Looking into going from Honda-Nissan...just a few questions.

[chemao]

My Type R Integra was way more "sportier" than any 240 I have ever driven.

GOOD POINT!! Awesome sports cars, at that. They totally eat up BMW and Porsches on the track. I should change my verbiage to describe Civics, not Hondas, in general, because the S2000 and NSX are other great examples of Honda's tuning prowess.

[chemao]

LMAO! Someone Here Needs To Go Find A Hooker To Have Angry Sex With....

*nod* I agree. Maybe I am just in such a good mood because I got mine this morning before work.

[White Comet]

A KA motor built with rods, rings, pistons, connecting rods, valves, retainers, springs, cams, and a valve job will run you about 3 grand, which is only a little bit more than a red top swap. This build would pretty much ensure you don't grenade your motor, and should be safe for 500+HP on a good tune.

an sr swap is a little over $2k and stock block can handle 400ish hp.

So what is your definition of a sports car then? You say it's not a sports car, but neglect to state why you feel that way. Seems pretty subjective, to me!

most 240s have no lsd, mediocre stock brakes and suspension and, although torquey, a relatively anemic power plant. there are plenty of cars that are pure sorts cars with only performance in mind; corvette, skyline, rx7, supra, etc. a 240, although is not a sports car no matter how you look at it

[chemao]

I think this Chemao fella is just posting what hes read on the site... No real first hand experience. Just my guess. I could be wrong.

Been in the game since 1993...

1987 Mitsubishi Starion (Chrysler Conquest)1986,1989 300ZX's1989 RX7-turbo21990 (1989?) MK3 Supra turbo2005 350Z2003 G352001 S6001995 240SX

All were modified except the S600 and one of the 300ZX's. My 240 made 380/362 @ 18PSI. I could make more but I'm using an old Starion intercooler and it doesn't seem to be working as well as I had hoped, because the graph isn't very smooth from about 4500 up. Will boost more once I get a better intercooler. I'm also going to try relocating the element filter to the wheel well and wrap my exhaust pipes to eliminate some heat.

The first time I felt real power in a 240 was 2000 when my buddy duncan351 took me out in his newly-turbo'ed 240... and we smoked a Trans-Am, a few days before it blew up. This is the same infamous 240 he has now that makes 500+ HP. Too bad he was too busy with his biz to build my 240, otherwise I'd have a 450HP beast of a KA-T already.

[TannerDanger]

Sorry I GOTTA tear this one up... you know, for initiation! No sense of humor? Move on, please!

Man I thought that kind of flaming only happened on Honda forums...

the reason I'm pretty game for the SR is cause I dont want to eff with the motor too much. I just wanna drop in a better engine and leave it, and maybe just do a few upgrades, its gunna also be my DD so I dont want to completely rebuild it.

But ya I wasn't planning on doing the build right away. Im kinda just tryin to do some research.

But I'm not too worried about price...I plan on making about 30-40k or more from my summer job.... 8-12k is just how much I'm budgeting myself because I don't wanna over do it. Ill probably add alot more after next summer.

$3,500 covered your suspension, wheels, tires AND brakes? either civic shxt is cheap and you're headed for a rude awakening when buying parts for your $240 or that was bargain bin stuff.

I got the shocks/springs from a MOD off my forum. He gave me his Koni Yellows+H&R sports for $400...wheels and tires weren't too much and brakes where just rear disk conversion, and upgraded disks/pads.

I see youre in Rochester NY. Monroe to be specific. I go to RIT. Good luck finding a decent S-chassis up here at a decent price. I actually don't think I've seen any listed for quite a while...

I dont live here I live in Idaho/Washington. I'm just working here for the summer and when I go home I plan on buying my car.

PS Don't you mean Y7? You stated that its not swapped.if i am not mistaken, the 99 civic (non Si, correct?) came with a d16y7.

No. The 99 Civic EX came with the Y8, which is the best of the D series engines, especially to boost,

but I've been itching to swap ever since I got my civic and that carries over to the 240 im gunna get.

[EvillE423]

Good call on getting out of the Honduh scene. If I had that amount of money to invest, I would first do suspension. I would drive for a little while and get used to the feel of the car. If you've never driven a RWD car that is. RWD is a totally different feel than FWD IMO. Power is usless unless you know how to control your car. Then I would do a swap. I would go the RB25 route or RB20. Or if you wanna be baller, rebuild the KA and go KA-T. But this is just my opinion. Do a little research on here and see what other people have to say about their setups, then go from there. Goodluck and keep up updated on your progress!

[chemao]

an sr swap is a little over $2k and stock block can handle 400ish hp.

A Corolla motor can handle 400ish HP. For all of a few minutes. A stock block red top is usually only good for around 300HP TOPS, after you've done some BPUs. Don't ask me; ask anyone that actually does this stuff regularly. And.. I take it you're talking about a $2000 motor/transmission? MAYBE you can find a decent S13 red top for that, but usually they're closer to $2500. Swapping it in will cost you another grand or so - unless you do it yourself. This guy isn't even willing to bolt on a 500 dollar civic turbo kit, let alone swap an entire motor/transmission himself.

most 240s have no lsd, mediocre stock brakes and suspension and, although torquey, a relatively anemic power plant. there are plenty of cars that are pure sorts cars with only performance in mind; corvette, skyline, rx7, supra, etc. a 240, although is not a sports car no matter how you look at it

You're absolutely right -- Although for cars that cost $2000 and are 20 years old... the 240sx is about all the sports car you're going to get. Besides, what are you exactly comparing them to? Look it doesn't matter very much. I say "sports car", you say "sporty car." Who cares? It's kind of like saying a 250cc sport bike isn't a sport bike just because it doesn't make you lay on your face and accelerate to 60 in 3 seconds. Put a turbo on it - is it a sport bike now?

[chemao]

chemao- i think you are a dush.

LOL what's a dush?

[White Comet]

A Corolla motor can handle 400ish HP. For all of a few minutes. A stock block red top is usually only good for around 300HP TOPS, after you've done some BPUs. Don't ask me; ask anyone that actually does this stuff regularly. And.. I take it you're talking about a $2000 motor/transmission? MAYBE you can find a decent S13 red top for that, but usually they're closer to $2500. Swapping it in will cost you another grand or so - unless you do it yourself. This guy isn't even willing to bolt on a 500 dollar civic turbo kit, let alone swap an entire motor/transmission himself.

im not positive but im pretty sure the stock sr block can handle 400, but its def more then 300. my friend just got his sr and transmission for $1950 shipped, works perfectly. check out his build thread for more detailshttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=301273

[chemao]

Man I thought that kind of flaming only happened on Honda forums...[/QUOTE

LOL it was 50% a teasing joke and 50% some info for you.

the reason I'm pretty game for the SR is cause I dont want to eff with the motor too much. I just wanna drop in a better engine and leave it, and maybe just do a few upgrades, its gunna also be my DD so I dont want to completely rebuild it.

Good thought -- here's something to consider: When it breaks (and it WILL BREAK), will you be able to track down parts easily? If you got a shop that can fix it for you easily enough go for it!

But ya I wasn't planning on doing the build right away. Im kinda just tryin to do some research.

Good idea - get your car first and get to know some people with mods on their cars. That's a great way to figure out what you want to do

But I'm not too worried about price...I plan on making about 30-40k or more from my summer job.... 8-12k is just how much I'm budgeting myself because I don't wanna over do it. Ill probably add alot more after next summer.

Snap dude, what kind of job earns you 40K in 3 months? Hook me up man! My girl eats mine up I gotta make some back

PEACE!

[White Comet]

(and it WILL BREAK),

PEACE!

care to elaborate?

[apollas]

heres a simple break downget your suspension done first, coilovers and some front/rear adjustablesthen worry about the motor choicessr, ca, rb are all good engine choices. sr, parts are abundant due to popularity and makes relatively decent hp. ca18 are simply baby rb motors with an iron block. my buddy has an s12 with ca18 and ran about 30 track events before he spun a bearing. rb are pretty cheap, and they are 6 cylinder, iron cast beasts. #1 thing that i love about mine is that you can beat the crap out of it on the track @ stock form. plus, how often do you hear skylines blowing their engines versus silvias/240/180s? if you can already get parts for sr's you will have no trouble getting parts for rb and ca. all these engines here can achieve 300-450hp but you also want to factor in reliability when building your engine. imo there is really no point in pushing over 300hp on a 240 for drifting/autox. anymore than 300, you are just smoking aaway your tires. breaking 250-280 on a 240 you are already getting alot of wheel spin.

[snwbrdr435]

chemao you are an annoying person arguing with people that know way more then you do. please stop trolling

IB4tl

[dickie]

It's doable bro...

From my G35 coupe:19x8 + 19x9 staggered rims/tires new from Wheelguys=$2000 shipped.Tokico shocks/struts with Eibach springs = $740 together(forgot brand) drilled/slotted rotors, surfaced $200Ceramic heat-dissipating pads = $175

I installed everything myself and didn't have to pay labor except my time... although as you can see above, it's definitely doable!

dont think that applies, you can def cheap out and get stuff like that but i was thinking FULL suspension including coilovers and new rods/braces, a decent set of wheels and tires geared for using the suspension to its max potential and a brake upgrade instead of OE replacement rotors and uprated pads to illustrate the difference between "toonerz modz" and actually building a decent setup.

[chemao]

im not positive but im pretty sure the stock sr block can handle 400, but its def more then 300. my friend just got his sr and transmission for $1950 shipped, works perfectly. check out his build thread for more detailshttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=301273

Everything I've ever seen or heard points to a 280-300 HP limitation on the stock SR internals. I think we may be confusing "block" and "internals" My bad, the block maybe able to take the abuse, but you'll need to replace most of the internal parts or else they go KABOOM! 1950 shipped is a great deal.. I assume he got a 90-93 redtop that makes about 200HP. I wonder how much it will cost to get the swap done? How much will he need on top of that to build it to make 350 RWHP? If he does it himself maybe he can keep it around $2600 or $2700... although that's just the swap and wiring. Then if he wants more than 220 or 230 at the wheels, he'll need to dump some money to build it. Guess that'll put him around the $5000 range by the time he's done with it. With 5000 I'd have a KA-T putting 500 to the ground, with 450 or so torque for to make those freeway runs less fair

[Speedy7_7]

Everything I've ever seen or heard points to a 280-300 HP limitation on the stock SR internals. I think we may be confusing "block" and "internals" My bad, the block maybe able to take the abuse, but you'll need to replace most of the internal parts or else they go KABOOM! 1950 shipped is a great deal.. I assume he got a 90-93 redtop that makes about 200HP. I wonder how much it will cost to get the swap done? How much will he need on top of that to build it to make 350 RWHP? If he does it himself maybe he can keep it around $2600 or $2700... although that's just the swap and wiring. Then if he wants more than 220 or 230 at the wheels, he'll need to dump some money to build it. Guess that'll put him around the $5000 range by the time he's done with it. With 5000 I'd have a KA-T putting 500 to the ground, with 450 or so torque for to make those freeway runs less fair

Dude, you really need to settle down, you sound like an as.shole. chill out. Everything is opinion, you arent special, you arent smart. shut your mouth and run your mouth off elsewhere.

[NismoDriver240]

there's probly going to be alot of hostility toward you cuz you mentioned honda which i think is stupid but w/e.

told you so...

CHEMAO: you are the definition of a tool. you're extremely tunnel visioned and suck the c*** of KA.

care to elaborate?

just because your gay lover's sr blew up doesnt mean the world has downs syndrome. you're damn near 30 and you act just under 12, gtfo

ib4tl

[NismoDriver240]

Dude, you really need to settle down, you sound like an as.shole. chill out. Everything is opinion, you arent special, you arent smart. shut your mouth and run your mouth off elsewhere.

this is the best post i've ever seen from you... keep it up

[chemao]

chemao you are an annoying person arguing with people that know way more then you do. please stop trolling

Chill slanty eyes. 90% of the guys here know when fun is fun and *** is ***. The top of my post said if you're easily offended don't read it. I guess you just like to be offended. I posted first, poking fun and giving opinions at the same time. He asked for opinions. Anyone in here should know the decision is ultimately his, but he ASKED for it. What's the harm in razzing the former Honda tuner who steps into an all Nissan world? He doesn't seem to be crying about it, why are you? Are you his mommy or something? Who's to say who knows more about what? You don't know me at all. How do you know what is in my head? Get a grip and go change your diapers. It's all in fun and you're just making waves. White and I are discussing what he things and what I think. I don't agree with him and he doesn't agree with me on some things. Big deal, you just see us going back and forth - we're not name calling and whining about it. Grow up and be like White if you have something to say, SAY it -- no need to be a wuss and cry and point fingers like a 5 year old who just dropped his lollipop.

[chemao]

Dude, you really need to settle down, you sound like an as.shole. chill out. Everything is opinion, you arent special, you arent smart. shut your mouth and run your mouth off elsewhere.

This is funny. "Everything is opinion" but you're whining that I stated mine. Here's another example of someone that takes his online life way too seriously.

[White Comet]

Everything I've ever seen or heard points to a 280-300 HP limitation on the stock SR internals. I think we may be confusing "block" and "internals" My bad, the block maybe able to take the abuse, but you'll need to replace most of the internal parts or else they go KABOOM! 1950 shipped is a great deal.. I assume he got a 90-93 redtop that makes about 200HP. I wonder how much it will cost to get the swap done? How much will he need on top of that to build it to make 350 RWHP? If he does it himself maybe he can keep it around $2600 or $2700... although that's just the swap and wiring. Then if he wants more than 220 or 230 at the wheels, he'll need to dump some money to build it. Guess that'll put him around the $5000 range by the time he's done with it. With 5000 I'd have a KA-T putting 500 to the ground, with 450 or so torque for to make those freeway runs less fair

you need to read, the sr's been swapped in for awhile. i think he spent like $500ish on other parts besides the 1950 but its not like it takes a lot more to get 350 hp. you can get 400hp out of the sr of stock block and internals. hell, you can hit 300-350hp out of a gtir turbo and s14 housing. my friend dynoed at 277hp on his sr with stock turbo and internals. i think u need to study up a little

[chemao]

care to elaborate?

You know how it is man - any car with a lot of power breaks things regularly. I was just mentioning that SR20s are a little more difficult to get fixed because they're more rare than the KA motors. Of course, I could be wrong on this one because I don't have an SR motor. But I would imagine going to the local junk yard for a new alternator or AC compressor would be a pain!

[snwbrdr435]

i was right to call you a douchbag earlier your avatar says it all. this guy wanted some feedback and what you gave him wasnt very constructive who cares what he drove. By some of the comments you automatically assumed that he was a "ricer". But he never mentioned anything that i would consider rice. And the suspension you have listed for "your" g35. I agree with d!ck completely. Someone lock this.

[chemao]

you need to read, the sr's been swapped in for awhile. i think he spent like $500ish on other parts besides the 1950 but its not like it takes a lot more to get 350 hp. you can get 400hp out of the sr of stock block and internals. hell, you can hit 300-350hp out of a gtir turbo and s14 housing. my friend dynoed at 277hp on his sr with stock turbo and internals. i think u need to study up a little

That's a great deal that his stock SR only cost 2500 to get in. He must have done the work himself I assume. BTW, 277 is a long way off from 350. Hey if he's making it happen then that's awesome. I can't say first hand about SR. I only know what tuner shops and info scattered around the web all point to. They all say around 280-300HP on the stock motor is the max. But hey I guess it's all in the tune

[White Comet]

You know how it is man - any car with a lot of power breaks things regularly. I was just mentioning that SR20s are a little more difficult to get fixed because they're more rare than the KA motors. Of course, I could be wrong on this one because I don't have an SR motor. But I would imagine going to the local junk yard for a new alternator or AC compressor would be a pain!

heres a whole list of parts you can use form usdm nissanshttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/59345parts are easily found. and i've never had any problems with my sr, even with the boost turned up. assuming an engine built for performance will break is not accurate at all. i dont know who u know that kills sr's but maybe their building them wrong

[chemao]

i was right to call you a douchbag earlier your avatar says it all. this guy wanted some feedback and what you gave him wasnt very constructive who cares what he drove. By some of the comments you automatically assumed that he was a "ricer". But he never mentioned anything that i would consider rice. And the suspension you have listed for "your" g35. I agree with d!ck completely. Someone lock this.

The post was all in fun. You want some cheese with your whine? Also, you still didn't spell it right. Back to ESL class my man!! Troi oi thang nay khong hieu tieng an!! HEHEHE for real man chill.

[NismoDriver240]

"Everything is opinion" but you're whining that I stated mine.

he asked for an opinon on swaps and such, not on his car or previous car.

The top of my post said if you're easily offended don't read it.

if you didnt read, why should we?

so many people have such a hate for honda... for what? we like nissan so much and they like honda. period. there are super riced out nissans out there and terrible/race happy drivers of nissans too. more common in honda, but none the less. take a look in the mirror... just cuz you own a nissan doesnt make you... YOU... any better than owning a honda.

be mad at the owners, not the cars.

chemano, get off your high horse and leave, your a troll 150%

[White Comet]

That's a great deal that his stock SR only cost 2500 to get in. He must have done the work himself I assume. BTW, 277 is a long way off from 350. Hey if he's making it happen then that's awesome. I can't say first hand about SR. I only know what tuner shops and info scattered around the web all point to. They all say around 280-300HP on the stock motor is the max. But hey I guess it's all in the tune

i know that 277 isnt near 350 but you said anything over 230hp and he'll need internals. he made 277 with the boost turned up and bolt ons and he'll make at least 300hp with stock internals still

[chemao]

he asked for an opinon on swaps and such, not on his car or previous car. if you didnt read, why should we?

Gave him my opinion -- teased him a little at the same time. So what? Get over it.

so many people have such a hate for honda... for what? we like nissan so much and they like honda. period. there are super riced out nissans out there and terrible/race happy drivers of nissans too. more common in honda, but none the less. take a look in the mirror... just cuz you own a nissan doesnt make you... YOU... any better than owning a honda.

LOL The fastest car I've ever worked on was a 1992 Honda Civic VX. It had a B18B that we blew up, then put a B18C and blew it up (Ran low 13's though!), put in an H22 which it still has in it. Fastest ET 11.89@108mph. Every car can be fast and look badass too. No hate for Honda here my man. It was all in good fun and hey look at all the attention the thread got HEHEHE. Seriously I'm laughing so hard right now.

chemano, get off your high horse and leave, your a troll 150%

This is so funny = The cool guys just read, laugh, and move on. Little turds with nothing better to do get worked up over nothing and perpetuate things. It's so funny. Hey BTW where do you live in MA? I'm moving to MA soon. You should let me buy you a beer and hang out some time. Then you'll see your opinions about me are highly misguided. PEACE!!

[chemao]

heres a whole list of parts you can use form usdm nissanshttp://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/59345parts are easily found. and i've never had any problems with my sr, even with the boost turned up. assuming an engine built for performance will break is not accurate at all. i dont know who u know that kills sr's but maybe their building them wrong

Yah I meant that you can't just go somewhere and pick up what you need -- you typically have to order and wait for it. BTW, it's not just SR motors. Anything with high power typically doesn't last as long as a stock vehicle, WITH some obvious exceptions (supra and anything with the LS/LT motors)

How much power are you putting down with your SR - just curious.