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Adios Rush

It’s Been 5 Years Since Rush Limbaugh Promised to Leave the Country in 5 Years

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"While this month has seen a Supreme Court challenge to the fundamental principle behind the law, which could be its undoing if the justices rule in the plaintiffs’ favor, there has been plenty of positive news about Obamacare this year as well. An additional 11.4 million people enrolled through the exchanges ahead of last month’s deadline and just today the CBO put out a new projection that says it will cost $142 billion, or 11 percent, less to implement over the next 10 years than previously estimated.

Curiously, the host did not host his daily radio show on Monday, with Wisconsin’s Mark Belling sitting in. Could this mean that Limbaugh made good on his promise? "

Hope so! :chuckle:

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The ACA is not going anywhere!

Obamacare Appears to Be Making People Healthier

Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz AUG. 9, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/upsho ... below&_r=0

"Obamacare has provided health insurance to some 20 million people. But are they any better off?

This has been the central question as we’ve been watching the complex and expensive health law unfurl. We knew the law was giving people coverage, but information about whether it’s protecting people from debt or helping them become more healthy has been slower to emerge.

A few recent studies suggest that people have become less likely to have medical debt or to postpone care because of cost. They are also more likely to have a regular doctor and to be getting preventive health services like vaccines and cancer screenings. A new study, published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine, offers another way of looking at the issue. Low-income people in Arkansas and Kentucky, which expanded Medicaid insurance to everyone below a certain income threshold, appear to be healthier than their peers in Texas, which did not expand."

Trump wants to repeal and replace with no details.

The American people and Hillary are going to make sure he does not get the opportunity.

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Obamacare On "Verge Of Collapse" As Premiums Set To Soar Again In 2017

If Obamacare enrollments continue their current trend and insurers continue to hike premiums at alarming rates then Republicans may not have to worry about "repealing and replacing Obamacare" as it might just work itself out "naturally". The 4th open enrollment period for Obamacare begins on November 1, 2016 and industry experts are warning that another year of tepid demand from "young and healthy" Americans could force more insurers out of the exchanges effectively marking the end of Obamacare as we know it. According to a story published by The Hill, 11 million people bought health insurance through the exchanges for 2016 which was drastically below the Congressional Budget Office's initial projection of 21 million.

Well we're shocked! Turns out that whole "adverse selection bias" was a real thing. So you're telling us that young, healthy people don't want to pay for insurance they know they'll never use? We guess America's youth can actually do basic math, after all. Apparently they were able to figure out they would rather take the lower tax associated with Obamacare penalties than the larger tax associated with buying a healthcare policy they'll never use. We guess Millennials are a little less enthusiastic about embracing socialism when the costs are coming out of their pockets.

With America's youth continuing to shun health insurance, insurers are all racking up massive losses on the exchanges. For many insurers the losses will simply result in massive premium hikes but others have decided to withdraw from the exchanges all together. In fact, UnitedHealthCare recently announced plans to exit most state exchanges by 2017 Per The Hill:

In the last month, two major insurers – Aetna and Anthem – both reversed course on their plans to expand in the marketplace. Now, all five of the nation’s largest insurers say they are losing money on the exchanges.

“From a policy point of view, we’re basically seeing the exchanges unravel,” said Michael Abrams, a healthcare strategist with Numerof & Associates who consults for insurers including UnitedHealthGroup.


2016 average premiums were up substantially in most states and, with no one making money, 2017 seems no better. According to The Hill:

Already, many insurers this year are proposing substantial rate hikes with the hopes of making up for higher recent medical costs. The average premium increase next year is about 9 percent, according to an analysis of 19 cities by Kaiser Family Foundation. But some hikes are far higher: Blue Cross Blue Shield has proposed increases of 40 percent in Alabama and 60 percent in Texas.

For her part, Hillary Clinton has vowed to stick with Obamacare insisting that taxpayers just need to spend more money on advertising to drive higher enrollments:

Clinton has already laid out plans to help boost enrollment by making coverage more affordable for people who are still priced out of ObamaCare.

Like Obama, she vowed to invest in advertising and in-person outreach to help more people enroll. Clinton would also increase ObamaCare subsidies so that customers spend no more than 8.5 percent of their income on premiums – down from 9.5 percent under current law.

She has also proposed a tax credit of up to $5,000 per family specifically to offset rising out-of-pocket costs – a side effect of cheaper plans offered under ObamaCare.


Right, more advertising should fix it because no one in the country is familiar with Obamacare. As Obama likes to say when things don't go as planned, it's not that Obamacare is bad it's just that we've failed to explain it properly. No, we think people get it and they just don't like it.

We also find it hard to understand how a Clinton administration could make healthcare cheaper than "free?" Perhaps we should start paying people to take taxpayer subsidized healthcare? If at first you don't succeed, throw more taxpayer money at it...

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Not going anywhere anytime soon as Hillary will see to that

Once the Dems take over the House and Senate Bernie's proposal of single payer healthcare/Medicare for all will become a reality.
You drive a motor vehicle, insurance is required!
Live in The United States, Health Insurance required!
Don't like those rules, GTFO and go live in some third world country with no rules/government

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/busin ... ctionfront

"Some defenders of the law say it is working as intended, harnessing competition to keep premiums as low as possible.

“We have to be realistic,” said Linda J. Blumberg, a health care expert at the Urban Institute, noting that some large companies may not be nimble enough to succeed. “You can’t lower costs without breaking some eggs.”

Not every insurance company is struggling. The exceptions seem to be those that offer the most limited choice of doctors and hospitals and may pay them the least, including plans offered by companies like Molina and Centene, which previously specialized in covering low-income Medicaid patients.

The insurers faring the worst sell plans that resemble those traditionally offered through employers. The plans give customers much greater latitude over where to get care and cover some of the high-priced doctors and best-known hospitals. The trouble is that people signing up for those plans are less healthy — and more expensive to treat — than anticipated.

The companies also say that the provisions of the law aimed at stabilizing the market and protecting them from heavy losses are not working. Several say that consolidation is the answer. Anthem, for example, says the only way it can expand in the marketplaces is by merging with Cigna, a deal the Justice Department is trying to block.

Another remedy is to attract a broader range of customers. “We have to get a healthier pool of people in the market,” said Kurt Kossen, an executive at Health Care Service Corporation, which operates nonprofit Blue Cross plans in several states but lost $1.5 billion last year.

The result could be a market essentially left to insurers that offer the same narrow networks found in Medicaid plans and some remaining Blue Cross plans, said Mr. Levitt, of the Kaiser Family Foundation.

“The market is sustainable but with a different mix of plans,” he said."


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Hey Rogue how come no source?

Is this from another bulls#it right wing website?

Healthcare costs will decrease when every American has healthcare under government mandated single payer healthcare.

No more healthcare CEO's ripping us off with salaries in the tens and hundreds of millions of dollars by denying healthcare to those that need it.

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Hey Howie how about looking at what I post instead of knee-jerk reactions. Shooting the messenger won't change the message. The facts, as stated in the image, come from the United States Congress Joint Committee on Taxation.

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A Ticketmaster ad blocked the source and still does unless one clicks on a tiny x to remove the ad

When President Obama was first elected in 2008 the rapid rise in healthcare costs was the reason he used his political capitol during his first term to make healthcare a priority.
At the same time the republican party decided to oppose everything Obama wanted to accomplish and decided to make it a republican goal of making Obama a one term president.
That didn't work out so well and Obama was reelected in 2012
Lets fast forward. The republican party voted over 50 times to repeal Obamacare.
All failures and a waste of taxpayer money.
Every republican candidate that announced running for president including Trump announced they would repeal and replace the ACA but never clearly stated having a plan on what they would replace it with.
As of today Trump is losing badly in many states that he would need to carry if he expects to win in November.
You are preaching to the few that still believe the chart that you posted.
The facts are the rise in healthcare costs have slowed and the reason they have not slowed further is because of red state opposition in setting up the necessary healthcare exchanges to bring more people into the system.
You and your minority supporters have a lot of work to do if you expect to change any minds because even Fox News this morning is acknowledging a Trump loss.
The ACA will not be going anywhere anytime soon and will most likely be improved upon during the Hillary presidency.

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Wrong again!

2 GOP senators suggest bill to repeal health care law 'dead'

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"WASHINGTON — The initial GOP bill to repeal and replace the nation's health law is probably "dead" and President Donald Trump's proposal to just repeal it appears to be a "non-starter," two moderate Republican senators indicated Sunday as their party scrambled to salvage faltering legislation.

"We don't know what the plan is," said Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La. "Clearly, the draft plan is dead. Is the serious rewrite plan dead? I don't know."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said it may now be time for Republicans to come up with a new proposal with support from Democrats.

"I think my view is it's probably going to be dead," McCain said of the GOP bill. If Democrats are included, he said, it doesn't mean "they control it. It means they can have amendments considered. And even when they lose, then they're part of the process. That's what democracy is supposed to be all about."

Signaling his pessimism as well, Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote on Twitter late Saturday that Republicans will lose their Senate majority if they don't pass health care legislation. The Iowa Republican said the party should be "ashamed" that it hasn't been able to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare.

"WE WONT BE ASHAMED WE WILL GO FROM MAJORITY TO MINORITY," he tweeted.

The White House, anxious for a legislative victory on health care, insisted that it fully expects a GOP repeal and replace bill to pass in the coming weeks that will fulfill Trump's pledge to end Obamacare. Democrats have ruled out negotiating with Republicans unless they work to fix the law, not repeal it.

"Whether it'd be before August recess or during August recess, the president expects the Senate to fulfill the promises it made to the American people," said White House chief of staff Reince Priebus.

At least 10 GOP senators have expressed opposition to the initial bill drafted by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. Republicans hold a 52-48 majority and Democrats stand united against the bill, meaning that just three GOP defections will doom it. The weeklong July 4 recess only raised more doubts among senators as many heard from constituents angry about the GOP bill and the prospect of rising premiums.

McConnell last week said he would introduce a fresh bill in about a week scuttling and replacing much of former President Barack Obama's health care law. But McConnell also acknowledged that if the broader effort fails, he may turn to a smaller bill with quick help for insurers and consumers and negotiate with Democrats.

Cassidy, an uncommitted senator who encountered upset voters this month at a Baton Rouge town hall, rated the chances of Republicans passing broader legislation in the next three weeks at "50-50." He cited questions about the impact on coverage and cost in a revised conservative plan being circulated by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

Cruz's plan, which aims to lower premiums for healthy people, has drawn support from the White House and some conservatives in the House, which would have to approve any modified bill passed by the Senate. But his proposal has limited appeal to Republican moderates such as Grassley, who described the plan as "subterfuge to get around pre-existing conditions."

Cruz on Sunday sought to dismiss Grassley's criticism as a "hoax" being pushed by Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, insisting that people will be able to get the coverage they need at an affordable price. Cruz cast his plan as a compromise to unify the party on a GOP health bill.

"When it comes to repealing Obamacare, what I think is critical is that Republicans, we've got to honor the promise we made to the voters that millions of Americans are hurting under Obamacare," Cruz said.

"In my view failure is not an option," he said.

The growing skepticism among Senate Republicans spurred Trump earlier this month to suggest repealing the Obama-era law right away and then replacing it later, an approach that GOP leaders and the president himself considered but dismissed months ago as impractical and politically unwise.

Cassidy cautioned that if senators are unable to reach agreement by the end of July then a "repeal-only" bill would be a non-starter. Echoing McConnell, Cassidy said Republicans may have to pass legislation instead to stabilize the insurance markets.

"I do think we have to do something for market stabilization, otherwise people who are paying premiums of $20,000, $30,000 and $40,000 will pay even that much more," he said.

Cassidy and Priebus appeared on "Fox News Sunday," Cruz spoke on ABC's "This Week" and CBS' "Face the Nation," and McCain also was on CBS."

So much for repeal and replace on day 1

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Howie, quit waving your cane at passing cars long enough to read your drivel that you posted on 15 Aug 2016.

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White House pitches health bill to skeptical U.S. governors

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"PROVIDENCE, R.I. — The Trump administration is struggling to get support from skeptical U.S. governors for a revised health care bill before the U.S. Senate.

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Seema Verma made their pitch Saturday morning during a closed-door meeting of the bipartisan National Governors Association. Vice President Mike Pence also met several of the governors privately after his public address at the Rhode Island conference on Friday.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, one of the bill's most prominent Republican skeptics, said Saturday it's unlikely they changed anyone's mind.

"I am struggling to validate the numbers that are being presented to me by the administration, versus what I'm hearing from independent (experts), what I'll likely hear from the (Congressional Budget Office), what I'm hearing from back home," Sandoval said after the governors-only meeting.

Sandoval has expressed concerns about the legislation's cuts to the Medicaid program for the poor and disabled. His position is important because of the pressure he could place on Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, a possible swing vote.

There are already two GOP senators opposed to the legislation, so one more "no" vote would kill the bill outright in a Senate divided 52-48 between Republicans and Democrats. "

What is taking the republicans so long to repeal and replace that they promised to do on day one?

Why did they not have a bill ready after voting to repeal more than 60 times?

Seems like they are incapable of governing.

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telcoman wrote:The ACA will not be going anywhere anytime soon and will most likely be improved upon during the Hillary presidency.
Thank God they taught cut/paste in that one-room schoolhouse. Otherwise, we'd never know what's already in the news. :facepalm:

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
I don't see the republicans surviving in the 2018 election

Thus far they have accomplished nothing


GOP reeling after healthcare collapse

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...GTC?li=BBnb7Kz

Republicans are all BS. Unable to govern even with the White House, Senate, and The House

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At least they got there. :)

Say HI to Hillary.

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I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
:poke:

The ACA continues to live another day. :chuckle:

"Watching efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act fall apart was more than just a setback for conservatives who disliked the law, which expanded the government’s role in health care and created an expensive new entitlement program. For some, it was a demoralizing glimpse into a future in which Republicans have all the power in Washington but they are powerless to do anything with it.

“Anytime a party is given this kind of opportunity, you’re judged by the product you produce,” said Josh Holmes, a Republican strategist and former aide to Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader.

The inability to produce is especially problematic for Republicans, which portrays itself as the more capable and efficient party when it comes to running an unwieldy federal bureaucracy. “Where Republicans have their biggest problem,” Mr. Holmes said, “is when all of a sudden they look like they don’t have their hand on the wheel.”

In that sense it is competence — and not the accusations of corruption or collusion that have led to various investigations into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia — that most worries many Republicans."

A perception of ineptitude could be especially damaging for President Trump, who portrays himself as a master problem-solver and deal maker who promised voters that the country under his leadership would be run so competently, “You’re going to be so sick and tired of winning.”

Many conservatives brushed aside doubts about Mr. Trump’s readiness to be president — and his true commitment to conservatism — and voted for him because he represented their best shot at pursuing an agenda that would begin rolling back what they saw as an egregious expansion of government under President Barack Obama.

And while conservatives have much to cheer under Mr. Trump’s presidency so far — a decidedly conservative new Supreme Court justice, a rollback of regulations on business and plans to withdraw from the Paris climate pact — he has yet to fulfill some of his biggest campaign promises.
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David H. Koch, above, and his brother Charles G. Koch are financing a network of groups pressing for tax reform. Credit Phelan M. Ebenhack/Associated Press

Just this week, Mr. Trump recertified the international agreement with Iran that curtails its nuclear program, despite having repeatedly said it was “the worst deal ever” and that he would renegotiate it. And construction of the wall he promised along the country’s southern border has not begun.

“The governing party has to govern,” said John Shadegg, a former Republican congressman from Arizona. “And especially when you make the case for eight years that you can do it: ‘Give us the House; we can fix this. Give us the Senate; we can fix this. Give us the White House and we can fix this.’ ”

“You cannot make a promise for eight years,” he continued, “and simply say, ‘Eh, when push came to shove, our promises turned out to be wrong or too difficult.’ ”

Mr. Trump’s supporters have demonstrated a tendency to forgive. But Republican lawmakers may find voters far less sympathetic. And as conservatives digested news on Tuesday of the failed health care effort, their disgust was evident.

“We may well be witnessing one of the greatest political whiffs of our time,” said Rich Lowry, editor of National Review.

As the radio host Hugh Hewitt took calls from irate listeners, he predicted political ruin for Republican senators like Dean Heller of Nevada who had opposed the bill. “Boy are people mad,” he said. “They are mad as hell.”

But banking on tax reform as a springboard for a dispirited Republican Party may not be a sure thing. The issue does not have the potency and emotion of the Affordable Care Act, which also had an easily demonized antagonist in Mr. Obama. Democrats will be waiting to pounce with criticisms that the Republican plan is a big giveaway to the rich. And the conservative grass roots may find the policy lacking in populist appeal.

Either way, said Levi Russell, director of public affairs for Americans for Prosperity, Republicans need to move in unison on this issue.

“Clearly that’s what we lacked during the health care debate,” he added. “Republicans were not unified around a solution.”

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Unless a unique original thought happens to somehow originate inside your addled old melon, go play somewhere else.

Otherwise, I'll have to assume your account has been hacked and you're nothing more than a spambot.

Seriously, your cut/paste babboonery is almost as irritating as your criminal heroes.

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as your criminal heroes.
Your criminal heroes are currently in the white house.

Drip, Drip, Drip every day

Republicans in full control and in the first six months they have accomplished nothing.
Perhaps you can explain why after seven years of attempting to repeal Obamacare they had no plan ready.
Now they just have a clusterfvck of a plan with a lack of support

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You can read what a flawed candidate you are supporting here.

Excerpts From The Times’s Interview With Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/p ... -news&_r=0

Despite his bad mouthing The New York Times one has to wonder why he agreed to do an interview with them and make himself look so stupid

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Howie, I'm just curious as to why you're giving a pass to the Dem's that created ObamaCare or as it's more laughingly called, The AFFORDABLE Care Act, the single biggest tax increase in the history of ever? Have you forgotten that back in 2013, President Obama had to issue an apology to those who lost their health insurance due to Obamacare regulations? What about the countless hundreds of thousands of people that were forced into health exchanges with high premium rates and even higher deductibles that made the policies essentially useless?

Here's what the New York Post had to say about Obamacare back in 2014:
It now looks like ObamaCare will hurt twice as many people as it helps — because the law isn’t nearly done with canceling people’s insurance.

The 5 million-plus Americans who’ve seen their health plans canceled thanks to ObamaCare will be joined by millions more this year — because the Affordable Care Act makes their employer-provided policies illegal, as well.

If the Democrats hadn't foisted this abomination on the American public, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

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Howie, I'm just curious as to why you're giving a pass to the Dem's that created ObamaCare or as it's more laughingly called, The AFFORDABLE Care Act, the single biggest tax increase in the history of ever? Have you forgotten that back in 2013, President Obama had to issue an apology to those who lost their health insurance due to Obamacare regulations? What about the countless hundreds of thousands of people that were forced into health exchanges with high premium rates and even higher deductibles that made the policies essentially useless?

Here's what the New York Post had to say about Obamacare back in 2014:
It now looks like ObamaCare will hurt twice as many people as it helps — because the law isn’t nearly done with canceling people’s insurance.

The 5 million-plus Americans who’ve seen their health plans canceled thanks to ObamaCare will be joined by millions more this year — because the Affordable Care Act makes their employer-provided policies illegal, as well.

If the Democrats hadn't foisted this abomination on the American public, we wouldn't be in this predicament.
You obviously do not have a clear understanding of the ACA or ObamaCare.

There is a long list of coverages that those policies must provide. There were many policies in existence that were scams but cheap. They were able to refuse payments to policy holders in the same way that third party warranty policies are sold to unsuspecting automobile buyers and never cover repairs..
Everyone living in the United States should have government mandated healthcare and not use hospital emergency rooms for their primary care forcing those emergency room charges on to other taxpayers.

Republicans had seven years to offer improvements and they FAILED.

Democrats are not going to put their hands on TrumpCare.

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Howie I have a very clear understanding of the ACA. It was a badly designed and implemented plan that has been a disaster since the get-go. I understand it well enough to know that I now have to go without health insurance because I can no longer afford it. And to add insult to injury, when tax time rolls around, I'll have to pay a fine for being unable to afford health insurance. So you'll forgive me if I hold a low opinion of everyone that gave birth to this abomination.
DEDUCTIBLES HAVE ALSO SKYROCKETED UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
by Kevin Ryan

Yesterday I posted about the soaring premiums in the Affordable Care Act's health insurance marketplaces, up 105% since just 2013.
As if that isn't bad enough, people are having to pay far more out of pocket before insurance even kicks in. The average individual's health insurance deductible has increased by $1,009 since 2013, to $4,328 in 2017, while the average family's health insurance deductible has risen from $4,230 to $8,352.

And, despite promising an average annual premium decrease of $2,500 per family, Obamacare has actually INCREASED average annual premiums by a whopping $7,140 per family! In just 4 years.

Meaning the average family in the individual market must now pay $12,252 per year for insurance that has an $8,352 deductible... or pay a government fine if they refuse.

Giving more evidence to opponents who say it is not govenment intervention that fixes healthcare, it's government intervention that breaks it.

SOURCES: https://resources.ehealthinsurance.com/ ... macare-cos
https://aspe.hhs.gov/…/2…/IndividualMar ... hanges.pdf
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https://youtu.be/66bgpRRSDD4
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You can read what a flawed candidate you are supporting here.
You're wrong. As usual.

I don't support DJT, but mouthbreathing libby robots like yourself are pushing people like me more and more his way.

I also don't let the slanted media buffoons tell me what to think. I'm far more intelligent than that.

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"Everyone living in the United States should have government mandated healthcare"

Socialist idiocy. If you can't comprehend why this is patently wrong, and a simple violation of freedom (in fact, it's slavery or at the very least, indentured servitude), then there's no hope for a rational discussion.

I'm not sure how you function in a free world, thinking the govt is some benevolent dictator.

Noel, don't try to confuse Howie with facts. He's got a life-sized replica of Hillary's shriveled nutsack on a hemp cord around his neck.

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"Everyone living in the United States should have government mandated healthcare"

Socialist idiocy. If you can't comprehend why this is patently wrong, and a simple violation of freedom (in fact, it's slavery or at the very least, indentured servitude), then there's no hope for a rational discussion.
The number of Americans that disagree with you are rising.

These Americans Hated the Health Law. Until the Idea of Repeal Sank In.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/these- ... li=BBnb7Kz

"When President Trump was elected, his party’s long-cherished goal of dismantling the Affordable Care Act seemed all but assured. But eight months later, Republicans seem to have done what the Democrats who passed the law never could: make it popular among a majority of Americans.

Support for the Affordable Care Act has risen since the election — in some polls, sharply — with more people now viewing the law favorably than unfavorably. Voters have besieged their representatives with emotional telephone calls and rallies, urging them not to repeal, one big reason Republicans have had surprising trouble in fulfilling their promise despite controlling both Congress and the White House.

The change in public opinion may not denote newfound love of the Affordable Care Act so much as dread of what might replace it. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that both the House and Senate proposals to replace the law would result in over 20 million more uninsured Americans. The shift in mood also reflects a strong increase in support for Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor that the law expanded to cover far more people, and which faces the deepest cuts in its 52-year history under the Republican plans."

Why didn't Republicans have a comprehensive replacement plan already available after decrying how bad Obamacare was for more than seven years?
Many more Americans now realize that Republican goals of repealing Obamacare is nothing more than a transfer of federal taxpayer money to provide tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.

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"Everyone living in the United States should have government mandated healthcare"

Socialist idiocy. If you can't comprehend why this is patently wrong, and a simple violation of freedom (in fact, it's slavery or at the very least, indentured servitude), then there's no hope for a rational discussion.

I'm not sure how you function in a free world, thinking the govt is some benevolent dictator.

Noel, don't try to confuse Howie with facts. He's got a life-sized replica of Hillary's shriveled nutsack on a hemp cord around his neck.
So you are going to decline applying for government Social Security and not apply for Medicare when you become eligible?

Medicare and Social Security have worked well for me and millions of others so I think a single payer healthcare system for everyone will work well.
Many republican governors already realize that if Medicaid is eliminated by repealing the ACA their states are facing huge financial problems and will cause huge state tax increases if the federal government no longer provides necessary Medicaid funding.

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'Socialist idiocy. If you can't comprehend why this is patently wrong, and a simple violation of freedom (in fact, it's slavery or at the very least, indentured servitude), then there's no hope for a rational discussion.'

Maybe people should learn to use the english correctly.

The very people who spout all the socialist diatribes are the ones who misuse the word left and right and just like the word 'conservative'. Which when an R says it really means 'Conserve...so I can get it'.

The banks do social work in serving the public. So do the insurance companies.

And government mandated healthcare is NOT the same thing as government backed healthcare with an individual mandate. As such and correct there is no violation of rights there at all. Imagined to add to a personal plight.

Idiocy?

How about screaming about killing babies then doing every possible thing one can do to stop that baby once it is born from performing at its' fullest? An R specialty. And, killing people by reduction of Medicaid IS murder you know. Yes, the individual had some part in that but how R's hide what they do best isn't it? Bury it in the other's actions..............

I love that smugness that has an R say that 'others should get out and work hard like they have' then doing everything he can to make sure no others had the same chances he did if possible. That's camel through the eye of a needle stuff.

Ocare was NEVER going to work, the mistake was in thinking it was (Democrats!) and compounded 10X by letting the insurance companies in to help write policy. Now they have done essentially what the banks did in '08, make themselves big enough they will not be able to fail without dragging the economy down with them. Look for it in the near future. Big business will destroy an entire country if possible before they back away from the profits they used to have. The banks did it and nobody had the balls to correct that and the message has been received and taken to heart. Round II coming up. Brought speedily to pass by our precocious 10 year old president.

Now the ball in the R court and they are going as far to the extreme the other way as they can and that too will be ultra-destructive. It would seem that one would just go back to as close to where we were before as possible, but that simply leaves too many profit opportunities left unturned. Nope, more planet killer stuff coming up, they can't help it, it's in the R DNA.

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So you are going to decline applying for government Social Security and not apply for Medicare when you become eligible?
Most likely, considering I paid into it - from my EARNINGS.

However, I don't need it, I'm not relying on it, and I'd have had 3-5x more if they had let me invest it myself.

See, I don't need mama and daddy gubmint. In fact, I'm not too fond of anyone who's occupied the WH for decades. But you carry on being a loyal subject... I always say, "Do what you're good at." :)

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Assuming that because I disagree with howie makes me a GOP nutswinger would be a losing assumption. Requiring me to pay for someone else's healthcare (through taxation or otherwise) is indeed a slight. Unless you're willing to pay for my vacation home, don't ask me to pay for your healthcare. I understand some cannot. But my wife (an RN) doesn;t work for free, and someone has to pay her. Where will the money come from?

AMC, I agree 100% that the GOP is rushing headlong in the opposite direction, to our detriment. That's the part that the "party-first" morons can't comprehend. They're so intent on defending the DNC or GOP that they forget they're all steaming piles of s***. Cheering for either one is asinine and juvenile.

As you said, Ocare failed (except among the freeloaders who abuse it and the under-the-table recipients of DNC handjobs).

Now, the DNC has to struggle with lots of insurmountable issues, and I suspect the outcome will be that the DNC will fracture or ultimately eat itself. Among these:

Gay marriage - If gender is fluid, what's the argument?
Abortion - If Black Lives Matter, why are they the highest-aborted demographic?
Religion - There's no place for faith, but don't question other fairy tales like karma, chakras, zodiacs, crystals, or the Holy Man in the turban.
Guns - Statistics clobber any left-wing whining about guns, and every lefty celebrity is protected by them.
Minimum wage - Again, statistics.
Freedom - As long as you don't want to buy a gun or knife or 44 oz soda or drive an older car or express an opinion or fly a flag or paint your house green or.... you get my drift.
Drugs - If addiction is indeed a disease, there's a free pass. Don't whine when a drunk driver wipes out your family.
Women's empowerment - but we're not to assume gender, and it's fluid anyway. Someone's gonna need to define 'woman.'
Violence - Left-wing protesters believe it's ok to hinder someone from free movement, and fail to "coexist." That's a problem.
Race - If the ultimate goal is to be color-blind, then we're gonna have to ignore race and just hire the best-qualified applicant. No more quotas.

These are the challenges that will cause the DNC to implode OR sort itself into a party that can be taken seriously again.

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Requiring me to pay for someone else's healthcare (through taxation or otherwise) is indeed a slight. Unless you're willing to pay for my vacation home, don't ask me to pay for your healthcare.
If you drive an automobile you are required to pay for automobile insurance.

If you apply for a mortgage on your home you are required to have homeowners insurance.

If you go to an emergency hospital room without health insurance neither I nor anyone else should have to subsidize your medical costs.

Prior to passage of the ACA rising health insurance costs were rising sharply and since healthcare is more than 1/6 of the entire US economy President Obama took on the job of getting the ACA passed using all of his political capitol to do so. He took a big hit with the rise of the Tea Party but still managed to get reelected in 2012.
Going back to before the ACA was passed is no longer a viable option. The republican opposition had more than seven years to come up with a better solution.
They failed! Not only did they fail they now realize healthcare is much more complicated than they thought.
The ACA requires all healthcare plans provide the following coverage's

https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/wha ... ans-cover/

mbulatory patient services (outpatient care you get without being admitted to a hospital)
Emergency services
Hospitalization (like surgery and overnight stays)
Pregnancy, maternity, and newborn care (both before and after birth)
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment (this includes counseling and psychotherapy)
Prescription drugs
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices (services and devices to help people with injuries, disabilities, or chronic conditions gain or recover mental and physical skills)
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
Pediatric services, including oral and vision care (but adult dental and vision coverage aren’t essential health benefits)

Additional benefits

Plans must also include the following benefits:

Birth control coverage
Breastfeeding coverage

Essential health benefits are minimum requirements for all Marketplace plans. Specific services covered in each broad benefit category can vary based on your state’s requirements. Plans may offer additional benefits, including:

Dental coverage
Vision coverage
Medical management programs (for specific needs like weight management, back pain, and diabetes)

When comparing plans, you’ll see exactly what each plan offers.

Of course the republicans want to offer cheaper plans and reduce the cost but not one of them ever mentions what existing coverage's they intend to remove to reduce the cost.

The more participants that join the ACA is the only way to reduce costs. Republicans refusing to even continue to advertise the availability of these plans in the hope that they can destroy the ACA is leading them to failure.

Healthcare should not be a profit making business.

If and when the republicans lose the house, senate, and the white house single payer healthcare is on the horizon.

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If you drive an automobile you are required to pay for automobile insurance.

If you apply for a mortgage on your home you are required to have homeowners insurance.

If you go to an emergency hospital room without health insurance neither I nor anyone else should have to subsidize your medical costs.
That's an extremely false equivalence and you know it. There is no federal government law requiring individual drivers to carry automobile insurance, only the states do. Are you aware that New Hampshire and Virginia do not require motor vehicle insurance? For that matter, driving an automobile is not mandatory, while ObamaCare is inescapable. As a more accurate comparison, we’d have to implement a special tax penalty against people who refuse to purchase and drive a car. And if we did such a thing, what do you suppose would happen to the cost of auto insurance?

Here's a thought. Why doesn’t the government mandate the purchase of car insurance for every American as soon as they’re born, including government-defined mandatory benefits including routine oil changes and tune-ups, with no surcharge for high-risk drivers with bad records? Failure to comply could result in a “tax penalty.” I mean if they're the same then why hasn't anyone proposed this?

One has to wonder why, if Obamacare is so great, 8 million people opted to pay the tax penalty rather than take the coverage?


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