Fuel pump noise when priming!

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I just noticed this a few days ago.... When I turn the ignition to ON (engine not running) the pump makes a loud HUUUUMMM.... It only happens when its cold and the first startup of the day.... As soon as I start the engine, i hear nothing but the normal sound of it (just a slight hiss when I open the trunk)....

THe pump has been replaced within the last 6000 or so miles (before I obtained it)..


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It's just pressurizing the rails, overnight bleeds off the fuel pressure. I think you are getting too knowledgable and hearing trouble that isn't there. Kind of like when you took biology and imagined you had symptoms for all those rare diseases.

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The noise is always more obvious to me when it's cold too... Judging by the pic in your signature line I'm sure it's a little frosty in that gas tank in the mornings :D

As long as you don't hear it at idle you should be fine. I'd say a good replacement interval for the fuel pump in normal conditions would be 70-80K miles.

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In winter the trimode [trispeed] pump/fpcu gets a longer wide open speed signal from ecu............function of a colder [to start] coolant temp sensor reading.

It appears that colder than 45-50F +- engages the extra time.

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Ok... Well Im glad this is normal.... I DONT wanna go through this fuel pump thing.....

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Still it is NEVER normal to hear the pump running under any conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Could my FPCU be semi-fried?? Apparently the pump died and the car had to be tansported to get fixed.... The car runs just fine....

Will the bad FPCU (but apparently works) kill the new pump?

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Q45tech wrote:Still it is NEVER normal to hear the pump running under any conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good! At least now I know that I am not totally deaf!

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More pumps are prematurely destroyed by failure to buy clean gasoline and failure to clean out the tank when a pump is replaced.

Takes a few extra hours, if the tank is nearly empty, and jugs to hold the old gasoline and 2-3 gallons of new gasoline to get to the station to refill.

But new pumps almost always last at least 12,000 miles [most 40-60k] or a year so the repairer is off the hook if he doesn't force you to spend the extra money for tank removal and cleaning.

Why orginal pumps lasted 100k+ and replacements fail sooner.

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I have read several articles about hissing caused by the fuel pump. I've noted a small hissing sound in my 93 J30 for about a year now (it currently has 178k miles - I drive about 15k a year).

I'm not sure if it is the fuel pump, or just a character of the J30. It occurrs at start-up but then dissipates within about a mile (at least I don't notice it by then). I notice it when the engine is cold; that is about the only time I drive it - to and from work. Its not loud. I also notice that the sound stops if I put the car in neutral shortly after driving down the driveway, then resumes for a few minutes after engaging Drive.

Any thoughts? J30 Character or a true problem?

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My fuel pump has hummed when I turn the ignition to the ON position for 6 years now, so I guess it is just taking an extra long time to die.

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We just removed an orginal 1992 Q fuel pump with 225,000 miles it was only supplying 15psi of pressure instead of 44 psi. But I guess you could say it was working -- kinda. Not much ability to accelerate and the ecu couldn't correct the fuel more than 20% so it ran really really really lean.

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Good point regarding the possibility of reduced fuel pressure, I'm going to check mine with a gauge. Any good fuel pressure gauges you can recommend? Although having just replaced the knock sensors ( both were cracked at 150K ) and cleaning the throttle body my car is running faster than it ever has. Any additional speed would be icing on the cake.

And yes while replacing the knock sensors I replaced every hose under and around the plenum ( fuel, air, PCV, vacuum, brake booster, coolant, heater, purge canister, EGR, IACV ). We need Joe to come up with the plenum-plus hose kit. Although it will probably cost close to $1000.

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I finally got around to changing my fuel pump this weekend. It was humming away for quite some time and I was concerned that it was going to fry the controller and/or leave me stranded. Three hours on Saturday and I have peace of mind and no more humming.

I strongly recommend you get one from Joe and change it-easy project.

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Q45tech wrote:Still it is NEVER normal to hear the pump running under any conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...unless it is a Ford truck.

Brand new, you can hear those fuel pumps from 100 ft.

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I looked on-line for one from Joe - they are just over $200 bones! Yikes, I have other things to do before that. What am I out besides being inconvenienced, should the fuel pump go out before I get to it?

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FUEL PUMP MUST BE REPLACED ASAP!!! The only thing you could do is run the fuel pump control unit (500) and if it starts misfiring you could kill the cats ($more than you got)....

That is, if its bad.... Basically, if you have over 60k and it hasnt been done yet, its probably time...

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wes, I am pretty sure it is different for the J - a bad pump wont off your control unit.

Even if it did, it is a $5 junkyard part.

PS . pump is a bosch part, local parts depot will offer them at about $200 as well. (not implying that you shouldnt go with Joe, just that there is that option in case of an emergency.)

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also, there is no real risk to the cats here.

dying pump=lower fuel pressure=lean mixture if anything=not a real risk for the cats, which are harmed by unburnt fuel, oil, or coolant entering the exhaust.

pretty good closed-loop feedback with the lambda sensors anyway, and he will see poor engine performance far before cats are at risk.

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IN any case, i would check your fuel pressure before getting a new pump. if it is having trouble :getting it up:, i would then replace the pump in a timely fashion.

also check the function of your FPR...

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I am very sorry, being a Q owner I assume everything is for the Q, i didnt notice it was a J30.... IM sure its much different, as fuel pumps dont seem to have many problems on the J


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