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"I knew it, I was too lazy to re-read the posts and let Freak slies this time. Breaking into 14 meaning that he used to run 15 or higher and now in the high 14. Damn kid."

Dude you need to stfu... i made a fukin mistake... stop acting like your a fuking God... you drag **** out like you have that luxury... here's an idea... stfu... how about that? wanna nother one? stfu... hey i see a pattern....

Either way it will be close as hell... and it doesn't depend on hp in this case or 1/4 mile times because he's racing a circuit deal.... setups are more important...

BTW most people can change their VTEC engagement with a controller, but setting the engagement lower is stupid, unless you have a built engine... mainly because the duration is not suitable for the type of engine....

Now with regards to double clutching:http://www.driversedge.com/dblcltch.htm ... lutch.html

Although synchros are fairly efficient nowadays, double cltuching is really meant for down shifting and not accelerating...

A) Double clutching takes time to do, therefore already the gains are small if there are any at all...

B) You could break'em loose even while moving also decreasing your speed and time.

C) It's not worth the strain on your drivetrain....

D) I want a second opinion from someone else that uses that technique before i even consider it a technique at all

E) I could hate on you AzN but i've already had my fair share of arguments this week...


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"I knew it, I was too lazy to re-read the posts and let Freak slies this time. Breaking into 14 meaning that he used to run 15 or higher and now in the high 14. Damn kid."

Dude you need to stfu... i made a fukin mistake... stop acting like your a fuking God... you drag **** out like you have that luxury... here's an idea... stfu... how about that? wanna nother one? stfu... hey i see a pattern....

So what I said wasn't right? You did admit you made a mistake, but yet, I get yelled at? Hmm...how stubborn can you get?

HEY EVERYONE, I EMAILED FREAK IN OUR LAST ARGUEMENT AND HE SAID HIS S13 WITH THE KA RAN 13.2 <---------, YES, IN THE 13 SECONDS. HE SAID THAT HE KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS 240 AND I ASKED HIM WHAT MOD, HE SAID INTAKE, EXHAUST, SOMETHING WITH HIS ECU...NOT SURE THOUGH, AND HE RAN 13'S...WOW. THAT'S MUST BE IN HIS DREAM.

You want it? You got it. It's all about games man if you wanna be stubborn.

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"Freak might argues here because he thinks double clutch is sometihng else...anyhow I'm not gonna get in this"

Jackass you ask for it when you put my name in any of your posts, keep that in mind.

My post was at least 70% info, so less talking about quarrels, i wanna help this kid win.... i really do have money on it...

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I hope you win the 50 bucks as well...so you can get a new brain surgery. I'm done talking to you. 70% info you got from someone else, the other 30% is garbage, therefore, you are a douche bag. Hahahahahhaha...yea you right freak, I think we should stop, no points on going here. Either way, you win or lose, right or wrong, I still get biatched at, so I'll save my breath and you'll do the same, alright douchey?

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"so you can get a new brain surgery"Does that even make sense?Who gave you permission to say douche bag

"70% info you got from someone else"

Where the hell do you think people get it from?People exchange info to increase the knowledges of both or all parties... fool, or course im gonna get it from somewhere else, that how you learn... research... why the hell do we go to school?

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Who would known that a question such as this would turn into a 7 page thread, with over 90 replies and over 1000 views.Haha

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OMG Im away for a day and 3 pages magically appear. Hmm where to start? Ok, Aznride. Hmm that doubleclutch post is uh.. weird.. Anyone who knows what double clutching REALLY is (like Freak) knows what im talking about. And Freak is 100% correct with his info he posted. 2nd, GSR ecu in an ITR??!! Ive driven MANY GSRs and still dont know what magical VTEC engagement you talk about at 8000 rpms because VTEC SHUTS OFF just before redline. There is no dual engagement, only other honda engine ive seen is the D15B8 or some **** like that. 0-3000 rpms only 12 valve, 3000-5000 all 16 valve, 5000 to redline VTEC kicks in. That is a true 3 stage system. Only benifits a GSR ecu has is the secondary butterflies in the intake manifold and 94-95 ECU can be easily chipped. But I rather use a 92-95 EX SI ecu since they are way easier to chip and easy to get than a $200+ 94-95 GSR ECU. Aznride, im not making fun of you so dont take ANY of this the wrong way. Im just trying to correct some of the info you posted, like the double clutching part.

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Incase you dont believe me about the vtec shutting off before redline, check out the ITR graph i posted earlier:

http://www.mandsproduction.com...o.jpg

Power starts dropping off at the end of 7000, like around 7800-7900. Torque starts dropping off wayyyy before that, like around 6800. Ok since hp starts dropping off around 7800-7900 and redline is 8400 and fuel cut is 8600 if i remember right, that can only mean vtec is off to help save that nice valvetrain incase you do hit fuel cut or go way over redline. ITR motor is a high strung high rpm motor, so that charts proves everything ive said. The motor can be reved to 9000 rpm for godsakes.

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Thats the first time i've been right about anything all week... seems like everything I say is wrong.... well that just made my week :) Thanks Nismo...

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AznRide there is no doubt in my mind that you are a *****en failure. If you were paying any attention to this post you would clearly have understood that I was referring to g_50b's remarks on how a stock LS can beat a stock 240 which is bullsh*t, cause my 240 was stock when i beat my friend's LS which wasn't(and my friend doesn't suck at driving-he'll smoke your civic **** with his talon). Then to top it off you ask me to judge a 240(with SR20 motor) by some *****en video i saw at least ten times already before this post was up and running. I know an ITR can beat a stock 240. I'm not that stupid. But an ITR can't beat a 240 with a SR20DETT swap. There is a difference from the SR20DE and the SR20DETT motors . The SR20DE is non turbo while the SR20DETT is. And finally, don't be stupid to ask me to race your civic which isn't stock- a real racer races fair. Ask me this same question May when I have my SR20DETT motor installed with a turbo upgrade. Better yet, tell me where you live and I'll arrange a race between your civic and my boy Chris's 240(S13 SR20DETT swap).

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Ssalll just for clarification... it's SR20DET, if it had two T's it would be twin turbo...

Just clearing that up... it's an honest mistake.. :)

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That video is just that, one video. Whos to say the S14 driver isnt a crappy driver or something. If i see multiple videos of diffrent ITR's beating diffrent SR S14s (stock vs stock) then yeah, Id definately believe. But come on, it was .2 seconds anyway. The time could have been made up with a better launch or the most important factor of all, TIRES.

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Nismo - First, that website about the guy with the GSR ecu...he didn't say that his ECU was chipped, so I figured that it didn't chip. Also, only GSR intake manifold has dual butterfly. ITR's manifold doesn't, so using the GSR ecu in a type R doesn't magically make the Intake manifold has dual butterfly. The only reason I can think of is that when the computer triggers the 2nd butterly to be opened, more fuel is going in, and since the Type R produces more power than the Type R, it would be better to for the engine to respond to a GSR ecu. Also, it is easier to chip a GSR ecu than an OBD2 Type R, but I would have gone with a spoon or mugen ecu if I was him. Also, GSR ecu is NOT hard to chip than the OBD1 Si's...I have done both myself and I wouldn't say like you said earlier. About the double clutch part, I might be wrong, but since my car DID have SYNCHRO, there is not point to use the REAL doubleclutching techique, is there? So the only double clutching is what I discribed earlier, unless there is another name for it, and it's not powershifting. I know that the fuel cut off at around redline, but again, my ECU was chipped and fuel curve was modified. I know I won't be making much, but the Peak HP is around right before redline. If you shift later, in my case, when 2nd gear come, my RPM droppage is not that low, therefore, it would make more HP than if it was dropped 500 or so RPM lower. Shift too early would not make the HP that you car is produced and the droppage is TERRIBLE, therefore, you lose HP.

Freak, if you did not know what I mean, then you should STFU. Get real. And I give myself permission to say douche bag, since douchebag is NOT a word like your stupid Canadian try to speak english.

SSal...if you were smart, you would look at that video again...since when did a KA S14 makes 220 HP? Also, I did say like million of times that it all depends on the driver and you kept saying that I think the ITR would win for SURE!!!!! Also, I was gonna correct you too, but Freak got to it first. We are talking about silvia engines now...not Skylines where the TT come from...but then again, you just fawked up anyways. Get a life kid.

Nismo, about your last post, the S14 DID got a better launch...but again, I never said that the ITR can win 100% all the time. I was comparing it to a KA anyways in the first place, and I don't know how you nuts think that I was comparing it to a SR all the time. Weird.

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I know the OBD1 GSR ecu's arent harder to chip then 92-95 EX/SI, i just meant the EX/SI ecus are easier to get then 94-95 GSR ecu's. You maybe right about the GSR adding more fuel to the ITR motor due to it thinking the 2nd butterflies are opening, but then again the ITR motor is designed for more rpm and since he didnt chip the GSR ecu, he wont be maxing out the ITR motor to 8400 rpm or getting the full benefit of the ITR's engine design.

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Thanks for correcting me FrEak, its with one T. AznRide, anybody knows a stock KA 240 is no match for the ITR. I was trying to make the point that a stock silvia can beat an ITR, even with both cars drivin at its peak performance. ITRs were made for track, not for drag racing. And even with that, its no match for the silvia(S13, S14, & S15). Why Nissan would play us Americans out by giving us the underacheiving KA 240 is beyond me. Lets just finish this whole Nissan vs. Honda bull****.

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I think it what comes down to is which car you'd like to drive around the street as a daily driver. Do you really want to be revving the piss out of your car just to go get milk to prove to yourself that your car's powerful? Do you really want to be revving your car up to 8000 RPM routinely, like you have to with the ITR to get any power? Horsepower is a function of torque, and the ITR's torque numbers are OWNED by the 240's. There's no replacement for displacement. (although I thouht VTEC was supposed to be the replacement for displacement--their torque figures don't lie!) I'd love, love, love to see a 240 with technoman's mods (or a 240 with 200 Crank hp,) race a ITR from 5-60 mph. The ITR would still have the weight advantage, but the clutch would be out in both cars, so the ITR would be at like 1500 RPM, and would go nowhere (comparatively) until 7000 RPM where it gets its max torque. How come I've searched the net and never, ever found 5-60mph times for Civic Si's or ITR's or GS-R's? That's what I want to see, that's the true measure of a street car I think, its 5-60 mph time, that shows real acceleration and torque. I like being thrown back in my seat at 4000RPM, not 8000 RPM. Who wants to dump their clutch at 6000 RPM to accelerate robustly? Not me!Just my .02. Not to knock on the ITR though, stock for stock it would rape a 240!

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Freak, if you did not know what I mean, then you should STFU. Get real. And I give myself permission to say douche bag, since douchebag is NOT a word like your stupid Canadian try to speak english.

I knew exactly what you were talking about...

Your double clutching methods are hilarious, and useless, and crude.....

Double clutching is for downshifting and arguably drifting... not drag racing...

Although i am semi-impressed with you limited knowledge of Hondas, it still doesn't make up for the fact your a pompous jackass... Who rips on some who makes an honest mistake like putting 2 t's after an engine code?

Here's an idea.. next time you make a mistake i hope some sends me an email notifying me so i can personally chew your violated *** out....

When the race goes down, and the 240sx eats the ITR then maybe we can start discussing Nissan without Honda boys, splurging their bottomless knowledge on the people who have yet to learn about them.....

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Nismo...yes i know that no other honda can go over 8200 RPM except for the S2000. The ITR is just a copy of the B18C1, it just has different internals, but the block design is similar. You might be wrong about DOHC si's obd1 ecu are easier to get because when I had my civic, finding one for a pain in the ***, but the GSR one is not an easier task also. I think I have to email the dude and ask him why he chose the GSR ecu.SSal, why did you ***** at me for saying that ITR can take S14 SR20DET and S14 SR cannot lose to a ITR when I cleared said that I was comparing the US.SPec the whole conversation, and I only said once that the ITR beat the S14 SR was in that Clip. You odn't jump in the middle of a conversation and biatching at me.

Mark - You do know that ITR is FWD car right? And you do know that racing up to 60 mph is...well, not a race right? It's the finish line that counts. I know that HP comes from TQ..but if a 160 HP car making 155 TQ, then why is when a 200 HP car making 137TQ? Explain that, I really am not sure how that work out, honestly.

Freak - "so you can get a new brain surgery"Does that even make sense?You said that you exactly knew what i was talking about, then what is your point in your response? SSal made a mistake, a dumb one. Who thinks that SR20DET is SR20DETT is not smart freak, and you know it. I wasn't trying to be a smart ***, but SR20DETT? Get real!!!! If you suck up to him so much, why don't you ask him for his number. When I make a mistake, or YOU make a mistake, I get yelled at so to me, if I ever see you on the street, well, I can make it my last time. I really want to see you come down to U.S in HIN because I wanna meet your pathetic face. Also, MY doubleclutching technique saved .25 of a second off my quartermile time, and I said that it worked for me, so I thought I would help other people to see if it would work for them. I didn't say that YOU MUST USE IT to win. .25 of a second is A LOT in bracket racing, if you ever been in a track for bracket racing, you would know. I never fail to understand my civic. My reaction time was .5 - .6, mostly mid .5 and my ET time was never .1 second higher than what I expected, unless I messed up shifting (I had a bad 3rd gear). Also, I said I didn't care who is gonna win, but I have my money on the ITR because everyone know that an ITR would eat a stock KA 240sx.

One more thing FREAK, you car aint fast like you said it was. running 13's with your KA with some simple bolt ons were BS. This is why I don't wanna listen to you no more. Remember the story Wolf cries wolf?????????

Anyways, I don't want to make this thread any longer. Sscal, you got your point, you made a mistake, we fixed you, all good, no hard feeling. Nismo, we all agreed on our points, so I don't wanna repeat them. Mark, welcome to the conversation, but dont biatch at me when you are like 3 or 4 days behind this thread. And last, Freak, I dont want to hear you anymore. Your 13's 240sx is Bullshiet and I don't wanna hear about it.

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What the hell are you talking about?

You make fun of people who know a little less than you because it makes you feel good....

Your times on the 1/4 mile are pure hearsay, with no real proof...

Picking internet fights are not only pathetic, but show how incredibly stupid and imature you are....

He's not stupid because he said SR20DETT, a mistake does not classify someone as stupid...

I made fun of the bran surgery comment in response to your insults at me fool, not to embarrass someone because of their mistake.....

Like i said before your doucle clutching is silly, i hope the stress you unnecessarily put on your drive train snaps a halfshaft and wreaks havock on anything near by....

Cries Wolf? Give me a break...

Need i state the difference in the prices of a 240 vs a ITR? Exactly, i would expect it to win....

BTW 13sec stock 240 is ludicrous... so why does this concern me?My car isn't stock, and i dont drag race.... i do the circuit...

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Freak, last time I emailed you, you said that I know swat about cars and that your car can beat my car because you car runs low 13's and mine ran 13.5-13.6's. I would show you proof, but I can't because the slips were all in my car when it got stolen. I can try to find my NA 15 seconds flat slip somewhere in my room and take picture of my 2002 event trophies if you want. I dont make fun of people that make them feel stupid. I only make fun of you because you made yourself look stupid. So when you said that SSal said SR20DETT is NOT stupid, then why are you calling me stupid because um...well, give me one example. Only me consider stupid to you, then only YOU considered stupid to me.

Talking about the price, if you reread one of my post, I said that if I have the OPTION of the 2 car, ITR vs 240sx (US.Spec), I would take the ITR. And that was IT. NOthing else. I don't know why you kept jumping into my conversation and ***** me out of mistake that i made, but you give prop for others when they make mistake. I'm done talking to you. I will not response to your post anymore.

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AznRide wrote:Nismo...yes i know that no other honda can go over 8200 RPM except for the S2000. The ITR is just a copy of the B18C1, it just has different internals, but the block design is similar. You might be wrong about DOHC si's obd1 ecu are easier to get because when I had my civic, finding one for a pain in the ***, but the GSR one is not an easier task also. I think I have to email the dude and ask him why he chose the GSR ecu.SSal, why did you ***** at me for saying that ITR can take S14 SR20DET and S14 SR cannot lose to a ITR when I cleared said that I was comparing the US.SPec the whole conversation, and I only said once that the ITR beat the S14 SR was in that Clip. You odn't jump in the middle of a conversation and biatching at me.

Mark - You do know that ITR is FWD car right? And you do know that racing up to 60 mph is...well, not a race right? It's the finish line that counts. I know that HP comes from TQ..but if a 160 HP car making 155 TQ, then why is when a 200 HP car making 137TQ? Explain that, I really am not sure how that work out, honestly.


Azn, i was talking about the sohc ex/si ecu. Its a pretty good and cheap ecu for mods or swaps. The DOHC ecu is a bit harder to get like you said since the only motor that had it in the US was the Del Sol VTEC or importing one from a JDM B16. But the P28 (EX/SI sohc ecu) are easy to chip for all motor B16 application and some GSR applications but then you lose the 2nd butterflies.

The reason the DOHC KA makes 160 hp and 155 torque is displacement. Which is also why a small engine like the B18C5 makes such little torque.

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AzN I know i said you were immature and petty to make fun of others in order to make yourself feel better no that u were stupid (although you double clutching tells me different)....

I would like to email to which i send you the 13 second timeslip... many of my friends have access to my email as i leave msn on all the time.... im sure there's all kinds of angry posts around here that i dont know about that my screen name has probably made... anybody knows that a minor modded KA running 13s is either a lie or an incredible feat... i would be happy to change it, if you find it....

Besides that, dude.... your just one of those people who figure they know more than the rest.... all the time... and when someone says your wrong, your like, uhhh well, it took .25 seconds off my last run, which may or may not be the case.... plus the faact you never admit to being wrong..

A 15 second quarter mile run is not fast, that doesn't impress me nor anyone else...

I know you'll respond to this because you can't help it....

Lastly, common technoman, you have to whoop him...

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aznride: your explanation of double clutching makes me think of ...............RICERS AND THEIR FAST AND THE FURIOUS MISCONCEPTIONS.

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ps: you know alot about hondas. :rolleyes:

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15 second 1/4 time would impress me in my car since its a stock sohc and im so close to breaking into 15's :D But yeah other wise 15's is nothing, 12's and under is something impressive especially from a 4 banger.

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Nismo, oh, i thought you were talking about DOHC, but SOHC is pretty easy to find and when you have it chipped, it will be like the DOHC, but it drinks gas though.

Soldats, if I'm a ricer, then maybe my old 13.5 seconds civic was riced out too huh, and also, I my doubleclutching technique shaved off .25 of a second for me, so I guess that make me rice too huh. I guess you have a really fast car then. I don't make fun of you, but you seemed to make fun of me, so I guess it's my fault for you to make fun of me, just like freak said. Also, if you were smart, .25 of a second is a lot in bracket racing, unless you don't know what bracket racing is like freak, then you are just a child in this drag racing scene and thinks you are fast sh*t.

PS. I know more about honda than you ever know more about 240sx, and I probably know more about 240sx then you ever know YOUR 240sx. Sorry, but I don't like people dissing other cars whehn they know jack sh*t about them.

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Just out of curisosity, what was done to your civic. When i had mine i just had a LS swap since it was all i could afford at the time :( But with i/h/e/clutch it was very quick for what it was. Mine was a 4 door too so no one expected a fast grocery getter :D

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"I my doubleclutching technique shaved off .25 of a second for me"

There it is again, and no proof...

Here's an idea... you don't know half as much as you think you know... you shown us that by your double clutching.... i know what braket racing is, but is that supposed to impress me?

There are plenty of 13 second civics around here, your not unique like you think u are...

Hey buddy, welcome to the real world, most people on this board don't street race, so stop using it as an insult or a means by which to make fun of someone, when i see dyno slips, racing slips, pictures, or any confirming eveidence of you "civic" i may change my mind.....

BTW didn't i say you would respond to this thread again? and just like a beaten wife, they always come back... I hate arguing with you because you think your so witty and intellegent and charming, but everyone hates you, and you try to ignore it...

SolDats read my mind on the double clutching thing :rolleyes

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Spec_R_dc2 wrote:Ok ok guys, this is my abosulute very first post on this forum. I have been to this site many times to check out what goes on in the world of the nissan owners. My friend (Technoman) gave me a heads up on the site ang makes frequent post here. I thought I would register and post due inpart to the discussion of a recent thread started by Technoman ie "Best friend just bought a Type R" Kinda excited to be reading the responses given by most out there. Seems that alot are in favor of my Type R. I deffinatly want to race him since he has never had the chance to try an ITR and I have never owned a car qualified enought to race a 240. LOL anyway I'm really happy to be the owner of a Championship White ITR. Going from a slightly modded 94 civic ex to a ITR is a huge accomplishment for me! Hope to meet and talk with some of you guys on here and at the Saturday meets on Colonial dr. I'll be the one with the Spec. R dc2! ha ha I really think the race will be close as my friend Technoman said. Should know soon!


Was that you with the wingless ITR? I was about to go over but you guys left like 5 minutes later with the S2000.

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No we did not go to the Nico meet this weekend.

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AznRide wrote:Nismo, oh, i thought you were talking about DOHC, but SOHC is pretty easy to find and when you have it chipped, it will be like the DOHC, but it drinks gas though.

Soldats, if I'm a ricer, then maybe my old 13.5 seconds civic was riced out too huh, and also, I my doubleclutching technique shaved off .25 of a second for me, so I guess that make me rice too huh. I guess you have a really fast car then. I don't make fun of you, but you seemed to make fun of me, so I guess it's my fault for you to make fun of me, just like freak said. Also, if you were smart, .25 of a second is a lot in bracket racing, unless you don't know what bracket racing is like freak, then you are just a child in this drag racing scene and thinks you are fast sh*t.

PS. I know more about honda than you ever know more about 240sx, and I probably know more about 240sx then you ever know YOUR 240sx. Sorry, but I don't like people dissing other cars whehn they know jack sh*t about them.


actually yea, your 13.5 second civic was probably riced out. i don't care what works for you and what you think you know. i don't care about drag racing. i was stating the obvious. ricer.

you stick to your straight line racing and i'll stick to my autocross.

ps: another thing you're wrong about. "I guess you have a really fast car then." i don't have a fast car. in fact my car is slow as hell.\


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