For the "What Coilover should i get" type threads

[seejaytoo]

oh ok i get it, your stagea is heavier im sure, thats why you can run the 18/16, right?yeah it just a little hop. It jarrs you a little doesnt really bounce that much, it levels out pretty quickly. so with a 12/10 on an s chassis its gonna be bumpy, but a good coilover with dampen better... less bounce. am i on the right track? but say a 10/8 will pick up the bumps better? Again, am i remotely close?

[RBbugBITme]

I don't even know where to start and I don't want to get to in depth with this but most of whats been said is fairly useless.

The best piece of advice I can give to anyone looking to buy springs/shocks, just go to meets and ask to get a ride in other peoples cars. Everything from shock absorber piston design (who has actually seen one?), owner knowledge, ride height, alignment specs, tire spring rate (thats never talked about), linear/nonlinear (usually very non-linear) rebound/dampening adjustment knobs, etc. etc. etc. make any opinion about any coilover or shock/spring combo totally useless. Ask yourself when was the last back to back skidpad/slalom/track time comparison you saw between different setups let alone different adjustment settings on the same set up. Who here has seen let alone understood a shock dyno graph?

After I graduate I'll have the time to redesign the entire suspension for lowered 240's but I know enough that if I enjoy the ride of a cheap spring and shock combo vs. a 32 way (total BS) $1700 coilover, I'm saving my money for now.

Something I've noticed and thought was pretty interesting is that most people try to emulate almost every aspect of successful race cars except the suspension. 20+ way adjustable coilovers just aren't seen on real race cars, its a gimmick and from everything I've read (because I don't have the money to conduct days of shock dyno comparisons) every company listed in this thread are great on marketing, bad on engineering.

The responses to this should be interesting... Again newbs, just go ask to get a ride at local meets and feel for yourself if you like it and ask what he's got. We usually don't say no.

[yokota180sx]

wowso you completely restated my first post..

good job

BUTthis thread isnt for people that care abou good **** liek the few of us that do.Its for people that want a budget coilover to be low and stiff, but still handle decentlyso yeah.

[RBbugBITme]

Actually I did not. You gave a number of opinions on a number of different coilovers.

I'm saying, you're opinion means nothing to anyone but you when everyone reading it will have different ride heights, tires, ARB's, total weight and distribution, brakes, typical area road conditions (holed up city streets or not) and feeling for what is too stiff/soft, etc.I'm saying, the best way to decide on what set up to get is to go to a local meet or autox and ask for rides so you can feel it yourself.
Modified by RBbugBITme at 10:13 AM 11/27/2007

[yokota180sx]

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No one will be able to tell you what you need, only finding a car with the coilovers you want to, and either riding in or driving will allow you to make an informed decision

anyways, thats my 2 centsand to make it a yokota post

**** off

from first post

[RBbugBITme]

Also from the first post,

"Cusco and one with JIC can tell you they handle with varying degrees of difference.all the Megan/kts/lower stance/etc etc all will handle the same, so it doesn't matterThe thing however with the generic 1200< coilovers is the dampeningK sport for a fact has an over dampened rear which makes it unpredictablei don't recommend them at all, and i own a set. I barely drive my Stagea because of themid rather have blown JICs than have them"

End of discussion.

[MrPresidentQ45]

I'm trying to sort out a suspension setup for my 240, and from every thread I've looked in so far (here and on other forums) it seems to be that:1. If you spend less than $1,000 on a coilover setup (K-sport, etc.) , you might as well have taken your money, thrown it on the ground and lit it on fire. And then P***** on it.2. If you want to build any sort of track car (weekend), either man up and spend at least $1,500 or more on a high-line model set-up from a known brand (Tein, Cusco, etc.), or run some sort of shock/sleve top mount combo that costs as much or more.3. (and this is me) While personal preference with regards to ride quality is a given, there doesn't seem to be an answer to the basic everyman question, which (reading between the lines and bad english) seems to be "I want my car to sit lower and handle better than stock. Will coilovers (by brand, or in general) accomplish this, or is there a better suggestion (upgrade struts and springs)?"

I'm not talking about shock dyno testing (saw that on zylvia) or even "what does the seat of YOUR pants say?" but has anyone run a track car in a controlled environment (say, a road course) and then improved the suspension, resulting in a reduction in lap time or some other measureable event?

From personal experience on other vehicles basic things like bigger swaybars, stiffer springs and "performance" shocks (anything other than stock is performance when you're dealing with 60's suspension) reduce body roll (and increase ride harshness) and generally allow the vehicle to handle better up to the limits of the tires. I would imagine the same applies here. What results have others had and with what setups? Sorry about the run-on Kerouac sentences, I'd just like to avoid wasting my cash on a setup that does nothing.

[yokota180sx]

Also from the first post,

"Cusco and one with JIC can tell you they handle with varying degrees of difference.all the Megan/kts/lower stance/etc etc all will handle the same, so it doesn't matterThe thing however with the generic 1200< coilovers is the dampeningK sport for a fact has an over dampened rear which makes it unpredictablei don't recommend them at all, and i own a set. I barely drive my Stagea because of themid rather have blown JICs than have them"

End of discussion.

notice, you quoted the beginning of my post

not the end...quit being a smartass and stfu

[RBbugBITme]

MrPresident, typically anyone that has done any type of back to back analysis, especially on a road course, is doing it for serious competition purposes and wouldn't share their results.

[4bangers]

so I got cusco zero-2r coilover and the spring is only 7/5. So if I want to drift, do I have to increase the dampening to make it stiffer? can I drift with 7/5 spring or do I have to get higher spring rate?

[silpena]

hey yokota is it me or all 1,500 and under coilovers seem all the same, dampaning and spring rates. They all seem the same idk why..anyways i was looking at this new company cakked ARK do you know anything about them? I think the best way for new company is to build rep and ppl have to take a risk on buying from a new company selling coilovers for a lower price right?

[s14tan]

Nice thread.

[yokota180sx]

most are the same with slight differences in pressures and valving, but almost id say 70% are the same from the info ive been researching

hey yokota is it me or all 1,500 and under coilovers seem all the same, dampaning and spring rates. They all seem the same idk why..anyways i was looking at this new company cakked ARK do you know anything about them? I think the best way for new company is to build rep and ppl have to take a risk on buying from a new company selling coilovers for a lower price right?

[silpena]

so if someone is gonna buy chap coilovers might as well pay the least for somethings thats pretty much identical.