how many noob on here raving sr this sr that can pull of the entire swap themself before breaking something and have it replaced once or twice?!? most of them will take it to a shop for a swap, how much that end up!? then with that budget you're still stuck with the side-mount, let alone other electronics for managing the boost, etc. and then you are still stuck with limited power 200hp. you spent that same amount on the stock KA, you're already exceeding 350whp already.redtop91 wrote:
Disagreed. If you are patient and thoroughly research the swap and dont undertake it before you can complete it an $2500 SR swap is very manageable. Thats at least how much mine was (but I did the labor myself and with enough patience you can manage a clean swap) I'm putting down 210 to the wheels with a ghettofied STOCK KA exhaust Here's proof that with a plan a clean (and powerful) swap is possible.
exactly, that's basically a new turbo kit on top of the $ spent on the swap. trust me i know several friends that spent over $5k on their sr and still barely making 350whp. and they are persay "not noob" and know what they're doing.C-Kwik wrote:But for comparison's sake, you're making 210 WHP out of your SR for $2500. It's not bad if 210 WHP might be all you want. But what if you want some 350 WHP? With the SR, you're going to need to get a larger intercooler, a larger turbo, and upgrade the fuel system. With a typical KA turbo kit, 350 WHP is nor more than a fuel upgrade and boost controller(or even a stiffer wastegate spring) away.
For what I've spent on my motor I could buy two SR's sir so think twice!redtop91 wrote:I am an SR guy and I really look at the KA-T as (dont anyone get angry and call me a brat) as the Wal Mart brand of engine swaps, its the cheaper, quicker alternative. But I feel that those who really know where power production is at go SR.
Agreed. An SR motorset you'll never find for $1200. I don't recall saying that but if I did that was definitely wrong on my part. $1600 is about the lowest you'll find: http://www.jdmenginedepot.com/...id/39 I recommend finding an eBay powerseller if you are going to buy an SR. 1. Because they have an established identity which they don't want to lose or have soured so they won't skip out on you 2. Buying the product using paypal. I cannot stress this second one enough. Buying through paypal ensures that if you are stood up, Paypal will reimburse you in full AND as an added bonus (at least in my case) I got the money I was stood up for back and the SR that Paypal recovered from the guy Free SR FTW! Once again if you can do the swap yourself you are running about a $2200 tab at that point. Slap on an ebay front mount and an S15 T28 and you can make close to 310 WHP for around $3100 bucks from beginning to end. Correct me if I'm wrong but the forged pistons and rods for a KA that you will need will cost 1300 if you can do it yourself and if you can manage to find a KA Turbo kit for under $1800 you might have 30-40 more WHP than an SR but with a MASSIVE downtime, and unless done perfectly, a much less reliable motor.nelson8708 wrote:KA=TorqueSR=Revs and a little TQCA=RevsRB=Sex
redtop91 wrote:Once again if you can do the swap yourself you are running about a $2200 tab at that point.
The only reason why that is manageable is because the KA is a young engine thus most of the parts will have to be custom in some aspect and most of the KA-T guys I've met are brilliant mechanics or machinists that can whip up custom parts themselves, therefore at a discount. I really don't think the SR was all that hard of a swap. I am no guru of engines and their properties but I managed it solo with no real problems at the age of 17. All the kiddies that want an SR swap are driving up the price. In realistic terms (factoring in inflation and what not) both engines are equal in every aspect. Its all preference. I wanted a reliable daily driver with 300 whp by project completion. My SR will provide that in 800 dollars bringing the grand total to 3k. I didn't feel that I could get those numbers without sacrificing some reliability with the KA but I could have been wrong. I probably am biased though because I have done little to no research on the KA as it was in my 240 about a day and a half before I chucked it.WDRacing wrote:For 220RWHP I can build u a kit for under a grand. For that low of a number you don't even need a FMIC or any tuning. A stupid FMU, JGS mani and some piping...done. Can the SR20 be done for under a grand in your driveway with a simple set of tools...no it can't. There, now no more posts comparing price...its stupid.WD
haha. i was just about to say that. i think it started on the right foot, and then the dumb people came in and ****ed it up.WDRacing wrote:This thread is gay.
Ok bro...since you COMPLETELY missed the point of the post. You can use an FMU and I have never seen an injector fail because someone used one...EVER. There are all kinds of things that "could" happen. Are you going to tell me I can't make more the 200whp with a FMU? Cause I'll take that bet and you'll be paying me.Edub1 wrote:A low end KAT with no IC and only a FMU with stock injectors is only good for about 190 - 200HP. Plus, this will over drive the injectors to where you will be risking them crapping out and running you lean. Larger injectors and some engine management is the correct way to turbo.
LoL I like that quote! LoL but JDM is off the HoOK!Chezedik wrote:While your friends may like the JDM tyteness of SR, your mom likes it BIG!!! Choose KA24DET!!!
FJ24Tulsa_S-13 wrote:Oh and one last thing..... FJ20ET FTW!!!!!!
Yes you do!!!Craving4Boost wrote:Power = money and experience not Power = engine
Do I need to build a Geo Metro hell street machine to get this point out
Yes but you also must swap a twin turbo 13B into and make it reliable.Craving4Boost wrote:Power = money and experience not Power = engine
Do I need to build a Geo Metro hell street machine to get this point out
Ahem. *Sarcasm* AhemWDRacing wrote:Did you get struck by lightening for saying that? 13B and reliable shouldn't even be said together in the same week.
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