Engine dissplacement and the name badge.

[GreenQ45a]

No hissy threads Please!

the ref is in the middle of the ring.

Well start with Y33 = Q45 4.1 engineG50 = Q45 4.5 engine

How does that make any kind of sense?

[CrimsonQ]

who cares!! lolwhy change a name of a car to something different? may throw some people off.5.0 mustangs were really 4.9's big deal

[Q_SHIP]

who cares!! lolwhy change a name of a car to something different? may throw some people off.5.0 mustangs were really 4.9's big deal

Exactly!!

[Rex]

No hissy threads Please!

the ref is in the middle of the ring.

Well start with Y33 = Q45 4.1 engineG50 = Q45 4.5 engine

How does that make any kind of sense?

It's about brand identity. Even though the Q didn't have much, to offer a Q41, versus carrying the Q45 name only to switch back to it a few years later would be as easy to follow as if the channels on your TV were listed by the rating ... okay, that's a bad analogy, but it's about Brand Identity, plan and simple.

[greg_atlanta]

Branding consistency.

Other carmakers do the same thing. BMW 745i had a 4.4 L engine, new 750i has a 4.8 L engine. Both new 325i and 330i have a 3.0 L engine, though output is different.

I know someone with a Q455.

[Falkdesigns]

Exactly, Mercedes and BMW are commonly doing this! It's a model name, it rougly translates the engine size, for G50 and F50 it's exact, big f*ing deal. The 2nd gen Q45, although it has a 4.1 liter engine, is still a Q45. Dear god, the BMW 745 is not using a 4.5 liter, it's a 4.4, did they change the name to 744? Nope. Engine sized car names are not a solid rule that the name must = engine size, it's a loose translation, often rounded to the next whole number. The second gen Q45 is a Q45 no matter what you first gen Q45 elitist's want to call it. In any case, I've yet to see a "real" Q45 that I'd rather have over my "fake" Q45.

[elwesso]

No hissy threads Please!

[CrimsonQ]

Hey falk , nice motion blur on the sig pic. Have a 1024x768 res. pic of that?

[GreenQ45a]

Exactly, Mercedes and BMW are commonly doing this! It's a model name, it rougly translates the engine size, for G50 and F50 it's exact, big f*ing deal. The 2nd gen Q45, although it has a 4.1 liter engine, is still a Q45. Dear god, the BMW 745 is not using a 4.5 liter, it's a 4.4, did they change the name to 744? Nope. Engine sized car names are not a solid rule that the name must = engine size, it's a loose translation, often rounded to the next whole number. The second gen Q45 is a Q45 no matter what you first gen Q45 elitist's want to call it. In any case, I've yet to see a "real" Q45 that I'd rather have over my "fake" Q45.

If you go to Japan the NISSAN G50 Q45 was made at the same time with the Nissan Y33 Cedric... at the same time.

Nissan Cedric Y33 SeriesThe Y33 was in production between late 1994 and 1998. It's engines include the 2960cc DOHC V6 VG30DE engine and the 2960cc turbo charged DOHC V6 VG30DET engine.

They popped a 4.1 engine into a old Chassis they had laying around.

I would call it a Q45 if Nissan did.Its not a Q45 in Japan.

It is here because its cheaper to slap a nameplate on a current design and invert the MFG plants the RHD then take the hit from sales. and launch a new line of cars.

They should have called it a "M41"Like they called the Y34 which is the old M45 (with a 4.5 engine )That car was sold in Japan from 1998 on with a 3.0 engine.We got it in 2003 after they switch to the next gen M over there

While we were buying there 94-98 Cedric\Y33 there driving The Y34! The Q45 is based on the "Presidents" x 50 ChassisThe Q41 is based on the "Cedric" Y 33 Chassis

This might help you understand your cars history like I do.http://members.fortunecity.com....html

Your car has more history than the Q45 and you Should be proud!

The Gen 1 Q45 is Spinoff of the President.

Your car goes back to 1976
Modified by GreenQ45a at 5:24 PM 7/25/2005

[maxnix]

No hissy threads Please!

the ref is in the middle of the ring.

Well start with Y33 = Q45 4.1 engineG50 = Q45 4.5 engine

How does that make any kind of sense?

It refers to the chassis type, not the engine type. Wrong assumption on your part.

Why Y34 and Y50 have VQ and VK available.

FY33 also had VH and VQ available.

[Falkdesigns]

My car's not based on a Cedric, it's a Cima, same chasis, different body / interior. Which was available with the smaller, lighter, and nearly same power VH41.

[maxnix]

If you go to Japan the NISSAN G50 Q45 was made at the same time with the Nissan Y33 Cedric... at the same time.

1.) Nissan Cedric Y33 SeriesThe Y33 was in production between late 1994 and 1998. It's engines include the 2960cc DOHC V6 VG30DE engine and the 2960cc turbo charged DOHC V6 VG30DET engine.

2.) They popped a 4.1 engine into a old Chassis they had laying around.I would call it a Q45 if Nissan did.Its not a Q45 in Japan.

It is here because its cheaper to slap a nameplate on a current design and invert the MFG plants the RHD then take the hit from sales. and launch a new line of cars.

They should have called it a "M41"Like they called the Y34 which is the old M45 (with a 4.5 engine )That car was sold in Japan from 1998 on with a 3.0 engine.We got it in 2003 after they switch to the next gen M over there

3.) While we were buying there 94-98 Cedric\Y33 there driving The Y34! 4.) The Q45 is based on the "Presidents" x 50 ChassisThe Q41 is based on the "Cedric" Y 33 Chassis.

1.) That is why Cima and 2nd Generation Q45 are FY33 or FYG33 and not Y33. They used the VH or VQ engines, not the VG (nor others) which were relegated to the Cedric line.

2.) No, it is called a Cima, as is the current Q45, the F50. G50 Q45 trimmed car only survived a couple of years in JDM.

3.) Cedric never sold here. FY33 Cima did make it here as a Q45, but only with the VH41DE and never with the VQ nor the AWD. The F50, FY33, Y31, Y34, and JG50 were all available in Japan in 2001!

4.) Actually, it is more accurate to say the President and 1st Generation Q45 were based on the G50 chassis. The FY33 chassis is very similar to the Y33, Y34, and F50, and not very far removed from the Y31.

Most people don't know that the Skyline, Cedric and Gloria came from the Prince Automobile company with which Nissan merged. Hence, all the confusion and proliferation that Mr Ghosn and this board has had to sort through. There really is no sense to model designation other than a reluctance by Nissan to let models disappear in the JDM, so platforms were shared and very derivative.

Thankfully Ghosn went back to fresh designs for the V35 and Y50.


Modified by maxnix at 4:01 PM 7/25/2005

[Falkdesigns]

Hey falk , nice motion blur on the sig pic. Have a 1024x768 res. pic of that?

Thanks. Nah, I just slapped it together at that size.

[GreenQ45a]

What is JG50??

Is that like a PG50 = President?or PHG50 Active President?or G50 US Q45or HG50 US Active Q45 (Q45a)
Modified by GreenQ45a at 7:27 PM 7/25/2005

[szh]

My head hurts!

I am also confused about one thing. I thought the US 2003/2004 M45 was based on the Gloria, not the Cedric. So ... why does that web site (in GreenQ45a'a post) refer to a Y34 as a "Nissan Cedric 430"? Is this because it is only dedicated to info on Cedric's? Or am I wrong about the Gloria base?

Z

[elwesso]

The cedric was also a Y34..... just not as many options.....

[szh]

The cedric was also a Y34..... just not as many options.....

Ah! So that chassis was used for a number of different brand (models,) I guess!

Thanks, Wes.

Z

[Falkdesigns]

Cedric and Gloria have the same body panels, look identical, different trim levels and grilles. Glorial Gran Tourimo would be a blast to have.

[maxnix]

The cedric was also a Y34..... just not as many options.....

What's even crazier, during 2001, both Y31 and Y34 Cedrics were sold in JDM!

[GreenQ45a]

Ah! So that chassis was used for a number of different brand (models,) I guess!

Thanks, Wes.

Z

GM uses the "W" Body\Chassis for the Monte Carlo and the Grand Prix as well as the Buick Riviera.

The "F" Body\Chassis is used on the Camero and Firebird.

My point is that that EVERY Infiniti (*Except the Qx4 and 97-01 Q"45") is named for engine dissplacement!

G20 2.0G35 3.5Gx35 3.5

M30 3.0M35 3.5M45 4.5

I30 3.0I35 3.5

FX35 3.5FX45 4.5

Q45 1990-96 4.5

Q45 1997-01 4.1

Q45 2001 till now 4.5

Qx4* 3.3 1997 -2001, 3.5 2001 till 2004 (I heard there might be a few 3.0 Qx4's out there too)

Qx56 5.6

So I dont think it should be called a Q45

You can find Nissan Q45 (JDM) from 1989 (aussie's) till 1997 on yahoo JPSo don't tell me it was not sold as a Q45 over there EVERY YEAR it was made. It was.

Even the President was made on the PG50 Chassis until 2001.

The Chassis was still used until the gas guzzler was is what made them bring over the Cedric and stopped the US G50's.

Doesn't the F in the FY33 mean its RHD or is it a model thing?

They could have place a 4.5 in the FY33 and I would call it a Q45.

I will refer to it as a FY33 though if you like that better.

Modified by GreenQ45a at 9:46 PM 7/25/2005
Modified by GreenQ45a at 9:51 PM 7/25/2005

[Jesda]

Well, this thread has completely wrecked my mental state.

After the dust settles from this Y33/G50 debate, my ideal car is still a Jaguar XJR. Not the fastest, not the lightest (except the new aluminum one), just the smoothest and coziest.

[maxnix]

1.) So I dont think it should be called a Q45

2.) You can find Nissan Q45 (JDM) from 1989 (aussie's) till 1997 on yahoo JP. So don't tell me it was not sold as a Q45 over there EVERY YEAR it was made. It was.

3.) The Chassis was still used until the gas guzzler was is what made them bring over the Cedric and stopped the US G50's.

4.) Doesn't the F in the FY33 mean its RHD or is it a model thing?

5.) They could have place a 4.5 in the FY33 and I would call it a Q45.

6.) I will refer to it as a FY33 though if you like that better.

1.) Tell it to Infiniti US.

2.) Only said the G50 run was longer as the President than the Q45 JDM run.

3.) Partially true, but the real reason was the ¥/$ ratio. A G50 would have been $60K - $70K and still lost market share to the Celsior (LS).

4.) Doubt it as FY33 were both. Not the parts Manual says FYG33, while the FSM says FY33.

5.) As would most, but you grossly overestimate the intelligence of the American buying public when it comes to brand continuity. Even they would have seen a Q41 as a step down, which it was.

6.) That's what Nissan calls it and they should know.

The new XJR is an interesting modern chassis, but the engine is only good for the short run.
Modified by maxnix at 11:22 AM 7/26/2005

[GreenQ45a]

I'd suggest fixing this typo before too many people give you a hard time about it!

Z

Thanks... lol

Done..

[elwesso]

I'd suggest fixing this typo before too many people give you a hard time about it!

Z

Fortunately you quoted it so we can see it!!

[szh]

Fortunately you quoted it so we can see it!!

Point ... I deleted it!

Z

[nchopp]

For God's sake, who really cares?

[Jesda]

For God's sake, who really cares?

Only Green and Falk.

[Falkdesigns]

But apparently, several others care enough to voice thier opinion. My point is that it's an insult to FY33 Q45 owners to have elitist attitude holders refer to our car as the Q41. It's a Q45, that's what the trunk says, the owners manual, my insurance and regristration papers, etc. they all say Infiniti Q45 (T in my case). So on behalf of all FY33 Q45 owners, I simply ask, please offer us some respect and call our car what it is (if nothing more than by name) Q45 .

But if certain members have the need to diss the 2nd gen Q because of thier own insecurities, then I guess it's up to me to look past them.

[nchopp]

But if certain members have the need to diss the 2nd gen Q because of thier own insecurities, then I guess it's up to me to look past them.

Yes. :-)

[GreenQ45a]

But apparently, several others care enough to voice thier opinion. My point is that it's an insult to FY33 Q45 owners to have elitist attitude holders refer to our car as the Q41. It's a Q45, that's what the trunk says, the owners manual, my insurance and regristration papers, etc. they all say Infiniti Q45 (T in my case). So on behalf of all FY33 Q45 owners, I simply ask, please offer us some respect and call our car what it is (if nothing more than by name) Q45 .

But if certain members have the need to diss the 2nd gen Q because of thier own insecurities, then I guess it's up to me to look past them.

I can respect your wishes.

I mean you would win in court.

Because of this how many poeple know more about the FY33. I would rather have a good debate then just say who cares.