How To: 5 Speed Swap in Convertibles (and other S13s)

Post by **top_secret** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:50 pm

s14 shafts won't work on S13s. ABS shafts will work on non abs cars and vice versa, there is enough play in it that the 1/2" difference doesn't matter. the transmission end of the automatic driveshaft is different than on the manual transmission, or so I am told. I have an automatic s13 driveshaft here at the house but I can't get rid of it cause it isn't a 5 speed one.

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Post by **jonesbplayer** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:17 am

I was reading the trans swap instructions ad i noticed something that went unanswered. Everyone who has done the swap, were you able to unbolt the trans from the engine without pulling the whole thing? I wanna know before i decided to pull the trans and do the AT/MT swap.

Post by **top_secret** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:33 am

yes you can my advice is to undo the tranny mounts, remove the shifter, and jack up the tail end of the tranny as far as you can to tilt the engine forward a bit so you can get to the top bolts from above. its far easier this way. alternatively if you have access to long extensions use an impact wrench and a couple feet of extensions, this will get many of the bolts that seemed un reachable.

I've done it a few times with 5 spds and I think the same technique would work with autos.

Post by **Hijacker** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:38 pm

personally, i pull the whole motor out when i do autos. I hate having to get the torque converter out while the motor's still in the car. plus it eliminates the "crap! auto trans fluid is dripping on me!" factor.

Long extensions will help immensely in getting the top 2 or 3 bolts undone. Also, if you're doing this to an SR, be wary that the bolts can be fused to the block. By which I mean that the aluminum has expanded and contracted around the bolt in such a way that it was a literal death grip on the bolts.

Post by **RPS13.5** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:38 pm

5 speeeeeeeed!!!

Post by **mzdafrk** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:52 pm

this is my first post, but I have a little info on the subject, I hope it helps.

If you do a tranny swap, you need a manual driveline, the output shafts are differant sizes and they wont work.

also the three plugs on the side of the fuse box, it is the middle one like said before, if you go under the fuse box, right where those 3 plugs are you will see the other plug that you have to loop, a lot of people get this plug and the plug on the other side that is grey with the white and black/yelow wire confused, those wires are your signal wire to the starter.

I have only done the swap while doing a sr swap, so the wiring is a little differant, you don't have the wires that come of those 3 plugs at all, they are taken out with the tranny. and the manual doesn't have them. so you just have to be creative, I hope that helps.I wish I would have found this post before I did my first one, it would have made things a lot easier. Damn trial and error... lol

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:42 am

Bump for Streetvision Garage!

Post by **Eikon** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:04 am

Question about wiring...

Is it necessary to get a 5 spd transmission wiring harness? I've been advised to get one, but they are hard to come up with. I also haven't read any 5 spd swap guides that list the wiring harness as a necessity.

Here's a pic of the trans showing the wires and sensors that are attached.

Just trying to figure out if I need new wiring or if I can just modify the existing... I am leaning toward the latter, but someone who has done the swap already told me to get a 5spd lower harness...

Thanks guys!

Post by **Malac0da13** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:42 am

the drive shaft from a hatchback will werk with a coupe right?

Post by **nitefyre1** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:10 am

Get the manual transmission wiring harness. I got mine at the local salvage yard.

Post by **RPS13.5** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:25 pm

Do I need to swap the starter or they both use the same? Also what if I use the automatic ECU with the 5 speed would it work? Just because its 7000red line.

Post by **madcowvert** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:56 am

yes the auto ecu will work and i belive you need a 5spd stater

Post by **Hijacker** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:33 am

RPS13.5 wrote:Do I need to swap the starter or they both use the same? Also what if I use the automatic ECU with the 5 speed would it work? Just because its 7000red line.

Auto and Manual starters are different

Post by **Eikon** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:51 am

k... i don't get it.

Why are the starters different from auto to manual trans? What makes them different? Why do you have to swap them out? When you swap them, do you need new belts or wires or otherwise?

There are so many small things that never get covered in a 5spd swap how to thread.

Post by **drifterz73** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:20 am

ok i have a problem... just pulled clutch pedal from old car to get ready for the 5sp swap to other car... and noticed to plugs on the clutch pedal, are these necessary to use when installing in the automatic car... cause i dont see these on the wiring from the auto... do i have to wire these into the auto or can i leave them off...... please help asap..thanx....

Post by **Malac0da13** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:30 pm

did the clutch come from a car with cruise control cuz thats what its prolly for

Post by **madcowvert** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:09 pm

Eikon wrote:k... i don't get it.

Why are the starters different from auto to manual trans? What makes them different? Why do you have to swap them out? When you swap them, do you need new belts or wires or otherwise?

There are so many small things that never get covered in a 5spd swap how to thread.

starters are plug and play and have no belts

Post by **Malac0da13** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:19 pm

i hope he meant bolts and not belts but the E and O r so far apart lol

Post by **slownslurious** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:52 pm

2 switches on clutch? sure you aren't looking at the brake pedal? at any rate there is 1 switch on the clutch its the starter interlock so you have to push in the clutch to start it. recommended that you wire it up in case any stupid technician etc ever drives your car.. I left mine off though just be sure to leave it in neutral when you park it.

Post by **madcowvert** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:08 am

no i meant what i said your starter has no belts its in the rear of the tranny bell housing.

Post by **RPS13.5** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:36 pm

starters from the automatic is the same for the manual tranny. I already swap my auto to manual tranny and the starter works with the manual tranny.

Post by **slownslurious** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:56 pm

yeah thats what I thought autozone lists the same part #.

Post by **tumolt** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:58 pm

Will a 95 Silvia 5 speed work in a 93 vert? I am thinking about buying the car and want to know what if it will work. Thanks, Matt

Post by **xxyournoonexx** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:44 pm

So exactly what plugs/sensors will plug in when swapped. I'm not 100 percent sure which ones they are. I know some need to be spliced and hacked...

Post by **xxyournoonexx** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:47 pm

I'm confused about 1 thing (go laurens education) what does he mean by caniblize? And what wires need to be done?

Post by **gbking420** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:31 pm

i noticed your from va i live in richmond and i was wondering if you know of any places where i could get the 5spd swap done and or get an sr20 swap done because im new to the area and just learning about cars

Post by **kings88** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:50 pm

i heard you could use the auto tranny cross member for the 5 speed. Is that true or no? If not, anyone got one they can sell me?

Post by **xxyournoonexx** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:04 am

I've herd of it being used, but I don't think it's possible. Try a junkyard somehwere. Shouldn't be TOO hard to find. only thing is actually getting it off the car.

Does anyone know exactly what size drill-bit or what size hole need to be done for the clutch master cylinder? I need to know.

Post by **Didderson** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:34 am

Ok, I'm having trouble with the reverse lights wiring. I've done what was said earlier: wire the green/white and green/blue wires to the 5 spd reverse sensor and it wont turn on (now, does the engine have to be running for them to turn on? cuz i just have the ignition turned on since I can't get out that'd let the clutch out... and I haven't seen the light heh)One other problem I'm running into is, does the fact that the "O/d off" light on my instrument cluster flashes, does that inhibit my engine from starting at all?

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