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I understand completely. At least I'm aware they can no longer drive me out of my mind. These days it's a short putt. :biggrin:


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....aaaaaand, we now have a new twist in the ongoing dramafest... Should be interesting to see what the mouthbreathing hordes do with this.

So, in his infinite wisdom (lol), DJT has suggested taking weapons away PRIOR to the application of due process.

Think about that for a minute. If you're a slobbering gun nut, that means a clear violation of your Constitutional rights.

BUT, if you're anti-gun, and you're nodding your head because you don't care about the rights of gun owners, slow your roll and punch yourself in your miniscule genitalia. Why?

Here's why: Because that's fascism. So, now you have to admit that you're ok with fascism. Please notify your local Antifa chapter so they can come burn your house down.

Look - On the surface, it makes sense to have concerns about people with mental health issues having access to firearms. We all get that. But mental illness is a continuum. It's a sliding scale. It's fluid (UNLIKE GENDER, YOU SCIENCE-DENIERS). You can fit the criteria today, and be remarkably devoid of symptoms tomorrow. Feel free to argue, but you'll lose, and it'll be ugly.

Any of us, at some point in time, could be a valid and deserving recipient of a DSM-V diagnosis. And what about people whose illness is managed by medications? Do we invade their privacy, check their prescriptions, violate their HIPAA rights, blood test them, and stomp once again on the Constitutional protections we all enjoy? What DSM disgnoses will exclude someone from ownership? Depression? Bipolar disorder? PTSD? All of the above? Who will determine that? And do we do the same for those who have a history of alcoholism? Drug use? What if they're clean and sober? Or do you propose we should monitor that as well? How about a babysitter for everyone in America?

Hmmmm. You see, these are all indefensible positions for anyone proposing further "control" measures, especially the lefties who supposedly support individual rights... but also including El Cheeto. Funny how you all wound up on the same team by furthering an agenda of CONTROL rather than of RIGHTS.

Congrats, Howie. I'm sure you'll be wearing your MAGA hat to the buffet at Golden Corral.

Thankfully, SCOTUS will wipe their collective asses with any legislation that contains such nonsense (well, except for that doddering loon Ruth) and we'll all get back to rational thought.

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Then we're back to restricting the gun types, magazine capacity, the number of weapons and magazines per owner. Not the owners themselves. Given the difficulty of differentiating among weapons (the point that you brought up), some countries have taken to banning semiautomatics altogether. Such a ban isn't going to remove all of those guns from owners but over time it will prevent potential mass shooters from amassing the levels of firepower they are now.

I tend not to agree with your assessment of people being ok with medication, though. My career was in pharmacies and pharmaceutical wholesale. There are far too many people who either miss doses or just plain quit taking the medicine and revert to their old ways, even if temporarily. I don't believe in the government invading their privacy but ongoing testing should be a requirement for them. Owning a gun is a choice. They can always choose not to if they don't want to test.

You were right from the beginning. The devil is in the details. Given the rate that these shootings are occurring, though, we have to try something to cut down the number of them.

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The stupidity of listening to the NRA


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... v=top-news

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By the way, R/T, while you were busy beating off to pictures of Elizabeth Warren
I mean...after some drinks a brother gets deperate. Its like riding a moped...it's fun until your friends find out.

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...and then Howie pops in with a link to some irrelevant article. SURPRISE!

We've already established that you're a fascist, Howie. Stop wasting our time and yours.

If you can't keep up, can't respond to legitimate questions, and can't comment independently without posting links to your favorite crayon-eating journalist, just admit it.

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By the way... https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/s ... cher-says/

Implementing a few of Steve's suggestions (where possible) will go a long way.

I'm also of the opinion that installing one of the TSA's cast-off metal detectors (already paid for) at each entry to each public school, establishing a secure perimeter, and reintroducing SROs will address the rest of these tragedies.

Now, can we get back to working on issues that actually affect large numbers of people? ;)

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Another school shooting in Florida

Thanks NRA

School shooting threat at Dwyer High leads to arrest of teen

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/cr...jgSv7QDQFnuUO/

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It must be really weird, walking around on this planet, trying to appear normal, with the mental processing power of a pet store goldfish.

Yes, Howie, the NRA did that. You and Rosie O'Donnell are simply smarter than the rest of America. :)

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This waste of tax dollars has been hanging out on NICO.

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By the way, for those of you who are still searching for a dictionary, "terrorlst" does not mean "those whose ideologies we disagree with."

However, there are almost two pages of civil, logical discourse preceding your last post, Howie. If you'd like to step outside your cut-nad-paste comfort zone and participate in an intellectually-stimulating debate or point out anyplace where I was wrong, feel free. Be prepared, as you know, I do not suffer fools or the ill-prepared gladly.

In fact, I suspect Steve would make a fantastic and neutral moderator, should you care to engage.

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It must be really weird, walking around on this planet, trying to appear normal, with the mental processing power of a pet store goldfish.

Yes, Howie, the NRA did that. You and Rosie O'Donnell are simply smarter than the rest of America. :)
The solution to the gun problem

https://www.nonramoney.org/

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Calling the NRA a "terrorlst organization" makes zero sense. They teach gun safety and NONE of their members have ever gone on a killing spree.

Calling law-abiding citizens who want to defend our Constitution ""terrorists" says a lot about liberals.

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Rogue - It doesn't say a lot about liberals any more than Alex Jones' followers say a lot about conservatives. They only represent a minority fringe group of clueless individuals. The vast majority of liberals love America every bit as much as conservatives do and are willing to properly discuss ways to make it better and stronger. They only have a different philosophy on how to achieve it.

I wouldn't label the NRA as a terrorlst organization but their political actions are enabling terrorists as well as making thing more dangerous by opposing every single piece of legislation that calls for responsible gun ownership. They teach gun safety through their organization yet they oppose any law mandating gun safety classes for new gun owners. By opposing thorough background checks for every gun ownership transfer (see the gun show and private sale loopholes) every nut job out there has an avenue of easy access to obtain a gun legally and stay off anyone's radar until the carnage begins again. The NRA itself only represents a small minority of gun owners in this country but as a well funded special interest group it is preventing progress in America on this issue.

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Rogue - It doesn't say a lot about liberals any more than Alex Jones' followers say a lot about conservatives. They only represent a minority fringe group of clueless individuals. The vast majority of liberals love America every bit as much as conservatives do and are willing to properly discuss ways to make it better and stronger. They only have a different philosophy on how to achieve it.
It is not a minority fringe group but a very active group of high school students as well as parents organizing against a terrorlst NRA
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I wouldn't label the NRA as a terrorlst organization but their political actions are enabling terrorists as well as making thing more dangerous by opposing every single piece of legislation that calls for responsible gun ownership.
The Florida bill doesn't go nearly as far enough.

NRA sues Florida over gun bill same day Gov. Scott signed it into law

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 412365002/

The students today watching their friends get slaughtered will eventually outnumber and outvote the present do nothing adults and NRA members

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 340108002/

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telco: You truly are clueless and incapable of truly reading or comprehending.

The Conneticut governor labeled the NRA a terrorlst organization. It's right there, complete with a picture for you since you can't really read, in AZ's post. Yet you pop right in and make a ridiculous claim that the governor of the state of Conneticut is a high school student!

Get a clue.

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"not a minority fringe group but a very active group of high school students"

That's, by definition, a minority fringe group. I've tried for years to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just keep eating paint chips.

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"not a minority fringe group but a very active group of high school students"

That's, by definition, a minority fringe group. I've tried for years to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just keep eating paint chips.
...or crayons.

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One reason may be something I've observed when looking or trying to engage someone in the comments sections of news stories. I've found Trumpies and far right conservatives in general to be more interested in hurling insults and obscenities than engaging in actual discussions. They stay for the purpose of continuing to antagonize and inflame. I see that behavior from the far left people too, but not nearly to the extent of the "righties". If I were using social media I'd be "unfriending" those right wing idiots to get them out of my life as quickly as possible.

I understand it's anectdotal speculation but it is a possible explanation.

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We did a pretty good job of engaging.

The problem is, we came to a conclusion. A conclusion that logical people could arrive at, given intelligence, consideration and effort. We understand each others' position much more, and, speaking for myself, I respect what I learned from our discourse.

It's entirely possible that the "right wing idiots" are simply people who are weary of hearing the same tired bleating, with no proposed solutions. Perhaps they're tired of being vilified by pinheads like R/T for simply belonging to a perfectly legal organization. Perhaps they're sick of being told they're part of the "problem" when they've never even fudged on their taxes, much less shot up a school.

In a bar brawl, it's always best to try to reason first. Failing that, a chair across the face usually works. :)

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It is entirely possible but rational people know that responding initially with only insults accomplishes nothing except alienating someone who IS trying to establish a legitimate dialogue and is still possibly swayable. If from the very beginning you and I had responded to each other by belittling and insulting each other no decent discussion would have occurred. It's understandable to marginalize someone like telco; his actions here over the years have proven he's beyond hope. Unfortunately, a lot of moderates are being treated as being "telcos" with insults and obscenities right out of the starting gate.

It's just so unfortunate that the majority of people getting the attention these days are those who now view every issue as black or white with no grey area between. This whole "You're either with us 100% or you're against us 100%" ideology is destroying the country.

BTW, in case I didn't mention it earlier, my comments are from a position of being a gun owner myself, same as you. Like you, I try to see some achievable common ground in almost every issue and there is certainly a lot of that here. It feels like you and I are rapidly becoming a minority, though.

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All the truths.

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You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear ... tion=click

Students have just had enough:’ Walkouts begin across the nation one month after Florida shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/edu ... nal&wpmk=1

Not only are High School students engaged but middle students as well.
All these kids will be voters soon.
Change comes slowly but those legislators still in the pockets and accepting money from the NRA will have to worry about these kids.
The change is beginning in a few states but eventually federal legislation will take place.

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It is great for things like newspapers and yearbook photos but it will be totally lost on those in Washington. It doesn't inconvenience the legislators or administration in any way so they will pay it lip service and then return to business as usual. That means voting the way of whomever pays them the most money.

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In other words, Idiocracy is upon us. Walkouts are about as effective as "thoughts and prayers." When you demonize the wrong enemy, you're doomed to failure.

The NRA hasn't killed anyone. I'm astounded at the overwhelming inability to comprehend the simple logic of an issue. But then again, these were the same people screaming "whyyyyyy!" at the clouds when their crooked candidate was too impotent to even rig an election.

If my kid walked out of school, they'd be picking up every piece of trash between home and school until the dumpster was full.

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My wife and I were shaking our heads at the tv coverage locally this morning. They were extensively covering the walkouts, including some local pre-K through 6th elementary schools that walked out. There's nothing like having pre-K and first graders talking to us about gun control. Those kids were just following whatever some adults told them to say and do.

Look. we all get that kids need to be safe at school. At least most of the high school kids can carry on rational discussion or make possible suggestions. Adults, though, are just exploiting those younger kids.

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IIf my kid walked out of school, they'd be picking up every piece of trash between home and school until the dumpster was full.
If my kid or grand kids walked out of school in support of sensible gun control I'd be out there marching with them.

FWIW there were large numbers of students that walked out of the local high school this morning with the support of school officials.
Good lessons on free speech and how the right to protest, register to vote effects peaceful change in a democracy.
Elected officials are representatives of the people that elected them and not employees of the NRA.

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Of course you would, there's no surprise there.

Instead of addressing the REAL issue, which is mental health, bullying, snotnosed helicopter kids, and undisciplined little crotch fruit who don't have a healthy respect for authority.

I realize you have a tiny hardon for the NRA, but so far, that organization hasn't harmed one person.

BTW, your elected political heroes don't give two shats about you or your opinion. You, of all people, living in the cesspool of NJ, should know all about that.

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...and, until you can answer ANY of the questions that I posed above, with any greater efficacy than Steve, your bleating is meaningless.

You can't ask for legislative changes that you can't define. That's not opinion, Howie. That's fact.

But then again, your people still believe someone can self-identify as a rainbow-colored polynomial, so maybe it's a moot point and facts / science are irrelevant.

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This is the intellect we're dealing with:

California students turn violent during anti-gun rally
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/feb-26-ca ... eml_onsite


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