My first Post - Sorry its Spark Plugs

[SmithSR]

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....43835

This could have easily slipped into the vast PM void. I'm glad I was here to read it. Exchanges like the one above deserve to be aired, no?

[maxnix]

Oh, I agree, but I really don't need to know when someone has email waitng for him. That's the kind of post to which I am referring, not topics and information of general interest.

Personally, I think most members have the sense to self determine when the contents of any communication is of interest to all members. Am I wrong? It really doesn't matter, since PM is just an alternate channel to email, or telephone, or snail mail. As long as there are alternate channels, why diminish the board by eliminating a channel of communication that may be more appropriate method than posting - i.e.- "you have mail " (as if the recipient wouldn't know otherwise). Nothing is accomplished. It's just plain silly.

[90Q45blue]

Hmmmm..... I don't remember the posts or any poll asking the membership about disabling PM. It was enabled before, but no consultation with the board members was done before it was disabled, unless I missed it. That makes it unilateral.

Anyway, the ineffectiveness of it is obvious, as is the justifications offered, except for perhaps cost reduction. Funny thing is, none of the other boards I monitor have disabled this money burning feature. Guess they just don't know what a drain it is.

The American Heritage Dictionary state the definition of unilateral: Of, on, relating to, involving, or affecting only one side: “a unilateral advantage in defense”

I would contend the decision was not unilateral since it involved more than one person and party. The decision was made by Rex, our owner, the web team, our administrators and our moderators. This does not constitute a unilateral action. Is every law Congress makes unilateral because it comes from only one Congress? :rolleyes

I suggest you look up the definition in the dictionary before you go spouting off these "fancy" words to impress us "yokels".

Also, I would like you to name me one site, that is not in financial struggle, that you often frequent, that has PM enabled.

Brian, I'm really getting tired of you being so mean and negative to most members. You really are smart and do provide a lot of wonderful information, but unfortunately you also post some rude, negative information, especially to new members who we so desperately want to be nice to and hold on to so as to make our site bigger and better.

Help us out a little, though you already do a lot for us.

Nick

[Q-less]

Don't you guys worry, it would take more than Maxnix to scare me off. I am used to him at infinitiownersclub at yahoo. I think he is hilarious and he cracks me up with all of his "well thought of responses." I am sure he will now come back with something about telling "fellow posters" should use more thought in their posts. If anyone has a question just post it and ask it, no questions are stupid...PERIOD!! I know the wealth of information in arcvhives here at NICO can answer most of the questions people post, but then if we all have to fear Maxnix in a new Post regarding a repeated subject, we would never stay current on ever changing information and ideas; especially information from new members or those who missed the thread when it was "current." Again, I know Maxnix is probrably thinking about how useless this thread is and no new information was discovered...I'm referencing reviving old subjects in general (where it appears his angst is directed).

Nothing but love Maxnix...I still tagged you as my buddy, so I can always see what you have to say.

[90Q45blue]

I too value Brian as a member. I am leaving my previous post up so that if Brian gets mad at me, those seeing it will know that it is justified anger.

Brian,

I'm sorry. I was in a mood. Lots of thing going wrong on my car as you well know, etc. Just say the word and I'll remove my post. You are a valued member here and I can personally say that you have helped me in becoming more knowledgeable about my car.

Nick

[szh]

Sorry to hijack the thread.

While I do not respond publicly like Brian, I do find myself agreeing with him a bit about his points. Please let me explain why (as briefly as I can.)

Unlike some (many?) of the members on this site, I am not always reading it! I would really like to, but simply do not have the time.

So when I do get to it, I want it to be as short an experience as possible and be as efficient as I can, so that I can read as many of the threads as look good to me.

So, I look for threads that look interesting from their title and dive in - on only a few of the forums. Yet, these threads are often rehashes or repeats of previous questions and information. That is a waste of time for me, frankly. I do not voice my opinions about it like Brian, perhaps, but it is annoying that people (usually newcomers to the site) are not willing to do a simple search and spend some of their own time to do their homework. It is simply too easy to just throw the question out and ask for others to answer - this is discourteous and not mindful of others time.

My two cents ... and I will get off that soapbox now!

Z

[elwesso]

Isnt it amazing how we can get so far off track...!!!

My thoughts are, if your gonna post something rhetorical like that, why post...

[szh]

Isnt it amazing how we can get so far off track...!!!

My thoughts are, if your gonna post something rhetorical like that, why post...

Okay ... a valid point. I was hoping to get people to use judgement, but it seems like what is needed is for NICO to have a sticky "Here is what you do first!" that outlines some reasonable guidelines for everybody ... and make this part of every forum.

Is that practical enough rather than being rhetorical?

Z

[Q-less]

When should a topic be revived...should someone have to ask you (szhosain) or Maxnix for permission to post a question about a rehashed topic? I understand you want to see how advanced the discussions can become by moving on from old ones. But, eventually everyone will have nothing left to talk about, if it's going to be taboo to rehash. Should I tell the students I tutor, to go look it up every time a question is raised rather than help them immediately? Sometimes it is just easier for everyone, to just answer the question or there would be no tutor, no interaction. No one would be in this forum if it were just a library and no interaction. Interaction with others is why people come here, to meet and make friends miles apart; not to be told to go look it up. You can surely see the logic in this, this is why the forum was created, not as just a 'library'. I get satisfaction helping students knowing I have taught someone, even if I tell them over and over again the same thing. I am sure the moderators and mechanics hear broken records everyday, but I bet they get more satisfaction in giving information, rather than telling them to 'go look it up'. If you can not appreciate that you will always be the Robin and never Batman.

[elwesso]

You bring up good points.... While some things should be searched, I agree somewhat..... I think everyone is right and wrong at the same time here.....

From a gurus stand point, it gets old answering the same questions over and over again.... And in actuality it takes less time to do a search on a topic than it does to post and wait for replies.. It might be a day or so to wait for really good posts.... By searching you take that down to an hour tops...

On the converse, I have posted many threads about the same thing, and yet there is always new and or different information in ALL of these rhetorical threads.....

Does that mean that no one should search and post a thread.... No, this would be chaotic (and like the 240 forums ).... But it does do the community good when old topics are brought up again!

[szh]

When should a topic be revived...should someone have to ask you (szhosain) or Maxnix for permission to post a question about a rehashed topic?

Of course not! I am not the arbiter of people posts or a moderator.

I absolute agree that if there is something new to be said (even on old topics), then it should be said! But, if posters would only use words like "I looked and searched, but you know what, the following does not seem to be on the site or the old info seems to be ...", then it would easily meet my expectations for reading their posts!

The problem is that this does not seem to happen too often ... IMO!Quote »I understand you want to see how advanced the discussions can become by moving on from old ones. But, eventually everyone will have nothing left to talk about, if it's going to be taboo to rehash. Should I tell the students I tutor, to go look it up every time a question is raised rather than help them immediately? Sometimes it is just easier for everyone, to just answer the question or there would be no tutor, no interaction. No one would be in this forum if it were just a library and no interaction. Interaction with others is why people come here, to meet and make friends miles apart; not to be told to go look it up. You can surely see the logic in this, this is why the forum was created, not as just a 'library'. I get satisfaction helping students knowing I have taught someone, even if I tell them over and over again the same thing. I am sure the moderators and mechanics hear broken records everyday, but I bet they get more satisfaction in giving information, rather than telling them to 'go look it up'. If you can not appreciate that you will always be the Robin and never Batman. [/quote]Yes, I like to teach myself. I have taught classes on many different levels and fnd it a satisfying experience! But I do not get repeat students sitting on the same classes over and over and over and over again. If they had to sit through the same material in that manner, they would have the same reactions I mention!

If this site were always catering only to new forum members and old ones were expected to drop out all the time, then your point would be valid. Otherwise, I have to respectfully disagree!

Z

[Q-less]

Life is hard enough, why make it harder. What if your father or anyone's father for that matter (a teacher) gave up and said: "You know what...I'm done with you. I'm tired of answering your questions." Where's the love? I can understand if a member kept posting repeated rehashed topics, but for someone to jump on this site for the first time eager to get information is greeted by scournful remarks from someone with the "SEARCH" button linked in their message....come on, really. Why not give the information and 'politely' advise more information can be found in the database. I'm still curious when its safe to post information on NICO, because someone somewhere has heard it before. Why jump in doodoo if you don't like the smell of it. If you saw this thread and thought it 'stunk' like yesterday's news, why read it, and better yet why respond.

If I post and repost topics please scourn me...otherwise loosen up. Just who is this site catered to then? I thought it was for any "Nissan Infiniti Car Owner"

[szh]

Hmmm, maybe I am not being clear. I am not trying to argue, or keep new people off the site (or keep anybody off the site for that matter!) or to govern posts, etc.

I am probably older than most of you all on the site, but ... in the early days of Usenet, there was a general Netiquette that people followed for mailing lists and groups. One of the things that was recommended was to lurk and read and go through archives before adding to the general clamour. And that noise is louder now.

Forums are merely an extension of those earlier list and newsgroup concepts. All that I am asking that we all follow similar Netiquete and be mindful of the noise.

If this is too much to ask, so be it! I will simply read less of the posts ... that is my choice!

Z

EDIT: I have already said more on this topic than I was planning to. Apologies for that. I will shut up now.

[Q-less]

Have you ever gone to get your car fixed at Infiniti and they turn you away, telling you its in the book.

I had heard a lot about this site from others and unfortunately no one warned me about people carrying angst against asking a question. Unfortunately no one told me to research a topic 'thoroughly' before posting. Maybe NICO should advertise their site as "Come and search our databases for days, and don't dare ask a question on a topic without making sure it hasn't been covered." I am sure people will be lining up to get in. Maybe I just realized this site is only for people who already have answers to their own questions.

When you call to get help over the phone, do you sit and listen to all of the options, or are you pressing "0" as fast as you can?

ODNT - times change, ride the wave or or get caught underneath.

[AZhitman]

I understand you want to see how advanced the discussions can become by moving on from old ones. But, eventually everyone will have nothing left to talk about, if it's going to be taboo to rehash.

No one would be in this forum if it were just a library and no interaction. Interaction with others is why people come here, to meet and make friends miles apart; not to be told to go look it up.

I am sure the moderators and mechanics hear broken records everyday, but I bet they get more satisfaction in giving information, rather than telling them to 'go look it up'.

I couldn't have said it better myself. CPQ, you and I are clearly of a like mind.

[elwesso]

THATS scary!!

It is nice knowing that even though sometimes its a redundant question that you can still help... When I respond to a post I usually like to give them something to bite on, and then will say "for more info search around" or something like that.....

[90Q45blue]

I personally like the easy questions because I can actually answer them

Nick