NA ka24de tuning

[Iceman00]

the only thing i have to say is wow.... rwd fwd huge diffrence when on a dyno. my g/f has an auto 95 ka24de with intake and its still slower than my ka 5 speed was stock when i had it. when u are comparing 5speed to auto u cant compare unless they have transmission work and comparing fwd to rwd is the same stop trying to prov everyone wrong just cause you hate to admit u have learned somthing here. there will be people who know more. and like everyones saying u cannot build a high hp. na motor for reliability u can build one to last a long time and if u take care of it and dont drive it like an *** it will last long but then u have to think y the **** are you building a high hp na motor to drive like your moms kia? think about it man

p.s. if u realy think that a na ka will make that much power check out modified mag the december 07 issue on page 130 they dyno a s14 ka at 137.8whp and 156.9ft-lbs and that is with aluminum drive shaft lightweight flywheel injen long ram intake greddy ti 3inch exuast with dc headers and a vibrant cat now yes they say the ka was running out of steam but lets say thats at most 10hp and thats high so lets say its had 147.8whp and 160ft-lbs what more can u do to make the numbers higher some cams thats pretty much it unless u want to go into biggg money for little hp. but its pointless and no one wants to do that when u can go boosted for cheaper get a nice tune mabe run the jwt ecu if they make them for the s chassie motors idk i dont run a ka anymore and didnt realy run one for long.

Modified by blackmagic at 8:14 AM 2/10/2008

You stupid inbreeding pile of ****. At least try to use some sort of proper grammar when talking to me. I'm ignoring this steaming pile of **** you call a post, because 1. It is utter foolishness2. Your mastery of typing and spelling is of that of a 10 year old.3. You are stupid.

[boznuttz]

That's one hell of an example on an auto S14, but certainly not typical of an auto transmission. Sure it's possible for motors to vary to some extents, but that's one strong stock motor, lol. It's probably in better condition than any stock KA24DE S13 that I've seen, and has low miles and little wear on the engine and transmission. Most of the KAs I've seen dynoed were easily beyond 120k miles with compression lower than 160 on each cylinder.

All and all, I think I'd rather drive a 5 speed over an automatic transmission.

[blackmagic]

im sure its a 5 speed its in modified mag check it out im sure they have some old issues posted on their web site and as for iceman u dont need to use proper grammar to school you about cars and make u defensive. i dont give a **** if u ignore that post its the truth dont believe me check out the mag they dont say its a 5 speed but looking at the dyno you know its 5 speed not to mention driving my g/f's car which is automatic you know her car doesnt even pull 120 whp her cars running outa steam

[Iceman00]

I can pull dynos out my *** all day. Sht the **** up, because you have no ****ing clue as to what your talking about.

[Iceman00]

BTW, automatic 240sx with 232/232 cams (red) vs 248/232 cams (blue)



I win.

[boznuttz]

You went all out! Props to ya for that since you showed me that there are a few auto KAs with balls. In my own personal experience, I have seen countless lower power rwd outputs with auto KAs. I don't deny anymore that they don't exist, as you have clearly proven. So I retract my BS flaggin and hatin, lol.

Your balls are huge sir.

[blackmagic]

i wasnt trying to start a fight i was just telling it how i have seen most cars run and what i have heard. so u found a dyno or 2 to support your statment more power to u, but practice on your people skills a little all u had to do was show us the dyno and this thread prolly would never have gotten so raped with off topic crap.

[240FeVeR]

i wasnt trying to start a fight i was just telling it how i have seen most cars run and what i have heard. so u found a dyno or 2 to support your statment more power to u, but practice on your people skills a little all u had to do was show us the dyno and this thread prolly would never have gotten so raped with off topic crap.

or perhaps this wouldn't have happened if people weren't so trigger happy to call BS.

Lets return to the original post now, this guy is saying he ALREADY HAS, take a deep breath and try to under stand people. HE ALREADY HAS THE SAFC AND WIDEBAND. When he asks if he could pick up a couple of hp by adding it to a NA motor, why would ANYONE suggest against him doing it?

[boznuttz]

Let's get back on topic about SAFCs, but first, let's joust ad argue about pasta!

[Iceman00]

Let's get back on topic about SAFCs, but first, let's joust ad argue about pasta!

Agreed. I like it with meat sauce, and of course that parmasian cheese (I sooo spelled that wrong)

[boznuttz]

Meat sauce?!?!? I will duel you, sir!

[PapaBurgundy]

Iceman00 you shouldnt talk about domestics, its clearly not your area. A 500whp ls1 is just a few bolt ons and I'm not talking crap, I grew up in a family of chevy drag racers. My dads got a 750+whp 70 chevelle with a 454 in it and as long as you dont mind a rough idle and 8mpg its as reliable as half the cars in production right now.

[psi240]

Iceman00 you shouldnt talk about domestics, its clearly not your area. A 500whp ls1 is just a few bolt ons and I'm not talking crap, I grew up in a family of chevy drag racers. My dads got a 750+whp 70 chevelle with a 454 in it and as long as you dont mind a rough idle and 8mpg its as reliable as half the cars in production right now.

stick to the topic .. no one cares about domestics .. Lets stick to the Nissan 240sx KA24de engine plz. k.. thanks

[PapaBurgundy]

Dont yell at me I didnt start all that LS1 sillyness.

[drifter92sx]

more fuel and more air = more power

[boznuttz]

more fuel and more air = more power

No Wai!

[Iceman00]

lol AT "A FEW bolt ons and 500whp"

I guess New heads, valvetrain and cams are "a few bolt ons"

[wild child]

hey , i have a 1993 240, and the dude at an import tuner shop here in north texas tells me the FMU is a bad way to go with your turbo set up.he tells me that i HAVE to spend about 1000.00 in ECU tune and piggyback something or other , or i'll blow my stuff up. i was going to do the same set up you described your car as having but this tuner guy shot me down hard, saying it won't be worth a crap.can you help me out with this?

joe

[PapaBurgundy]

Sorry Iceman I was thinking about the LS2 it will make 500whp with exhuast, headers and decent cams. And in the v8 world heads are considered bolt ons because with a couple hours labor they literally "bolt on".

[psi240]

well i know of a guy running the IAP turbo kit for the ka and it used a fmu and stock injectors. its been running for 2 yrs without and problems.

but yeah to be safe get a jim wolf ecu .. and borrow a wideband to monitor the afr's to make sure everything is good.

No need for a piggyback when u have a tuned ecu .. however some ppl get it anyways because they are able to make adjustments to the JW ecu whos tunes are more on the conservative side.

[boznuttz]

hey , i have a 1993 240, and the dude at an import tuner shop here in north texas tells me the FMU is a bad way to go with your turbo set up.he tells me that i HAVE to spend about 1000.00 in ECU tune and piggyback something or other , or i'll blow my stuff up. i was going to do the same set up you described your car as having but this tuner guy shot me down hard, saying it won't be worth a crap.can you help me out with this?

joe

On a low boost setup with stock injectors, it's fine.

....lol, ever wonder WHY he might tell you something like that? He wants to sell you some products!

BTW, most guys that I know that work at some shops like to believe that they are experts..... In one NJ shop, this one kid told me that I needed a 4 inch exhaust on a NA ka24de, another told me that I should put TWO throttle bodies on my intake to "let it breathe".

Another guy told me that I can't run more than 5 psi on any turbo on a stock engine with over 9.1 compression (such as the KA) without blowing the motor. He had no idea what predetonation was, or what afrs were, LOL!

I just figured that I'm better of not even talking to these kids, because all they ever ask me to do is show up at local ricer events and "drift my whip".

[wild child]

one more thing, do you think i'll have problems with emmission testing when i do the turbo? i noticed that the EGR tube on the stock EX. mani. looks like it doesnt get hooked back up on the turbo mani.

im in Texas , and they do a tail pipe sniffer when we go to get an inspection sticker every year.

joe

[boznuttz]

I have a few buddies at a few inspection stations.

[xckid]

lol at this thread......

1. it went horrible wrong because the majority arguing in here are fairly new to nico and new to posting. With the exception of redtop and a few others2.No misplacement for displacement. a car that has to work twice as hard to get the amount of power V8 has, is going to have problems there are certain things that arent meant to rev so high and just cuz there might be power there doesnt mean you have to use it. Why do you think after races i.e. nascar, IHRA, kart or indy they rebuild the motor. High revving as its toll on all cars...just with 4 bangers its more because there smaller

[PapaBurgundy]

Agreed xckid. Also this thread should be put to death.

[Iceman00]

lol at this thread......

1. it went horrible wrong because the majority arguing in here are fairly new to nico and new to posting. With the exception of redtop and a few others2.No misplacement for displacement. a car that has to work twice as hard to get the amount of power V8 has, is going to have problems there are certain things that arent meant to rev so high and just cuz there might be power there doesnt mean you have to use it. Why do you think after races i.e. nascar, IHRA, kart or indy they rebuild the motor. High revving as its toll on all cars...just with 4 bangers its more because there smaller

Shut up, you really have no clue. All out race engines > street engines.

IN some racing leagues, a motor is required all season, and this keeps cost down. You need to recheck what ever sources you have before you speak to me. a$$.

And FYI, Nascars produce less hp/liter, don't rev as high, and don't make as much power as Indy, IRL, and Formula One engines, and they require constant rebuilds. Same with Top Fuel Pro dragsters, and they are some of the largest motors around.