BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed

Post by **JustinStrife** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:02 pm

Bleh. Edited cause I'm tired and my thoughts are a jumbled mess at this point of the night. Might update in the morning.
Modified by JustinStrife at 12:34 AM 8/21/2007

Post by **Jookmasta** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:25 pm

Gonna have to disagree with the nsx comment. That car just like every other acura definitely holds its value pretty well. They were a 70K-90K car and even 12 years later, they are still going for around 16K-20K. FEW cars can still do that considering that not alot were sold and the power of that car isn't that earth shattering. I will say that only time will tell if this car will hold its resale value. As i said earlier, production numbers is what will determine this car's fate.

As for the corvette discussion, everyone is entitled to their opinion about the corvette but my only quim with that car will be its interior. great motor, great handling, and the true definition of a sports car that doesn't break the wallet. GM has made leaps and bounds with the corvette so i can't really see where the bashing of it can be sourced from. EVERY single update (C4, C5, C6) has been a tremendous improvement on the previous model. Does this make it a better car than the GTR? No, but it will definitely NOT lose sales due to people running next door to the nissan dealership to get a GTR. As said before in this thread, there are different types of buyers for those cars.

Post by **HashiriyaS14** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:06 am

AZhitman wrote:22 years of innovation? Nope.

Trust me, I don't hate the car. I'm a fan. Always have been.

But the reality is, Detroit needs to take a giant leap soon or the supercars from Japan will take a bite out of sales.

The Corvette looks the way it does because Corvette buyers want it to look that way. GM has been itching to do a mid-engined Corvette for years but it will NEVER be the primary model because Corvette buyers want:

-To be able to fit 2 golf bags in the back-To be able to comfortably daily drive it (many vettes are DD's, hence all the auto trans vettes out there)-A car that LOOKS like "a Corvette", which is to say "along the same path of evolving the C4 aesthetic of the last 20 years"-A simple OHV V8 that makes lots of low end and is inexpensive

The C7 might well have a mid-engined aluminum/carbon-bodied variant that will slot in where the Blue Devil will be for the C6. It will NEVER replace the base model however, which will forever be FR, OHV, FRP-bodied, etc...

At the end of the day, the fact that the base C6 laps so quickly is something of a function of there being no other real competitors out there in the price range. GM isn't TRYING to necessarily build the fastest-lapping track dominator for $40k, they're trying to build something that Corvette buyers will want to own.

If someone else wants to come along and engineer a wild tech-laden vehicle for roughly the same price that will lap a little faster and then sell it in small numbers to people who will track it, it won't really change anything. It won't be competition, it isn't the same sort of car, it's trying to do something else entirely.

Oh, and NSX's do hold their value astoundingly, given what they are. A NICE 1991 NSX still sells for $30k, and what did they cost new in 91, like maybe $50-60k? That's pretty amazing......

Post by **BOOMSHAKALAKA** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:15 am

So, that GTR engine...quite amazing isn't it?

*miserable attempt @ trying to get back on topic

Post by **PapaSmurf2k3** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:50 am

To tell you all the truth, I will be considering all the 3 most mentioned cars in this thread (911, GTR, and Corvette) in the future, when I get my sweet job. If the GTR puts it down in a big way, I will probably go with that, so bam there is 1 less sale for one of the other 2. Then again, I am one in more than a million (so I've been told), so I don't really see the GTR hurting vette sales much at all.

All that said, its gonna come down to the test drive, support (Vette will undoubtedly win this, but we'll see), reliabilty, and if all els fails, dealer experience. To be honest, I have always wanted a vette, and a 911 as well. The GTR is a new up-and-comer in my eyes (now that it is attainable that is). Time will tell.

And the vette style might be dated, but it does have modern flares, and timeless body lines. There are many cars that I wish kept their body lines, and Corvette did it, so props to them. Lots of cars coming out now-a-days (or previous generations) look like crap compared to their predacessors (think the new WRX).

Post by **JustinStrife** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:21 am

PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:To tell you all the truth, I will be considering all the 3 most mentioned cars in this thread (911, GTR, and Corvette) in the future, when I get my sweet job. If the GTR puts it down in a big way, I will probably go with that, so bam there is 1 less sale for one of the other 2. Then again, I am one in more than a million (so I've been told), so I don't really see the GTR hurting vette sales much at all.

All that said, its gonna come down to the test drive, support (Vette will undoubtedly win this, but we'll see), reliabilty, and if all els fails, dealer experience. To be honest, I have always wanted a vette, and a 911 as well. The GTR is a new up-and-comer in my eyes (now that it is attainable that is). Time will tell.

And the vette style might be dated, but it does have modern flares, and timeless body lines. There are many cars that I wish kept their body lines, and Corvette did it, so props to them. Lots of cars coming out now-a-days (or previous generations) look like crap compared to their predacessors (think the new WRX).

Somebody give this man a rep point.

Hell I'd love to have a GT-R, a C6 Z06, and a GT3 Porsche sittting in a garage with my name on the titles. Would be one ballin' garage you'd have to admit that. However, since I can't afford any of them without selling off everything, I'll stick with what I have now.

Post by **PapaSmurf2k3** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:24 am

Its true. I like all those cars, but I also know I am going to want to screw with it. I really don't want to be messing around with a porsche, so we will see... The 240 might just stay as the "tinker car", but then I remember about how much I love the note of the LS series exhaust. Sends shivvers down my spine. Right now it looks like the Porsche is losing. Besides, all's a Porsche brings you are the gold digger chicks anyway.

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:50 am

Gotta agree with Hash's assessment... The man speaks wisdom.

Post by **DJButton** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:30 pm

I'm glad to see this thread's discussions stayed enjoyable, been a good read so far, I like your thoughts guys.

Website · Post by **usdm_180sx** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:51 pm

Sawsome pics of the GT-R at the book store at Mitsuwa today. The car's underbody is completely covered in plastic paneling. It's gonna be badass.

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:33 pm

...and it's functional!

(That's part of the airflow management - it's a cheap way to increase aerodynamics and reduce wind noise.)

Post by **datsun2401972** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:00 pm

eh...10 days later, but I'll give my 2 cents.

The fact that nissan is following porsche with vtg turbines is absolutely awesome. And I think that fact really hints at what nissan was going after, the 997 turbo.

And really, I think they've used the 911 as their standard ever since the R32 chassis gtr's were born. I think that says alot about compairing a GTR to a corvette...it wasn't supposed to be. Of course people still compair them! But look at the buyers...Corvette: Older men, nice husbands, nice fathers, and rich widows. GTR: People who look for, and can afford, the highest tech car for the price.

Sure there are some young buyers for new corvettes, I know one personally. Guess what he did when his brand new(at the time) Z06 got spanked by a S/C SVT mustang? He bought a mustang.

My point here is, people talk about a corvette being an Icon(which it certainly is). But what kind of icons are kids cherishing today? What exactly that is I don't know. But what it isn't, is traditional.

I hate to say it, but ever since FnF came out, people have been buying up imports like hotcakes. Dealerships actually sell used imports with worthless aftermarket parts(read dubs, ground kits, clear corners, wings, etc) for MORE than the average price!. And people are BUYING them!

So what does this tell me about nissan? They chose the most opportune time to start importing GTRs to the states.

That's just my opinion though. I know I won't be able to afford the new GTR when it comes, but to me it will be an icon. Just like the 911 was the first time I saw it. And besides, GTR is too close to "GTR'DONE!" for this okie not to love.

Post by **160Z** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:55 am

MattB wrote:Awesome engine specs. I still don't understand why it's being badged as a Nissan though.

Maybe because it is a Nissan? It can't be marketed as an Infinity, because that's aimed more at the executive buyer, and besides, the GT-R is part of Nissan fokelore streching back to the 1964 Skyline 2000 GT!

Website · Post by **Sukairain R-33** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:37 am

I don't think your math works.

21psi peak through 3.8L of variable valve timing goodness is well more than 4-500hp. Like closer to a whole crap ton. I see boost staying around 10-12psi.

In order to make that much torque that low the engine is going to have some insane volumetric efficiency.

The gtr has already beaten the 911's time at the nurb, and they're creeping up on the Carrera GT. Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

Website · Post by **usdm_180sx** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:27 am

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/20....html

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:29 am

Sukairain R-33 wrote:Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

Post by **maxnix** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:32 pm

JustinStrife wrote:As to the newer corvettes being out-dated....

I 100% disagree with you Greg.

(for those that have good eyes, I'm parked next to a 78', 25th anniversary C3 that belongs to a gal I know quite well who also owns an old Porsche 911)

I didn't know there was a Corvette SUV!

Post by **ishkabibble** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:12 pm

maxnix wrote:I didn't know there was a Corvette SUV!

Yep! It's the best looking Corvette since 1977!

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:34 pm

rofls...silly kids.

see that small piece of silver?

that has vette bumper written all over it...

but at the same time, I don't see how JS's comment disproves the outdated...

they're outdated in the same way a revolver is to an auto pistol...older technology...but just as potent. Stupid LS motors...

Post by **ishkabibble** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:07 pm

Mr1der wrote:rofls...silly kids.

see that small piece of silver?

that has vette bumper written all over it...

I know, we had a silver '79 C3. Hated it. It caught fire and burnt our garage down; a fitting end for that POS. I was more sad about losing my mountain bike in the garage fire than the car.

Every Vette from '78 onward has the same basic shape. *yawn*

Post by **hsckris** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:40 am

Mr1der wrote:they're outdated in the same way a revolver is to an auto pistol...older technology...but just as potent. Stupid LS motors...

if by newer they mean c6, i have to disagree. the c6 isn't older technology in total just b/c the engine is different technology. it still handles like cars costing twice as much. and there is nothing wrong with not having OHC -- the c6 does just fine without it based on its numbers (even the c5 does if you ask me).

there is absolutely no question in my mind that right now the c6 is the best new performance vehicle for the $ available, and the c5 is the best used performance vehicle for the $ available.

Post by **chromesilver6** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:16 am

Blah blah blah. Can we please quit comparing the Z06 to the new GT-R.. I mean they are not even on the same class. Vette is v8 rear drive while the skyline is awd v6 tt.. Just keep the vette compared to the new Viper that kicks it ***.. lol. I personally cant wait to see what the aftermarket does with the new GT-R. Its gonna be crazy.. Saty tuned.

Post by **hsckris** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:38 am

chromesilver6 wrote:Blah blah blah. Can we please quit comparing the Z06 to the new GT-R.. I mean they are not even on the same class. Vette is v8 rear drive while the skyline is awd v6 tt...

They are in the same class -- high end performance cars. And most of those buyers don't give a crap whether its front, rear, or mid engine or rear or all wheel drive...

chromesilver6 wrote:I personally cant wait to see what the aftermarket does with the new GT-R. Its gonna be crazy.

I hope so. Traditionally Nissan has had less of an aftermarket than other vehicles. And, not to bring up the vette comparision again, i wonder how it'll compare to other performance vehicles' aftermarkets.

Post by **zozoka1212** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:24 am

Little update for every one.

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zozo

Post by **idahotuner** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:58 am

i want the motor to put in my 240. oh boy.

Post by **skylinegtst93** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:29 am

not bad...R34 is the best to DATE!!!

Post by **JustinStrife** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:10 pm

Sukairain R-33 wrote: Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

Not so much.

http://forums.corvetteforum.co...74038

You can't talk about what times the car is pulling, until people actually are able to see PRODUCTION cars running. 7:50 is not a 7:38.

Post by **AZhitman** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:06 am

Trust me - Pull into a car show at the local diner in a C6 and a GTR and see which one drops the panties.

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.

Post by **Camry** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:38 am

skylinegtst93 wrote:not bad...R34 is the best to DATE!!!

I'm gonna have to say R32 is best to DATE!!!

Post by **Jager** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:51 pm

well to be honest, the vette is a beautiful car, but id rather have awd and the option for Rwd then just RWD. but the GTRs body styling is a big turn OFF for me, it just does not sit right with me, i prefer the r34 style. not that it wont grow on me, its just hard to not go huh when i see photos.

what id be most interested in knowing is thoughts from you all about why nissan didnt use their v10 titan engine in the GTR. its an established beast that can really put down serious numbers. is it a weight thing? or just size?

im honestly happy that nissan is keeping the GTR nissan. i really with lexus acura, infiniti etc jsut stayed their base company names. nothing is more annoyign as a car enthusiast to be admiring a luxury car and have the owner talk down about the other cars its related to. best example a guy with an is 300 was busy telling me that his lexus was not a toyota and it was so much better build quality so it couldnt be a toyota.....

to greg and jesda and the others discussing innovation, I wish the big 4 in detriot would innovate with cars more, though i do applaud the corvette staying close to its roots. its just a shame that they have kickass concept cars and never really bring those to fruition though. id have killed for the concept shelby in 04 that ford was making.

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