ground kits

[soxypoo]

hi guys and girlsstillen drounding kits is on sale for 85 ... what do u guys think ??? i want to put the kit in my car , i just don't know what brand to get thank you

[surmanm]

zerothread/345479 hes a good guy....

Altima 07+ (Coupe and Sedan)

3.5L Kit

$55- 7 wires

2.5L Kit

$50- 5 wires

[Blackmobile]

$45 from racingline:http://racinglineperformance.c...ry=20

[BlackMamba08]

$45 from racingline:http://racinglineperformance.c...ry=20

OP has a 3.5. there's an additional $8 for the 3.5 + shipping brings the total to about $66 shipped...

[SneakyFish]

go with what surmanm has posted. i have that kit and love it!

[dangeris]

I agree with all the above posts. It's a matter of preference and remember..don't expect HP gains. This is just maximizing the electrical path of least resistance.

[LinkNuc]

Agreed its really just for looks, it doesn't do anything, but it looks cool.

[Rob.Vegan]

Unless you're drawing major amounts of electricity (lights everywhere, epic AV system, and the like) you won't see much of a gain if any at all.

I have Sentient's kit and it looks beautiful but I don't have much exra draw on my electrical output so I didn't see any gains

[Beak]

it does a lot bro!! its not gonna give you hp increses like people think. but your electrical system will be running at a more optimal state. ECU, ABS, TCS, VDC, spark plugs, ect will be running at a more prime level... so its a little more that just looks. just dont expect more hp... especialy on a manual transmission

if a bone stock a/c and an a/c with only a gound kit race with same driver (hypothetical) the one with the kit will allways pull due to electical superiority. its pretty simple to understand... especialy if you are an engineer

[LinkNuc]

Sorry I have to say it KOOL-AID! Wow. I also noticed a trend the lower the age, the more the placebo effect sets in (22).

[Sentientbydesign]

Just about every CVT A/C I've sold one to got 2+ MPG increase in fuel economy. Most of them noticed that audio sounded clearer and the CVT would allow them to stay in power instead of shifting.

No Kool-aid here boys.

I DO NOT recommend these for the 6mt vehicles because, 5-7 wires is NOT going to make your feet and right hand shift any differently. Audio and other electrical components might work better, but most of the time those aspects are after thoughts.

Be sure to compare what Racingline, Stillen,..etc are giving you. Their designs are usually not optimal and just waste good copper.

[Beak]

ive noticed a trend in the older croud(31) that they will never budge on their narrow minded opinions. at that age you should have learned to look at everything from a different agnle. not just head on... but hey... agree to disagree.

[dldjros69]

ive noticed a trend in the older croud(31) that they will never budge on their narrow minded opinions. at that age you should have learned to look at everything from a different agnle. not just head on... but hey... agree to disagree.

Beak i think you are on to something but please dont label old people like that. (im 27)

Dont let the few @ss clowns ruin it for the rest of them... back under the bridge

[Alt.ImaCoupe]

I DO NOT recommend these for the 6mt vehicles because, 5-7 wires is NOT going to make your feet and right hand shift any differently. Audio and other electrical components might work better, but most of the time those aspects are after thoughts.

Sorry to disagree, but I have your kit on my 6MT, and it does make a difference. My mileage is a bit better, the engine revs faster, my HIDs white up quicker, and my stock sound system is a little bit louder. Even pulled a few wires back off temporarily when I first put it on to make sure I wasn't imagining these things.

And don't try to change my opinion...I'm old.

[Sentientbydesign]

Sorry to disagree, but I have your kit on my 6MT, and it does make a difference. My mileage is a bit better, the engine revs faster, my HIDs white up quicker, and my stock sound system is a little bit louder. Even pulled a few wires back off temporarily when I first put it on to make sure I wasn't imagining these things.

And don't try to change my opinion...I'm old.

Well, awesome!

I just try to be SUPER honest with everybody. I hate it when you buy a mod and it says one thing and they don't tell you about the "fine details".

New disclaimer: May work on 6mt Altimas -If you're old!!!

[headhunt3r]

Really excited about my incoming kit!

[Sentientbydesign]

Really excited about my incoming kit!

You and Alvin going to install together?

[headhunt3r]

You and Alvin going to install together?

Not sure yet. I guess it depends if we can work out a time together or not? Instructions are soft copies yes?

[Sentientbydesign]

Not sure yet. I guess it depends if we can work out a time together or not? Instructions are soft copies yes?

Yeah. Unless you wanted hard copies. The Altima kits are pretty easy to install, so I usually do soft copies, where as the G35/350Z kits are a little more involved and get color/printed.

[LinkNuc]

Just about every CVT A/C I've sold one to got 2+ MPG increase in fuel economy. Most of them noticed that audio sounded clearer and the CVT would allow them to stay in power instead of shifting.

No Kool-aid here boys.

I DO NOT recommend these for the 6mt vehicles because, 5-7 wires is NOT going to make your feet and right hand shift any differently. Audio and other electrical components might work better, but most of the time those aspects are after thoughts.

Be sure to compare what Racingline, Stillen,..etc are giving you. Their designs are usually not optimal and just waste good copper.

This is nothing short of an outright lie, if you could save 2 mpg by installing a grounding kit, we would have seen Billy Mays (RIP) hawking these things years ago. You sir are lying bag of douche. Shame on you for hawking snake oil!

[soxypoo]

be nice man !!!! he is trying to sell stuffs here , either way i will get the kits from him so no worry , just be nice thank you

[headhunt3r]

This is nothing short of an outright lie, if you could save 2 mpg by installing a grounding kit, we would have seen Billy Mays (RIP) hawking these things years ago. You sir are lying bag of douche. Shame on you for hawking snake oil!

Yo man, come back when you've studied the basics of electrical engineering ok. The fact that there are such a huge variation of ground kits is that there's a difference between theory and execution. There are many that understand the theory, but the extent of execution a person can take theory is another story. If you check out the Fabricator's Marketplace you will see many positive reviews from senior members of this board.

If after all this you are still calling it a bag of hot air, then take it elsewhere.

[LinkNuc]

Uh Man, I have studied the basics of Electrical Engineering, I am a Nuclear Engineer, as such I am required to have basic EE, and ME as far as Fluid Flow, Heat Transfer and Thermal Hydraulics, resitance, ciruits, power amps, transformers..ah hell, I was just like you at 22, as Penn and Teller would put it...Grounding Kits are BULLs*** Throck, adidas, where ya at to back this up, this is a blatant lie!

Modified by LinkNuc at 3:14 PM 8/15/2009
Modified by LinkNuc at 3:15 PM 8/15/2009

[Ferguson]

One of the prime topics in EE theory is that of proper grounding. More critical with digital systems but also of key importance in analog systems too. Look at any circuit board. Those huge foil traces are the ground plane, designed to ensure the best path to ground for all components on the board. In the car, multiple systems are connected to ground externally through the chassis, and ultimately, a single wire to the ground post of the battery. Each separate circuit sees a certain amount of electrical noise on that ground return line. Noise is not a good thing. A grounding kit ensures that each key component is tied to the battery ground (negative) independently.

Smoke and mirrors? No. Just good practice!

I give my Sentient kit for good practice. Faster shifts in manual mode on my CVT, my stereo is just as loud at a lower volume setting, and, yes, I tested it with and without the grounds connected - it was repeatable. So if those systems worked better, it follows that other systems, like the ECU are also seeing better grounding and thus performing better, even if it isn't measureable in terms of HP. And, the grounding kit looks great under the hood. So, for the price, it was def a worthwhile mod!

[headhunt3r]

My bad on the engineer related comment, but that's about it. It won't matter if you got a couple more people backing you up on this. There are enough people that are willing to support this in the Fabricator's Marketplace thread as well. To each his own.

[Sentientbydesign]

This is nothing short of an outright lie, if you could save 2 mpg by installing a grounding kit, we would have seen Billy Mays (RIP) hawking these things years ago. You sir are lying bag of douche. Shame on you for hawking snake oil!

As a former staff member, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. Your conduct is NOT acceptable towards a sponsor, fabricator, or any other member on the boards.

I support your argument against BD for a product that is not ready for the market, but I do not appreciate your name calling or the fact that you, sir, are WRONG.

Blake (Adidas2Go) texted me after I installed his kit on his Altima and told me he got 6mpg more on the way home. I didn't believe it, so I pulled elevation maps between point A and B and the area is hilly with minor total variation in elevation.

[ESP]

As a former staff member, GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. Your conduct is NOT acceptable towards a sponsor, fabricator, or any other member on the boards.

No freakin' kidding. Seriously LinkNuc, what's up with the jackass attitude as of late?

I agree with Sentient that on a 6MT you won't notice any gains with regards to the driving experience. On nearly all my automatic cars, however, I've fashioned grounding kits and they all made noticeable differences.

Just knock it off with the crap attitude already, man.

Sentient, I'll be hitting you up for a set of wires when I get around to doing my audio system. You wouldn't happen to have access to any green wires, would ya?

[darkmessenger]

Not sure yet. I guess it depends if we can work out a time together or not? Instructions are soft copies yes?

I probably can use some guidance, it's my first time taking things apart in the engine bay haha, hopefully I'll be able to put everything back together

[Sentientbydesign]

No freakin' kidding. Seriously LinkNuc, what's up with the jackass attitude as of late?

I agree with Sentient that on a 6MT you won't notice any gains with regards to the driving experience. On nearly all my automatic cars, however, I've fashioned grounding kits and they all made noticeable differences.

Just knock it off with the crap attitude already, man.

Sentient, I'll be hitting you up for a set of wires when I get around to doing my audio system. You wouldn't happen to have access to any green wires, would ya?

I'll have to do some searching. I would LOVE to offer a huge variety of colors, but the biggest problem is finding quality wires for a reasonable price.

For instance, there is a company that offers a beautiful PEARL white wire jacket. Only problem is that the wire copper clad aluminum (aluminum wire with a thin copper plating). I can stand behind that as being the same quality as what I send you guys, so I don't ever use the stuff.

Somebody asked me for orange/yellow wire to match LeMans Sunset and the closest I could find was over $6/foot

I'll keep my eyes open for you though.

[mrodrig2]

This is nothing short of an outright lie, if you could save 2 mpg by installing a grounding kit, we would have seen Billy Mays (RIP) hawking these things years ago. You sir are lying bag of douche. Shame on you for hawking snake oil!

Why are you being a d!ck to a well respected vendor and forum member? He is not making any lies or claims. His direct advertisements are actually very cautious. All of the improvements he mentioned are direct feedback from customers who have purchased the grounding kits. Look up his thread and you can read the customer responses yourself.