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Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:26 pm
'Why would you ever think that the dealer would not install new software?'
I never said that for one, only that they cannot mod it heavily as each car must hit EPA standards by passing a 50,000 mile emissions test before the cars can even be put on our streets. Anything modded by a dealer that blows that result is against federal law. Think VW, and now possibly Ford too. Modded tunes are a $10,000 fine if the government ever chooses to enforce that. Any OEM software that simply fixes a problem does not fall under that unless the fix violates emission law.
Power can go down when a same engine gets put in another model that has different exhaust or intake plumbing, that does not change the fact the engine is in the same tune and at the same power output as before. Just a rating number changed there and nothing else. Minor changes happen like that all day long, the engines themselves did not technically drop though. And sometimes the exact same power engine gets zero mods but just a different power rating to emphasize maybe lower torque for a specific reason. Take Ford zetec fours, they have like 5 power ratings for the exact same 2 liter engine. Motorcycles do the same thing.
'It usually takes a full redesign to lighten them up.'
Not necessarily. I bought cars in pairs for a long time but NOT the same year model, and you can see the evolution of lightening on them going on from year to year, typically the FIRST one is the heaviest, then they begin to trim more and more weight as the later models show up. That process is commonly tied to a simplicity one as well. Like can we get away with 3 bolts holding this part on instead of 4 and the like, three part subassemblies will turn into one part but looks the same, etc. The onward moving lightening process clearly is a cheapening one as far as cost as well. Meaning they refine cheapness as they move forward and it never stops. Can't count the number of metal parts I saw that on later models of the exact same car then turned into plastic ones. Then the next year plastic one used even less plastic with say lightening holes now put in it where none were before. Makes part cheaper as to material cost AND lighter. Why again so many dependable parts before now break routinely, it also adds parts sales where there were none before. Bonuses are commonly paid to assembly line workers that are smart enough to figure out how to drop parts not needed that slow up assembly, why so many pop fasteners get used in the first year model they they start skipping say every other one later on, you can see it in car after car. The bonus is for saving the company money while not hurting the car's initial quality. Of course it causes more issues later as the car gets older but another way they convince owners to buy a new car.......the nuisance breakage issue, or one that does not put the car where it cannot be used, only frustrates the owner slow enough that the issues build up to make them desire a new car.
Bully tells you to remove the tune as the OEM software will recognize changes right off the bat and any warranty you had there just went out the window. Many dealers will simply refuse to work on a car with a tune, they cannot warranty any work done on one after the fact as the tune has already destroyed any warranty.
And, uh, Windows does ZERO updates on any of my stuff now, I'm smart enough to recognize that putting all my stuff on the cloud is NOT good for me. But then I build my own machines and have some idea of what is going on there. Windows 8 and later was more for them than you..................