Help me with my Exhaust!!!

[Theiranman69]

ok so i'm running strait pipes right now, and i love the sound! its loud and sounds amazing!!! but ppl are starting to complain about how loud it is. so i was wondering what could i do to make it quieter but keep the same sound?? i know a muffler will do the trick but what kind? Easiest i think would be a universal Muffler that looks like the Greddy Ti-C but i don't know if i'd like the sound. Any ideas??

[CoupeVQ35CVT]

No! Don't get a fart can to reduce the noise. I will personally book a business class round trip ticket to your town and then point to your car and make fun of it!

Instead, look into a large resonator. Something like 24-27" should do the trick. That is assuming you have the 3.5 which does not come with a resonator. If you have a 2.5... get a big resonator anyway. It will reduce the annoying weedwacker rasp and tone it down some. A resonator will have no effect on the exhaust flow as it's straight through, like your exhaust is currently, as opposed to a traditional muffler.

[Theiranman69]

yea i've got the 3.5, we'll see what happens.. i'm really starting to careless about what other ppl think. i really love the sound

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

Hey Nima, ive had my straight pipes for like a week now..and i just got a warning light on my dash saying service engine soon yesterday..do you have this too? i think its just because of the emmision control, but im just wondering

[CoupeVQ35CVT]

If all you did was remove the muffler, then there shouldn't really be any reason for the engine light to go ON. Unless you removed the main 2 catalytic converters (the 3rd one is not metered)? Weird.

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

o wow that sucks cause i only removed my muffler...im gona wait like a day and hopefully the light will reset..if not ill take it back to the shop to get it looked at..im not gona go to the dealership right away

[blackteam02]

I have 6 words for you dude, " Get The ARTISAN Exhaust! " (peep my vids.)

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

yea just in case something is wrong i definitely cant go back to stock now..so im thinking about the new greddy SE but thats really expensive..so if i do buy one soon im deciding between nismo and artisan

[Theiranman69]

hey meet up with me sometime this week and i'll check it out.

[6SpdAltima_Coupe]

i might go to brandon again tomorrow night so you can check it out there, but im not sure if i can go yet

[Hussain]

i have the solution to everyone's problem (well, not really lol) go with an electronic exhaust cut-out. my cat-back is actually pretty loud but it has a different sound from 2k RPMs to about 4k or 5k it sounds a lot like a G35 but a little meaner. but thats pretty much my cruising sound. if i want my race sound or my "hey! look at my loud car!" sound, i just open up the cut-out. real easy, just hit a switch inside the car. if you guys really care about taking it to the dealership, buy the racingline Y-pipe and a cut-out. get the cut-out mounted on the Y-pipe and when ever you go to the dealer, just unbolt it and bolt the stock y-pipe.

i love my cut-out! i have all the pros of going straight piped but with none of the draw backs.... oh and if people are complaining about it being too loud INSIDE the car, just put some sound deadening. i need to put some, my exhaust rattles s*** almost as bad as having my cut-out open.

[Theiranman69]

yea i would be going tomorrow but its my little bros bday. and i have taken my car to the dealership, even with my straight pipes, everybody just kinda watched in awe... i'm not gonna lie, it was pretty cool

but i'm seriously starting to consider something like the Ti-C mufflers and getting them welded on to my custom Y-pipe... just a thought.

[Throckmorton]

i have the solution to everyone's problem (well, not really lol) go with an electronic exhaust cut-out. my cat-back is actually pretty loud but it has a different sound from 2k RPMs to about 4k or 5k it sounds a lot like a G35 but a little meaner. but thats pretty much my cruising sound. if i want my race sound or my "hey! look at my loud car!" sound, i just open up the cut-out. real easy, just hit a switch inside the car. if you guys really care about taking it to the dealership, buy the racingline Y-pipe and a cut-out. get the cut-out mounted on the Y-pipe and when ever you go to the dealer, just unbolt it and bolt the stock y-pipe.

i love my cut-out! i have all the pros of going straight piped but with none of the draw backs.... oh and if people are complaining about it being too loud INSIDE the car, just put some sound deadening. i need to put some, my exhaust rattles s*** almost as bad as having my cut-out open.

Sounds ( pun intended ) to me as if you have a partial solution to the fiscal problems facing California. You say that you “have the pros of going straight piped but with none of the draw backs…”

I have a draw back for you…your modification is illegal in California. Arnold “The Governator” Schwarzenegger will be very happy to spend your traffic citation money to help balance the state budget.

Check this out:

California Vehicle Code Division 12 - Equipment of Vehicles

Article 2 § § 27150-27158.5 Exhaust Systems

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd12c5a2.htm

Adequate Muffler Required

27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.

Modification of Exhaust Systems

27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.

And, after receiving a citation for improper exhaust, this is what you must do:

27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.

The station, after inspecting your car, will issue a certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system, IF your car passes inspection.

According to CHP, this is a very expensive citation, and vehicle inspection.

When you are cited for violating this section of the California Vehicle Code, keep us updated.

Arnold thanks you in advance.

[Hussain]

its not very expensive, its $35. you get sent to ref (i've had people get sent there for being on the streets with off road modifications). that's really interesting though, i've never heard of the cut-out being illegal and ive gone to a few muffler shops and all of them said they never heard of it being illegal. but IMO it could be interpreted as no bypass open on the streets. i mean, taking off 2 bolts on our cars from the factory could bypass the exhaust but obviously you wont get stopped for stock exhaust unless you do take off those 2 bolts (open the bypass). it's something i would like to look into because when i first got it, my honest intention wasnt for the streets. i thought it was a pain in the a** to get under my car and take off the bolts at the track and i even ruined a couple shirts doing it lol

but i still think the cut-out is a better option then going straight piped. if for some reason you get in trouble for your cut-out (which i never heard of anyone unless they had it open, acting stupid in front of a cop) and you have the racingline Y-pipe or something similar, you could just swap out the modified Y-pipe with the cut-out on it for the factory one and pay $35 and everything is good again.... no points on your record or anything

[Throckmorton]

its not very expensive, its $35. you get sent to ref (i've had people get sent there for being on the streets with off road modifications). that's really interesting though, i've never heard of the cut-out being illegal and ive gone to a few muffler shops and all of them said they never heard of it being illegal. but IMO it could be interpreted as no bypass open on the streets.

but i still think the cut-out is a better option then going straight piped. if for some reason you get in trouble for your cut-out (which i never heard of anyone unless they had it open, acting stupid in front of a cop) and you have the racingline Y-pipe or something similar, you could just swap out the modified Y-pipe with the cut-out on it for the factory one and pay $35 and everything is good again.... no points on your record or anything

You are sort of correct when you say it is not too expensive, if you consider less than $200.00 plus the cost of the referee station inspection not too expensive.

I obtained this information from the Superior Court of California, County of Sacramento website:

http://www.saccourt.ca.gov/tra....aspx

Each violation listed on a citation is assessed a base fine. In addition to the base fine, there are additional assessments added to make up the total fine amount due to the court. The total fine amount due can also be increased by priors or points on a person's driving record. The amounts shown below are applicable to Sacramento County and may not apply to other counties.

VC 27150(A and B) Adequate muffler required

Base Fine 25.00 Penalty Assessment 66.99 St. Ct. Fac.Const.(ICNA) 6.00Night Court fee 1.00DMV Fee 10.0020% Criminal Surcharge 5.00Criminal Conviction Assessment 35.00 Court Security Fee 30.00Total Fine Due $178.99

This does not include the cost to inspect your car at the referee station.

You now know what the law is in your State. Yes, regardless of what you were told at a muffler shop, cut outs are illegal.

Now that you know, you can decide if you want to take the chance of getting caught. I seriously doubt if any of those muffler shops will pay the citation and all those add on fees for you.

The choice is yours.

Be safe, Leonard T.

[Hussain]

i didn't know about all that. but everyone i know with a cut-out thats been pulled over, the cops never look under the car in my area (some some other places ive heard something about a cop putting a mirror under your car to check). ive gotten pulled over before and i had my cut-out open and everything, cop didnt check anything. i guess it all depends on what kind of cop you get. but in my opinion its no worse then having a intake (none of the intakes have CARB numbers yet, that i know of), or Y-pipe (it deletes the cat), headers (the 2.5s headers from stillen arnt street legal), or straight piped, or the whole Turbo system. pretty much every performance mod for our cars except exhaust and maybe pulley (idk if the pulley is or not) are illegal.

[dldjros69]

WHO CARES - GO BOTHER THE CLOWNS ON NISSANCLUB.

[Throckmorton]

i didn't know about all that. but everyone i know with a cut-out thats been pulled over, the cops never look under the car in my area (some some other places ive heard something about a cop putting a mirror under your car to check). ive gotten pulled over before and i had my cut-out open and everything, cop didnt check anything. i guess it all depends on what kind of cop you get. but in my opinion its no worse then having a intake (none of the intakes have CARB numbers yet, that i know of), or Y-pipe (it deletes the cat), headers (the 2.5s headers from stillen arnt street legal), or straight piped, or the whole Turbo system. pretty much every performance mod for our cars except exhaust and maybe pulley (idk if the pulley is or not) are illegal.

“but in my opinion its no worse then having a intake”…………That should not only impress the cop who writes you the citation, but it should have a positive impact on the judge should you go to court.

What is your defense going to be when you roll up on one of these inspections?

Roadside Inspection--Smog Control Stickers2814. Every driver of a passenger vehicle shall stop and submit the vehicle to an inspection of the mechanical condition and equipment of the vehicle at any location where members of the California Highway Patrol are conducting tests and inspections of passenger vehicles and when signs are displayed requiring such stop. After you fail the roadside inspection, this is what might happen next:

Notice to Correct Violation40610. (a) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), if, after an arrest, accident investigation, or other law enforcement action, it appears that a violation has occurred involving a registration, license, all-terrain vehicle safety certificate, or mechanical requirement of this code, and none of the disqualifying conditions set forth in subdivision (b) exist and the investigating officer decides to take enforcement action, the officer shall prepare, in triplicate, and the violator shall sign, a written notice containing the violator’s promise to correct the alleged violation and to deliver proof of correction of the violation to the issuing agency.

And this one:

Proof of Correction40150. Whenever any vehicle or combination of vehicles is found to be in an unsafe mechanical condition or is not equipped as required by this code, and a notice to appear is issued or a complaint filed for such violation, the notice to appear or the complaint may require that the person to whom the notice to appear is issued or against whom the complaint is filed shall produce in court satisfactory evidence that the vehicle or its equipment has been made to conform with the requirements of this code.

Noise Limits for Vehicles

27206. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any other motor vehicle, not specified in this article, manufactured:

Built After 1974 ...........................................................................................80 dba

Your comment “but in my opinion its no worse then having a intake (none of the intakes have CARB numbers yet, that i know of), or Y-pipe (it deletes the cat), headers….”

CARB, do you really want to run afoul of CARB? Go to the CARB website:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm and learn that those people do not play games, and it gets very, very expensive if you are caught violating their regulations.

Again, I obtained this information for the California Department of Motor Vehicles Website: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm

Check for yourself what the laws are. Ignorance of the law is not a defense or excuse.

[Throckmorton]

WHO CARES - GO BOTHER THE CLOWNS ON NISSANCLUB.

When Hussain said "i have the solution to everyone's problem (well, not really lol) go with an electronic exhaust cut-out...."

I have proven by quoting the law of his state that he is incorrect in his statement.

I am sorry if facts bother you, but this is how I operate. I am going to reply when someone posts something that I think I can prove is incorrect.

Tell me, what have I posted in this thread that is incorrect, or factually wrong? Show me, and I will correct my mistake.

I see your mods.. - "Debadged, Eibachs, Bumper Plugs, K&N Wai, STS, Stillen header."

This is from the Pennsylvania Motor Vehicle Code:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/d....html

175.75. Exhaust systems.(a) Condition of exhaust system. All components of the exhaust system shall be in safe operating condition as described in § 175.80 (relating to inspection procedure). (b) Exhaust system requirements. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be constructed, equipped, maintained and operated to prevent engine exhaust gases from penetrating and collecting in any part of the vehicle occupied by the driver or a passenger, in addition to requirements of this title for an emission control system and smoke control for a diesel-powered vehicle. (1) A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with a muffler or other effective noise-suppressing system in good working order and in constant operation. A muffler or exhaust system may not be equipped with a cutout, bypass or similar device and a muffler may not show evidence of external repair. (2) The exhaust system of a vehicle may not be modified in a manner which will amplify or increase noise emitted by the motor of a vehicle above the maximum level permitted by Chapter 157 (relating to established sound levels). (3) Headers and side exhaust are permitted if the vehicle meets the requirements of this section.

You should be thankful that PA doesn't have as strict emission laws as CA has.

The header is legal, but I could not find anything in the law about your bumper plugs. I would have to assume that they are legal.

[Hussain]

look a** hole, i didnt come on here to fight with ppl. the guy went straight piped and was thinking about a solution to quiet it down. if he went straight piped, its just as illegal as a cut-out so he obviously doesnt care about the legalities and just wants to solve his issue of how to make it quieter but by still keeping the sound and a cut-out would solve his problem.

i dont give a s*** what happens when i get pulled over or go to court or what ever. ppl have illegal modifications, no need to single me out. intake is just as illegal. last i checked we wernt in court right now so i could say what ever defense i want. like others have said, f*** off!

WHO CARES - GO BOTHER THE CLOWNS ON NISSANCLUB.

[Hussain]

Tell me, what have I posted in this thread that is incorrect, or factually wrong? Show me, and I will correct my mistake.

everything you have posted is incorrect because it is in the WRONG SECTION. the OP did not create a thread asking about the legality of modifications, he asked how to solve his issue and i replied with a solution. so if you want to correct your mistake, delete all your comments and create a thread about the legality of modifications.

[dldjros69]

Tell me, what have I posted in this thread that is incorrect, or factually wrong? Show me, and I will correct my mistake.

Im just sick of your s**t, just like everybody else.

I cant wait til you f with the wrong person and get yourself banned. Ive been here long enough to see people like you come and go. Guess what ill still be here. (lol i just sounded like matt)

but i wont fuel your fire anymore.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Play nice fellas... the hammer is always in hand....

[Throckmorton]

Hussain,

Correct me if I am wrong, or if I misunderstood your comment “no need to single me out” Aren’t you the one who singled yourself out with your comment “i have the solution to everyone's problem (well, not really lol) go with an electronic exhaust cut-out….” That is a bold statement, I dare say.

I simply replied to your comments, and proved that your “solution” was illegal in your state, and I provided documentation to proved my case. Your comment “everything you have posted is incorrect …“ is incorrect itself. Please prove me wrong. Nothing I have posted is incorrect, every word is factual, and can be proven by referring to the website links provided. Do you for a minute think that I made up all the information I provided you? Don’t take my word for it, look at the websites, read the information and tell me if I am wrong.

Dldjros69 “Im just sick of your s**t, just like everybody else”

I am sorry that factual information makes you ill. When I am feeling ill, Pepto Bismol helps me, it might work for you too. I would take that comment to mean that you don’t ever want to read a post that does not mirror your thoughts, or your point of view, or the views of people on this thread who agree with you.

In your case, I showed that your headers are legal in your state of Pennsylvania, and this offended you? I assume that you too are sick of factual information being posted.

Am I correct in my assessment of your comment?

What does this comment mean? “I cant wait til you f with the wrong person and get yourself banned. Ive been here long enough to see people like you come and go…”

Who is “the wrong person”? Could one also be banned for upsetting the “right person’?

My comments do not contain words or phrases that would be inappropriate if spoken in a house of worship. I do not use words or phrases that demean a persons race, religion, or sexual preference. I don’t use words such as stupid, moron, or idiot, or words that the FCC has banned from the airways. Unfortunately, the same can not be said of your comments.

Why would posting factual information get a person banned from this forum?

Maybe I am wrong, but I was under the impression that this forum was for all points of view, am I correct?

If you only want to read comments that are like minded to yours, with no discussion or dissention, maybe you should check out this website:

Social Networking Sites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...sites

Find one or more sites, sign up and communicate.

As I have said, I don’t care if or how you modify your car. After all, you are making the payments.

I feel people who modify their cars should check out the motor vehicle laws of their state before they run afoul of the law, irregardless of what some say.

I just wanna play nice....that hammer would leave a mark.

Leonard T.

[Hussain]

he wasnt asking for a legal solution, he was asking for a solution to the noise while keeping the sound he wants so i suggested a solution. he already went illegal with the straight pipes and obviously does not care about the legality of things. so no need to try and say what is illegal and what isnt legal. dldjros69 just said leave people alone and you started saying which of his modification were legal and illegal. he didnt ask for your legal advice or for your input on modifications. this is not the place to discuss legal stuff. this is a thread about someones exhaust and how to make it quieter without losing the sound. it has nothing to do with legal so your comments are not valid in this thread.

[CoupeVQ35CVT]

Kids...calm down.

I still say go the resonator route, it will help get the rascally rasp out of your car's system, and tone the noise level down some. The longer the better.Just get one that matches the existing piping diameter. I think Dynamax Bullet muffler/resonator (whatever you wish to call it) sell for $40-70 for 12" to 18". I have one in my Sentra, and it helped get rid of most of the rasp I got from installing a header.

And give Throckmorton a break. Actually he does make a point, even if it wasn't asked for. Nobody's forcing you to read his post, and he's not attacking anyone, just pointing out some facts, which I did find helpful. I'm glad I don't live in Cali. Geez what a nightmare if you mod and do it wrong.

[Hussain]

he's not attacking anyone?

“but in my opinion its no worse then having a intake”…………That should not only impress the cop who writes you the citation, but it should have a positive impact on the judge should you go to court.

What is your defense going to be when you roll up on one of these inspections?

that seems like some attacking to me. i did not have any issues with his previous posts because he was just letting me know. then i said how many people on here have illegal mods and the OP already went straight piped. then he responds with s*** like that. i gave him respect and never said anything bad until he started in with comments like the ones above.

[CoupeVQ35CVT]

he's not attacking anyone?

that seems like some attacking to me. i did not have any issues with his previous posts because he was just letting me know. then i said how many people on here have illegal mods and the OP already went straight piped. then he responds with s*** like that. i gave him respect and never said anything bad until he started in with comments like the ones above.

Hmm I reread it and it looks like a question to me, directed at you probably. Still don't see why you need to get upset over. I blame your younger age! Haha. I give up. People get offended far too easily at silly stuff over the internet and otherwise.

[Theiranman69]

Oh woah.... umm thanks all you guys, but i think i'm just going to build my own exhaust... and i'm going to make it as much Ti-C as i can, but for about half the price, yea that's prolly what i'll do.