Greddy install pics

[WDRacing]

Thats assuming your timing maps are correct...

[doctorj240]

Even at full throttle the egt nearly never gets to 1200. This is all done on base timing 20btdc. I'm going to try to leave my car at a shop here to get the frount mount piping done and get her tuned while I'm in Japan. Hopefully...

[C-Kwik]

So is it running now(without stalling)? Email me a new datalog of what you have if it is.

BTW, I spoke with Mike Chung at SEMA yesterday and if the maps still seem off, then you would have to go back to who you bought it from. He neve heard of Enjuku, so if they are not an authorized dealer, then it needs to go up the chain to whoever they bought it from that is. Then they get you a Return Authorization Number and then you can ship it to Greddy directly. They can check out the map for you.

[C-Kwik]

1200 isnt that far off, althought id be looking for a peak of about 1500 F. Just remember to shift right after you reach your peak EGT, which signals your peak torque and peak cylinder pressure.

Rick

Why would you shift at peak Torque? in almost all motors, you shift at some point after peak torque. Peak torque will occur in the 4400 RPM area. I doubt anyone here with a turbo is shifting around there...

[Projex240]

Ok- the thread kinda fell off. How is the e-manage working out? Is there any problems with the idle now? How about power? Is it pulling pretty well? What about the manifold nutz not fitting on? Is that causung any problems with the trubo spooling up? MASybe that would cause your idle to stumble at times.

[TurboKA37]

could the restriction in the intake piping right before the MAF be to minimize the amount of airflow that the MAFS picks up? this way it wont max out at around 260rwhp like they usually do stock.

[bruinbear714]

could the restriction in the intake piping right before the MAF be to minimize the amount of airflow that the MAFS picks up? this way it wont max out at around 260rwhp like they usually do stock.

That has nothing to do with when the MAF maxes out. It maxes out because 5V is the physical limit it can put out.

[TurboKA37]

yes i kno that. so if there is less air going by the sensor than there actually is, the voltage output will drop. which doesnt really matter because the emanage has the ability to reprogram the amount of fuel being used at X volts. this way you could flow more air than normal because the sensor would read less flow(less voltage) than the system is actually flowing. just an idea though, i dont think they would go through the trouble cause the amount of power they are pushing with the kit doesnt exceed the MAFS's capability.

[bruinbear714]

Ok, I see what you guys mean now by that air restriction....

It looks like they tried to divert the air going through the hot wire element on the maf by adding that wall, causing the voltage output of the MAF to be less than what it really should be. If the install and wiring went correctly and the car is still idling/running rich, I'm willing to bet that is the problem.

If you're going to run at 6psi, just rip that out and let the MAF run the way it was designed to, and re-program the emanage.

[crioten]

any updated news on the kit, or how the car is running?

-glen

[doctorj240]

Ok sorry guys. The car is running fine now. The only problem I've run into is just a poor idle after the car warms up. It seems like the injectors are just pouring a little too much fuel so it bogs and backfires at idle. Otherwise it's doing ok. I just G-teched it and it runs a mid-high 14 quarter. The turbo starts spooling around 3000 and hits 6psi around 3500 or so. It definitely wants to go higher so I'm installing the front mount when I get back from Japan. Most likely I'm going to erase the program they gave me and tune it based on some of the MAFS outputs on the original map. This way I can just install a z32 MAFS, cut out the restriction and be happy.

[nismo1003]

doctorJ240, do you mind if you can send me the air flow adjustment map , ignition timing map and all other defult setting from the greddy e-manage. I want to use it as a reference to tune my car with. my email is [email protected] . thanx

P.S. if you want to share your current e-manage configuration setting, I don't mind to have them as well. thanx

[C-Kwik]

They password protect their pre-programmed maps. Some leak out without the password, but they are rare. doctorj240 has already checked his and it is password protected...

I tuned mine just by using the injector correction feature. I backed off timing at higher airflow rates as I hear some light detonation on hot days. Seems to work fine now. No other adjustments were made and mine runs fine. I'm using an XS Engineering turbo kit. I would like to see the Greddy program though to see how they approach tuning. I've seen their RSX map and it is a bit wierd...

[nismo1003]

C-Kwik, Thanx for the help . I do know you had the E-manage,cuz u were talking about it a while ago, but somehow I can't PM people.anyhow, I was so worry about the setting of all the map and stuff... but after i heared that ..that's great. no need to tuned that 16X16 map lol but of cuz I will monitor the MAF voltage not over 5 V right. what kind of adjustment you did on ur timinig I am thinking every -.5 for everyhing 500rpm and at 6000rpm would be reatard at 4 degree? Make sense? do i need to have to adjust a default setting to the car first( should be 5 degree BTDC right) before I mess with the E-manage? let me know what's ur setup (detail would be better). thank you

[C-Kwik]

Mine actually maxes out at 5V while boosting only 6.5 psi. But I think that is just the E-Manage maxing out it's input. I've heard the MAF actually can reach just above 5V. The E-Manage will only compensate up to 5V though. Post your email and I'll email my map to you...

[nismo1003]

[email protected] . Thank you.. so , what's ur soultion after it is over 5 v ?

[C-Kwik]

Well, mine works fine even as it maxes out. You can try to play with the injector maps and have it add more fuel at 5v. Or, use the pressure sensor and tune with that after 5v. Or swap the MAF for a larger one.

[alan-n]

Sorry, late to the party.... But that "restrictor plate" does not look to be a restrictor plate at all. What a smart device the greddy engineers came up with. What that is for is to reduce turbulance from the turbo allowing the MAF to be mounted closer to the turbo since intake length under the hood is quite limiited.

[iNfamous240]

doctorj240, do you recomend the greddy turbo kit to a 240 owner now that you have it and experienced it? And do you regret buying it? Was it good for the money? THanks in advanced.

[s14db]

Hey doctorj240, could we get an update? Thanks for all the info so far.

[doctorj240]

Mine actually maxes out at 5V while boosting only 6.5 psi. But I think that is just the E-Manage maxing out it's input. I've heard the MAF actually can reach just above 5V. The E-Manage will only compensate up to 5V though. Post your email and I'll email my map to you...

Sorry everyone, I've been in Japan. As far as the kit. It's definitely a high quality kit and fits my desires for the car. I don't really plan on drag racing it too much so I don't need a huge turbo and insane hp goals. It will just be a fun all around car, auto-x and road race preferably, so I'll keep it closer to 350hp. The tuning on the emanage doesn't seem to be very good. It bogs under throttle and doesn't hold an idle. I'm going to get a front mount installed and get the thing tuned for hopefully 9-10 psi.

Chano, can you send me your map? I'd really like to use it as a reference. [email protected]

[C-Kwik]

you got mail

[Projex240]

Too bad you cant get the turbo kit without the greddy e-manange and have them hack that off of your price. You could use a jwt ecu, and be plug and play with a great quality turbo kit. Or just sell off your e-manage, and use the money to buy a JWT ecu. Of course thats only for the folks who want simplicity and plug and play stuff.What about moving the MAF to the cold-side to have a blow thourhg set-up? Maybe the would help the bogging and stumbling? About the injectors being rich after warm up...does the e-manage have an open-loop control built in? Maybe thats screwed up? All i know is that with an e-manage with maps from greddy...id be pissed with all the damn tunability issues youve had to endure. Take that thign to a dyno to see exactly how rich it is, and how bad off the maps are.

[s14db]

What is simple about a JWT ecu? sending it in the mail and not having a car for 2wks?I would rather goto my local dyno over the weekend and tune it out.How much is a JWT ecu? the emange can be bought for les than $300.

I must say the blow thru on the cold pipe is a good idea. it has worked fine on SR20s for years. you could prolly cut out the intake thing too. I'm just mad I didn't think of it.

[aleph1]

IIRC JWT takes more like 4 weeks.

[s14db]

...and it's only $595! only $300 more? that's twice the price and it's a generic tune to your specs. set ups with the same specs can vary greatly. You would prolly have to still tune it with a AFC.

I think it would be better to get the eManage and spend the extra money on 5hrs of dyno time to get it perfect.

[TrunkMonkey]

just something to think about...most of the high hp KATs are running a jwt tuned ecu.

-demetrius

[Projex240]

and as far as down time goes- i totally know what you mean. But i went through stillen, and my ecu was back in MY HANDS, in less than two weeks...and i even waited till the month before nopi. Also, the e-manage base unit is 320...then you have the harness 45, and 38.00...then you have the support tool..i forget how much that is, then you have the porblem of e-01 or a laptop..not everyone has access to those. Then, you have to start from scratch on the dyno cuz the maps from greddy are locked. Then you have to buy a extra map sensor once the MAF has maxed out. THEN>>>now you add dyno time...110/hr-550 for 5 hours.The costs of a JWT are small compared to a greddy e-manage. And the ease of use, and the simplicity of just plug-and-play...But its all about how you want to approach tuning. Likedemetrius said...there sure are alot of 400+ hp KA's running around on JWT ecu's

[huguetpj]

then you have the porblem of e-01 or a laptop..not everyone has access to those.

Don't really agree with you on this point but hell, I've worked (not played ) with computers since I was 15 and I've always had access to a laptop.

Quote » Then you have to buy a extra map sensor once the MAF has maxed out. [/quote]

Now this point I wouldn't use against the emanage, cause it's the same with the JWT ECU. Once you max out your MAF you'll have to buy a diff one (300zx, 93 Cobra) and send in your ECU for a retune... so that's what? $200 for retune+maf (if lucky). How much is a MAP sensor?

Anyway, this point has been discussed over and over again. Ease of use and plug and play ability? JWT ECU.

Wanna really tune your car and have greater control over sutff (with the risk of blowing up :rolleyes ) then emanage.

Have cash? Go standalone :pface

[aleph1]

SAFCII can adjust for a Z32 maf.

BTW- I believe its more like 200 alone just for the retune, the maf will most likely run you at least another 100, but probably a bit more.