AZhitman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:26 pm
Is it too late to put Pelosi on one of those sunk ships?
It's unreal how the DNC can poop all over positive news.
They poo on positive news because it's their job.
Would you be pissed if Nissan didn't praise Toyota about how well the Tacoma was doing?
I think the right is more influenced by Nancy Pelosi then the left.
I speak with many people who tend to vote for left policies and in all my years I don't think Nancy Pelosi's name has been ever spoken. Like seriously no one gives a s*** about what she does/says.
Let me ask you Greg, Rouge, or any other right leaning voter in this thread...
Do you ever wake up, and check what Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan are saying so you can figure out what to think/care about? Or are you your own individual who says although Nancy Pelosi downplayed the employment numbers I can see past her spin because I am not a sheep.
It is very weird to see how some people demonize her. I don't get it.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:26 pm
They did it with the NK/SK talks. They whine about tariff discussions (with even less Econ savvy than Bernie Sanders). They whine about DACA and forget who seized Elian Gonzales at gunpoint. They defend MS13 just because POTUS referred to them as 'animals'' - while they're safe and protected from MS13 thugs.
I haven't heard anything negative about the NK/SK talks but I do have some issues with the NK/US talks...
They are happening in secret and there isn't much coming from them. When you don't trust Trump as far as you can throw him you are nervous about what is happening behind closed doors. But no matter what Nancy Pelosi says I am excited for peace but I don't trust either Kim or Trump so I have my reservations. Also imagine President Franklin Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson talking about Hitler the way Trump talks about Kim. That whole scene should make anyone cringe.
Tariff discussions? You mean Trump saving Chinese jobs while pissing off every ally in the US circle of influence? I am not mad about tariff adjustments I am upset about the trade war. I would love to see this awesome economy not begin to slow.
Yeah Democrats don't REALLY care about those with DACA status because in the 90s a Cuban kid, who's mother died during the Cuba-US crossing, made it to the US but
wanted to go back to Cuba and who's father wanted him back in Cuba stayed with relatives that didn't want him to go back to Cuba so after negotiations with the family failed they forcefully removed him and returned him to his father.
That sounds like a Fox News talking point. Not arguing in good faith man. Yuck.
I don't understand the MS13 talking point from the right...
Like NO ONE wants MS13. NO ONE is defending a gang of murders.
When Trump calls people infestations and animals the right thinks he is talking about the TRILLIONS of MS13 gang members pouring into the Southern US slaughtering anything that stands.
When the left hears that they think he is dehumanizing people who are coming to the US looking for respite from MS13 in Central America. Once people become animals and infestations then they aren't human, they are insects that need to be put down. We need to learn from history or we are
doomed to repeat it.
BTW the left also wants to get rid of MS13 they just don't think every non-white person at the border is one of them.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:26 pm
Cognitive dissonance is the rallying cry of the left. IDGAF about the GOP, but I have a seething disdain for science-deniers and people who openly ignore logic.
You mean the party of family values that rallied around a sexual predator.
The best part is, you don't even know which one I am talking about.
Seething disdain for science-deniers but you DGAF about the GOP? Like you have given up on them entirely? Or you think the DNC denies science and the GOP doesn't?
AZhitman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:26 pm
They cry about firearms, while being guarded 24/7 by men - with guns.
This one is the most interesting...
Those politicians you despise don't have their views on firearms because they are protected by firearms, they have their views because their constituency has those views and to win elections politicians need to agree with their voters.
So in another universe where Dianne Feinstein is a firearm advocate she isn't a California Senator.
My point being, don't blame the politicians for being hypocritical about gun regulation, blame the people who voted them in who want it.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:49 pm
I had to laugh at Rachel Madcow whining about a [staged] pic of a child of an illegal [criminal] border crosser.... She can generate tears for a kid she knows nothing about, but she rallies for thousands to be forcibly ripped from the womb every year?
Clowns. It's not about being humanitarian, it's about scraping up some more voters.
The progressive Dem voter has the intellectual capacity of a dish sponge and their moral compass looks like a roulette wheel.
While Maddow doesn't know the child, she can empathize with her emotions.
I have never had a parent overseas in the military but when I watch those videos of their kids balling uncontrollably when they show up to their school it gets me every time.
This is what it means to be human.
Treat others how you wish to be treated.
Putting yourself in others shoes.
Empathy.
We are a country of laws, and we have procedures...
But what we shouldn't do is go out of our way to actively make them as brutal as possible in order to use the collateral damage as leverage to pass legislation then claim nothing can be done about it then to finally do something.
Where I am from that's considered a d!ck move.
I wish as a nation we could go back to discussing amnesty VS catch and release VS prosecution. Those were the days! You can accomplish any of those things without separating children. I figured as America's we could agree on that but this thread is soo disappointing.
I understand the anti-Trump fatigue but if we give up calling him out (or any other politician) on his BS then we normalize his behavior. Are Trump type candidates what you want to be the new normal? What a legacy to leave the next generations. Remember when a single controversy could taint a whole administration? With Trump it's a new one nearly every week and we lose track of the others. This sh*t is bad news and what is happening at the border is a new low. We are better than this.
As for abortions, neither the left or right want abortions.
One side's solution is making it illegal.
The other side wants to reduce it with sexual education at younger ages, cheap/free contraceptives for those who want it, and further investments and improvements of the foster care system. The extra sex ed, free contraceptives, and foster care will cost more taxes.
The right can be funny about this topic...
George Carlin has a good bit about it.
It reminds me of that cognitive dissonance thing you mentioned earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/AvF1Q3Uid ... =19&end=68
But what do I know, I'm just a person with the intellectual capacity of a dish sponge and a moral compass that looks like a roulette wheel.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:22 pm
I'm pretty centrist, but I'm getting to the point where I just wait for them to pick their next 'boo-hoo du jour,' and I vote the exact opposite.
My strategy is usually to see the policies of those running and find which candidate's solutions best fit what I think can help as many people as possible.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:22 pm
Cognitive dissonance is the rallying cry of the left... IDGAF about the GOP, but I have a seething disdain for science-deniers and people who openly ignore logic.
I'm pretty centrist
I might be wrong here but aren't you a self proclaimed Libertarian?
Are you sure you fit in the center?
You seem to agree with Rouge, and he seems pretty to the right.
AZhitman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:22 pm
Meanwhile, Americans who are sick of being called [racist / misogynist / hateful / gun-nuts / rednecks / Bible-thumpers] are making a point to show up and be heard. It's only going to get worse for the hand-wringing, impotent weaklings on the left.
Why do you think people call those America's those things?