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I'm not sure who's more clueless... Piers Morgan or Howie.

Wait - Piers Morgan has an audience.

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Howie, did you tell Mr. Stern that his show should no longer be protected by the First Amendment yet? If not, what are you waiting for?

Or, could it be that you;re thinking., "Damn, I didn't think of that... I should really think before I let lefty pablum dribble from my chin."

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Interesting part about the US crime rate per capita, is the face that non violent drug crimes are lumped in with that stat. So if those numbers were removed it would be a much lower number.

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I don't usually dabble in this forum very often because I'm not usually very well read on the topics, but this one hits me at home. Note that I don't associate with one party or the other, I am split (like most folks) on each issue presented in the news, media, and government with no bias to party- mainly because I do not know which party sides with what for which reason. I prefer to keep it this way since the labels seem like nothing more than name calling anyway, but I digress as this thread isn't about party affiliation, I only wanted to introduce myself on this plane of discussion.

On any note, I was raised in a poor town of southern heritage which should make me a ‘gun nut’ by association. This being half true in that I am in favor of fire arms, but (shocker!) I do not currently own a firearm. However, I do feel that there should not be any discussion in the government on the legal possession of firearms. “This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.” While I wish that quote was conjured up by me, and that I can’t take credit for it, it simply expresses my view on the issue.

The constitution protects the right to own fire arms, regardless of how many people exercise the right and are in favor of it. The argument that I hear most often then turns to the type of gun. Most commonly the opposition states that AR’s aren’t necessary for the average citizen to own. However- there isn’t a strong enough argument to why I can’t own one. I have no arrests, cause no trouble, and have use guns in a legal manner. I fail to understand why it matters what type of gun choose to own. Personally, I’m not a huge fan of AR’s but that is solely because I prefer the feel of other types of fire arms; which translates into why others enthusiasts enjoy them over hand guns. I am glad guns are a HOBBY now, and not a means of revolution and constant war- as it previously was in our country and is currently in other. But I digress, back to the type of gun; very few people are out purchasing rocket launchers, grenade launchers, and Gatling guns. If the government dictates what type of gun I can own, where does it stop? Say we can’t own an AR because of the “large clip.” Well, what defines a large clip? Will the law also account for multi count shot gun shells? Will a 10 round clip in a .22 S&W become illegal?

The slope gets slippery from there as owners and proponents of fire arms begin to feel that their constitutional right to own firearms is threatened. The quote “pry it from my cold, dead hands” can quickly become a reality. They can/may/will potentially respond defending their constitutional rights by shooting the person sent to collect their gun. Again, the majority of folks against guns doesn’t constitute the ability to take away your rights as an American citizen. They can choose to give up their own as they please, but being forcefully introducing legislation given to us in a clearly stated, framed document isn’t acceptable. Democracy does not have a place here, the constitution is the foundation.

On any note, I’m not trying to say a revolution is eminent, and I want that no more than anyone else, but there are those folks who would rather go down fighting (in their eyes, they’ll be defending the constitution) than be a political prisoner. I’m not trying to stir a pot, I can’t tell you which side to stand on, but if the issue turns to disarming the people, it would become a large provocation and that some folks will take the definition of the constitution more seriously and literally (somehow, this make sense) than the government and defend it as such- and- they’ll be within their rights to do so.

The government should rethink the willingness to take our guns and stand by our constitution.

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I love reading stories like this

http://www.11alive.com/News/Odd/256361/ ... y=obinsite

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Cool story. He wasn't supposed to have the gun in the first place. He bought it on the street. All the gun ban laws apply to FFL's, not wannabe gangsters buying "a strap" from "their homies."

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telcoman wrote:I love reading stories like this
You would.

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telcoman wrote:I love reading stories like this

http://www.11alive.com/News/Odd/256361/ ... y=obinsite

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If your prurient little mind enjoys reading about male teen genitalia maybe you should head over to NAMBLA and spare us from your "witticisms".

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Goes right along with his racist jokes about Arabs, intolerance of anyone from the South, and disdain for people of faith.

Color me not surprised. :)

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If you need any additional jewelry you can get it here

A practical use for guns

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AZhitman wrote:Goes right along with his racist jokes about Arabs, intolerance of anyone from the South, and disdain for people of faith.

Color me not surprised. :)
You mean the ones that haven't graduated high school, don't believe in science, global warming, evolution,abortion, contraception, women's health, equal pay for equal work, forcing medically unnecessary probes into a women's vagina but cling to their guns and have lots of missing teeth?

Are those the people you are referring to :poke:

Obama care may help them?

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Oops

http://news.msn.com/us/2-hurt-in-accide ... -gun-show/

Not like these accidents could of killed any innocent people...

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And for ever accident you find coverage of, I will find an example where EVEN MORE people were saved by someone with a gun. You're not going to come out on top with this. These examples are people who have trained with their firearms at a range, know how to shoot, and are proficient at doing so. Which is what every gun owner truly wants. Safe firearm operators. For everyone that shoots themselves, there are millions more every day who carry concealed and have 0 incidents. Your argument is just as valid as me saying, "Let's rework driving, because of all the fatalities that occur during commutes."

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12598387

Man saves family from roadside robbery by shooting assailant.
WALTERBORO, SC (WCSC) -
WALTERBORO, SC (WCSC) - A wanted man is in critical condition in the hospital after he was shot during an alleged armed robbery.

Shortly before midnight Thursday, a 911 call came in to the Colleton County Sheriff's Office in reference to an attempted armed robbery and shooting that occurred near the intersection of McLeod Road and I-95 near mile marker 62.

When deputies arrived, they found three victims of a robbery attempt that stated they were traveling I-95 southbound in two separate vehicles, one pulling a U-Haul trailer. The vehicle pulling the trailer started having mechanical trouble, so they pulled off onto the exit ramp at McLeod Road in Colleton County near Walterboro.

They called for a tow truck and proceeded to transfer the U-Haul trailer from the disabled vehicle to the second vehicle. One of the female victims was standing by her vehicle and her daughter stood near the other vehicle and trailer while her husband trying to wire the trailer lights into his truck.

At that time, a silver-colored sedan pulled up occupied by three individuals and a male subject, later identified as David Jayquon Jakes, 19, exited the back seat and pointed a large caliber handgun at one of the women.

The victims said Jakes was covering his face with a cloth of some type and started ordering her as he referred to her as "pretty lady." At that time, the woman's son-in-law stood up from behind his vehicle and she ran to her daughter as they took cover.

Her son-in-law was armed and drew his weapon and ordered them to leave several times. As Jakes turned and pointed his large caliber weapon, the son-in-law fired several rounds striking Jakes who then fell to the ground and dropped his weapon.

The two subjects in the suspect vehicle helped the wounded Jakes back into their vehicle and fired several rounds back at the victim and then drove away.

A short time later, the Colleton Regional Hospital staff notified the Sheriff's Office that they just had an individual come in to their emergency room with several gun shot wounds. The individual fit the general description of Jakes and other information was collected indicating that he believed to be the same person.

Jakes was transferred to a Charleston-area hospital where he was last reported to be in critical condition. The recovered weapon presented by Jakes at the scene was recovered and found to be reported to NCIC as a stolen weapon.

The incident is still under investigation but deputies obtained warrants charging Jakes with three counts of attempted armed robbery, three counts of assault with the intent to kill, one count of possessing a stolen firearm and one count of possessing a weapon during a violent crime.

The male victim of the robbery attempt that fired in self-defense just recently returned from the Middle East as an Army Specialist and had a Concealed Weapons Permit to carry his weapon.

No charges are pending against him at this time and none are anticipated to be filed against him, said officials.

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71 Year old man saves a cafe full of people from armed robbers with his concealed weapon.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/bl ... ng-robbers

There's a video on that page. Watch it.

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Here's a good website, http://www.gunssavelives.net

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/f ... homa-city/
According to police a female homeowner and a friend of the homeowner were facing a perilous situation when 5 men tried to gain access to the home.

The female homeowner grabbed her gun and opened fire, striking one of the suspects.

At some point, for reasons unknown, a friend of the homeowner who was in the home used the gun to shoot another of the would be home invaders.

The two shot suspects were taken to an area hospital and are in critical condition.

It is unclear if the other three suspects were apprehended.



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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/v ... -hospital/
A homeowner in Indiana was forced to defend himself when 2 men burst into his home earlier this week.

The homeowner grabbed a gun, shot both men and held one of the men at gunpoint until police arrived.

The second suspect got away, but was found by police hiding in an abandoned house nearby.

Both suspects are being treated at area hospitals and are expected to recover from their wounds.
Also a video on that page.

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/t ... ce-arrive/
A TX homeowner refused to be a victim when someone tried to burglarize his home.

The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and confronted the thief.

The homeowner held the suspect at gunpoint until police arrived.

The entire incident was captured on security camera, which you can view at the KSAT.com link at the bottom of this article.

http://www.ksat.com/news/Homeowner-conf ... index.html

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/v ... -at-large/
When 2 men broke into a home in Florida they were in for a surprise.

One of the would be intruders was shot and killed by the homeowner while the other suspect fled the scene.

Police say the second suspect is still at large and are asking for the public’s help to find him.

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local ... -at-large/
Also a video on that page. Watch that too.

Do I need to keep going?

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I think I will, just because you guys will never get it.

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/v ... -captured/
A gas station clerk in FL was tipped off by a homeless man that 2 men outside of his store were about to try and rob it.

The two men burst into the store before the clerk could call 911.

According to the clerk, the men came in firing their guns and that is when the clerk defended himself with lethal force.

The clerk drew his own weapon and exchanged gunfire with the would be robbers. One of the suspects was struck by the gunfire and died of his injuries.

The second suspect was caught nearby and taken into custody by police.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Clerk-Shoo ... 18911.html
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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/v ... residents/
This one's close to home for me. Glad I'm armed as well. Also has a video.
When a man tried to break into an east Tennessee home in the middle of the night the homeowners were very glad to have a gun to protect themselves.

The determined intruder was breaking through glass with his bare hands and almost got into the home.

The homeowner, who said he did not want to kill anyone, fired a warning shot to slow down the intruder until police arrived to arrest the suspect

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/20574246/ea ... -residents

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/w ... ot-at-her/
A woman in VA found herself in a battle for her life when 2 armed men burst into her home in the middle of the day.

The woman was able to surprise the 2 men when she drew her own gun though.

The would be home invaders fired on the homeowner first and then the homeowner returned fire, firing 2 shots at the men, who then fled the scene.

Authorities launched a massive manhunt in the area, but the men remain at large.

The woman, whose name is currently being withheld, was not harmed.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... ck_check=1

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/g ... n-shotgun/
A homeowner in GA came home to find a man in his home armed with a shotgun.

The homeowner drew a derringer style pistol he had in his pocket and told the suspect to drop the gun.

The suspect complied and the homeowner picked up the shotgun and attempted to hold the would be burglar at gunpoint until police arrived, but the suspect charged him, so the homeowner shot him once in the chest with the shotgun.

The suspect was taken to an area hospital where he is listed in critical condition.

“I hit him,” said the homeowner. “I knew I did. I meant to.”

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/2055747 ... ts-burglar

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The thing that kills me about you gun grabbers is the fact that you are LITERALLY screaming to Obama, "Please, take my rights away!" Blows my mind that you are asking to have your personal right to own something taken away. It's the same as if I were to petition for more stringent emissions laws or stricter importation laws. Absolutely ludicrous.

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/v ... is-mother/
It was after hours when two armed men barged into the backdoor of a pharmacy in California.

The men made no demands and simply began shooting at the owner and his mother.

The owner and his mother took cover behind a counter and the owner managed to grab a gun he keeps in the store and return fire.

One of the men was struck multiple times.

When the owner returned fire, the pair fled. The suspect who was shot made it a short distance down the block before collapsing. He later died of his injuries at an area hospital.

Police are still searching for the second suspect. They believe the incident was most likely an attempted robbery.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?secti ... id=8948286
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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/d ... h-old-son/
A new dad in Ohio had just parked his car at his brother house when a man with a pistol approached him and demanded money.

The dad put his son, who he was carrying in his carseat, behind him to shield him from the assailant.

The suspect put his gun to the dad’s head and as the dad was handing over his cash, he also drew a gun (he is a concealed carry permit holder) and aimed it at the suspect.

The suspect then started to run away upon seeing the gun, but turned back towards the father and aimed his weapon at him. Fearing for his life, the dad took aim and fired one shot, striking the suspect.

Some time later a man matching the suspect’s description showed in an area hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound.

The man is under police guard while he undergoes treatment.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... -shot.html

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http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/f ... rage-then/
Why was this not covered in 2010 when it occurred?

Apparently a man armed with 2 firearms entered a Tennessee school in 2010, held a gun to the principal’s head and began asking where the fire alarm was.

Fortunately the school’s armed resource officer was nearby and managed to draw her weapon, hold the man at gunpoint and allow the principal to escape to safety.

When other officers arrived on the scene the gunman pointed his weapon at the officers prompting the resource officer and the other 2 officers to open fire on the gunman.

He died of his injuries at an area hospital.

No students or staff were harmed thanks to an immediate armed response being available at the school.

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9025899
Good question. Why wasn't it covered? And better yet, why would it still not have been covered today?

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A homeowner in Colorado successfully fought off 3 would be home invaders.

The homeowner said three men burst into his home and that’s when he grabbed his .357 revolver that he keeps close at hand.

He fired at one suspect, hitting him in the chest.

A second suspect managed to grab his arm as he was about to fire again, causing the second suspect to get shot in his leg.

At that point the would be robbers fled the scene, but stopped nearby due to their injuries.

The suspect who was shot in the chest is in critical condition at an area hospital while the suspect who was shot in the leg is in stable condition.

The homeowner says he keeps his gun close at hand due to deteriorating conditions in his neighborhood.

http://www.krdo.com/news/Police-Homeown ... index.html
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And what's even more asinine than this, is the fact that people are going to stand by the fact that guns are dangerous for regular people to own, even after being presented with these facts and actual happenings, not just theoretical "What if someone.......(insert common misconception here.)"

Absolutely blows my mind that just because you don't exercise your right to bear arms, you would have it taken away from everyone entirely. Talk about selfishness.

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