regulatory policy actions, the economy would probably be better off today. Maybe then, the grade of D is a bit too generous.

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Obama Has Lowest Average 1stQ GDP Growth of Any President on Record

Even if you leave out the first quarter of 2009—when the recession that started in December 2007 was still ongoing--President Barack Obama has presided over the lowest average first-quarter GDP growth of any president who has served since 1947, which is the earliest year for which the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated quarterly GDP growth.

In all first quarters since 1947, the real annual rate of growth of GDP has averaged 4.0 percent.

In the seven first quarters during Obama’s presidency, it has declined by an average of -0.43 percent. And if you leave out the first quarter of 2009 and look only at the first quarters of the six years since the recession ended, it has averaged only 0.4 percent.


In the first five years of this decade (2010-2014), annual growth in GDP has averaged 2.2 percent. But that is less than the 2.7 percent it averaged in the first five years of the last decade (2000-2004) which was before the recession hit at the end of 2007 and brought the decade's average down to 1.82 percent.

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How someone judges a president is influenced both by their political leanings, and by the competence of the Congress he has to work with. So I don't put much confidence with these kinda declarations. With both Obama and GWBush, whom many also consider among the worst presidents in 6 decades, keep in mind both had to work with what many would agree were two of the worst, most dysfunctional Congress' in modern history. so to expect anything positive to get done by a President (regardless of political affiliation) with a Congress who refuses to work with him or each other for that matter, is gonna make the Presidents look far worse.

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Obama might start looking better if HC gets into office. I'm still waiting for someone to impress me with a concrete plan for dealing with the economy and the many issues mentioned in this thread.

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One of the best IMHO as he finally gave the American people healthcare.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/su ... -news&_r=0

At least the SCOTUS has more sense as the A$$holes that voted over 60 times in an attempt to repeal it. :)

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Our president had a pretty good week last week and his approval numbers keep rising.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... _fb_maddow

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I suspect once the details of his TPP deal are released and who it actually benefits, his numbers might go back down.

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Bubba1 wrote:I suspect once the details of his TPP deal are released and who it actually benefits, his numbers might go back down.
Leaked: Trade Agreement Has Obama Going To Bat For Big Pharma?

A recent draft of the Trans-Pacific Partnership free-trade deal would give U.S. pharmaceutical firms unprecedented protections against competition from cheaper generic drugs, possibly transcending the patent protections in U.S. law.

Still, the draft chapter will provide ammunition for critics who have warned that TPP’s protections for pharmaceutical companies could dump trillions of dollars of additional health care costs on patients, businesses and governments around the Pacific Rim. The highly technical 90-page document, cluttered with objections from other TPP nations, shows that U.S. negotiators have fought aggressively and, at least until Guam, successfully on behalf of Big Pharma.

Read the full story here: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20 ... 26?hp=t1_r

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Had Regan followed thru Obama would have a good shot at being reelected.

What a bunch of clowns masquerading as republicans.

"In May 1988, Ronald Reagan spoke at Moscow State University in Russia and was asked about whether he wishes he could “stay for another term.” Reagan began by talking about Congress seeking “revenge against Franklin Delano Roosevelt” when lawmakers changed the Constitution, which Reagan apparently saw as a mistake. The Republican president added:

“When I get out of office – I can’t do this while I’m in office, because it will look as I’m selfishly doing it for myself – when I get out of office, I’m going to travel around what I call the mashed-potato circuit – that is the after-dinner speaking and the speaking to luncheon groups and so forth – I’m going to travel around and try to convince the people of our country that they should wipe out that amendment to the Constitution because it was an interference with the democratic rights of the people. The people should be allowed to vote for who they wanted to vote for, for as many times as they want to vote for him; and that it is they who are being denied a right.”

Remember, Reagan was in the Soviet Union at the time,

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You know, you can find anything you want on the internet.
1. Proof that the moon landing was a hoax.
2. Big Foot turds for sale, $25.00 a pound.
3. Proof of Eisenhower's meetings with Gray aliens in Area 51 in the early 50s.
4. Who really killed Kennedy.
5. Why the Holocaust never happened.
6. Where Elvis was seen yesterday.
7. Why 9/11 was a government conspiracy.
8. Polls on which presidents were good and which weren't.

You know the real problem? People lack the ability to do the simple math to see through most of these 8 things.

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Rogue One wrote:John Zogby: 'Is it all over for Obama?'

President Obama's approval numbers are in the cellar, a new Quinnipiac University survey just dubbed him the worst president in six decades, so maybe it's no surprise that analyst and pollster John Zogby is asking: “Is it all over for him?”

Armed with new numbers that are depressing to an already deflated White House, Zogby on Wednesday found that most don't believe that Obama can lead the country and he compared the president to Bill Clinton following the Democrat's sweeping 1994 Congressional loss and when former White House Correspondent Brit Hume asked if Clinton was even relevant.

“Mr. Obama finds himself in the uncomfortable position where every age group, independents, and whites all agree that the public has given up on his ability to accomplish anything before the end of his term,” said Zogby in releasing his latest numbers.

“In short, we see a president in full salvage mode. He is not only racing for his legacy but for his relevancy,” Zogby added.

The analyst who pens a weekly report card on the president for Secrets, however, said that there is one positive in all of his polling: As much as Americans disapprove of Obama, they like Congress even less.

Additional details: http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-zogb ... le/2550415
The rest of the world doesn't think so. Only the know nothing that you quote above and our mostly do nothing Republican controlled congress

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ge%2Fstory

"Over five years, however, Obama has turned defeat and disarray into a political victory that could become one of the most enduring legacies of his presidency."

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Obama’s Economy Is Headed For Recession
The Bureau of Economic Analysis (http://www.bea.gov/) just released figures showing that the economy grew at a dismal .7% annual rate in the fourth quarter of 2015. This is a slowdown from the third quarter number which had GDP growing at a 2% rate. For the entire year, GDP grew at a 2.4% annual rate making 2015 the seventh consecutive year of subpar economic growth. And it now appears that Obama’s economy may be heading toward recession. - See more at: http://www.epictimes.com/michaelbusler/ ... u07fw.dpuf

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Obama vs. His Predecessors in 7 Famous Quotes

President Barack Obama: “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
President John F. Kennedy: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”

President Barack Obama: “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that – somebody else made that happen.”
President Harry Truman: “I studied the lives of great men and famous women, and I found that the men and women who got to the top were those who did the jobs they had in hand, with everything they had of energy and enthusiasm and hard work.”

President Barack Obama: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
President Ulysses Grant: “Hold fast to the Bible. To the influence of this Book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization and to this we must look as our guide in the future.”

President Barack Obama: “I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
President George W. Bush: “We pray that every child in America can grow up in a loving and stable home. We pray for the day when every child in America is welcomed in life and protected in law.”

President Barack Obama: “Whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower.”
President Ronald Reagan: “There are some who’ve forgotten why we have a military. It’s not to promote war, it’s to be prepared for peace.”

President Barack Obama: “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
President Thomas Jefferson: “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.”

President Barack Obama: “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.”
President Calvin Coolidge: “We identify the flag with almost everything we hold dear on earth, peace, security, liberty, our family, our friends, our home… But when we look at our flag and behold it emblazoned with all our rights we must remember that it is equally a symbol of our duties. Every glory that we associate with it is the result of duty done.”

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telcoman wrote:Still haven't forgotten our previous president who created so much needless debt and crashed our economy
Under Bush, the debt went up by under 5 trillion dollars.

Under Obama, the debt has gone up by about 9.7 trillion dollars ... it now stands at just over 19 trillion dollars: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

So ... what was that again? Something about a "president who created so much needless debt" ... ?

BTW, all indications are that our economy is about to take a serious turn for the worse by the end of this year ... and, of course, it will be blamed on the Republicans! :rolleyes:

Also, unlike any fanciful or partisan or other one-sided sources, my national debt data above comes from the Federal Treasury web site: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

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And, by the way, that 19 trillion figure is the Federal National debt.
  • It doesn’t include state and local debt ... which is another can of worms.
  • And, it doesn’t include so-called “agency debt.”
  • And, it doesn’t include the so-called unfunded liabilities of entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare.
Scary world I am leaving my son to deal with ... and I cannot do a damn thing about it with the Democrat willingness to over-spend what we do not have! :(

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szh wrote:.... it doesn’t include the so-called unfunded liabilities of entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare.
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The result of Bush blowing the budget surplus giving tax cuts to millionaires, billionaires, two wars, unpaid for Medicare Part D, refusal to negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies and the refusal to raise the minimum wage.

Feel the Bern!

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szh wrote:.... it doesn’t include the so-called unfunded liabilities of entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare.
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The result of Bush blowing the budget surplus giving tax cuts to millionaires, billionaires, two wars, unpaid for Medicare Part D, refusal to negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies and the refusal to raise the minimum wage.

Feel the Bern!

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Irrelevant attempt to side-track ... the real issue is the massive increase in national debt that Obama has overseen! That is the real point to be looked at.

And Bernie would only make it far, far worse!

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szh wrote: Irrelevant attempt to side-track ... the real issue is the massive increase in national debt that Obama has overseen! That is the real point to be looked at.

And Bernie would only make it far, far worse!

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The massive increase in national debt is mostly the result of the republican controlled congress refusal to raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires along with the fiscal meltdown mess Obama inherited from Bush.

Bernie will revolutionize our economy so the middle class get their well deserved raise in income

The American people are not stupid. They elected President Obama twice and will put another Democrat in the White House in November
The only people that believe people like you are...........

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1-Jobless claims down this morning
2-Gasoline prices down
19 million additional Americans have health coverage
3- Economy continuing to improve

The right wingnuts were quick to blame President Obama when items 1& 2 were rising

Where is the credit now?

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