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telco - Please cite where Greg believes Rush Limbaugh's stuff. All I've seen him do is call Rush an entertainer and not his type of entertainer. You obviously don't pay attention to anything here and blindly spew your stuff, which now clearly includes lies about others.

Do an advanced search of everything Greg has said about Rush. Then come back and apologize for fabricating lies about Greg's views of him.

You want to call out lies by the far right? Turnabout's fair play. And Greg is definitely not far right.

Greg, I know you don't need any defending by me but I'm just really fed up with telco's cr*p and unwillingness to pay attention to anything. He obviously is incapable of thinking for himself.


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telcoman wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:53 pm
AZhitman wrote:
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So far, your record is pretty dismal.
Speaking of dismal records
AZhitman wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:05 am
http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
This so called administrator has been wrong on pretty much everything he has written for over ten years and is another climate change denier.
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I predict he will not be chosen at the convention and someone else will be presented thus handing the election to Hillary

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I don't put a whole lot of stock in the opinions of a semi-literate, doddering Obama nutswinger who needs a mommy and a daddy in the White House, thinks climate change isn't natural (but abortions are), and cites Mother Jones and the Washington Post as reliable sources. Further, I don't have an iota of respect for the unionized socialist NJ-style anti-freedom nonsense that perpetually dribbles out onto the keyboard (when you're not blindly copy/pasting some lefty media diarrhea). Lastly, I rarely watch TV (except NFL games), I don't EVER listen to talk radio (except Dave Ramsey), and possess nothing but pity for someone who changes the subject because they simply cannot keep up with a debate.

The big difference between my past ten years and yours is this: I've built something useful. Thanks for your support. :)

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BTW< I've asked you three times now - Did you vote for this pedo or not?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/politics/ ... index.html

Your silence tells me all I need to know. I don't like DJT, but at least he's not chestering kids or interns like your heroes.

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AZhitman wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:05 am
http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
I see single payer surviving the next election


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... lly-around


"Warren told the editorial board of The Republican on Friday that the Democratic Party has found agreement on the idea that health care should be a guaranteed right for all citizens.'


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telco- practicing deflection and distraction, just like a true right winger. How does it feel to be just like the people you despise?

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He's hopeless.

BTW, after all that lip about the hurricane, it WAS less severe than predicted. Whoops. :)

Elizabeth Warren is an idiot, so no one with a shred of intellect cares about her unconstitutional opinion. The Founding Fathers would have laughed at her ignorance.... and your Senator is a criminal.

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He's hopeless.

BTW, after all that lip about the hurricane, it WAS less severe than predicted. Whoops. :)

Elizabeth Warren is an idiot, so no one with a shred of intellect cares about her unconstitutional opinion. The Founding Fathers would have laughed at her ignorance.... and your Senator is a criminal.
Whoa there! The principle reason the damage wasn't more severe is because we had time to prepare. We're experiencing the largest power outage in the history of the country. More than 874,000 cars fled Florida ahead of Hurricane Irma, and more than 1.3 million people overall left the state starting on Sept. 5th. The storm was massive, completely covering the ENTIRE state of Florida.

The island of Barbuda was nearly wiped off the map, suffering 90-95% damage over the entire island. The Florida keys were hit nearly as bad. My sister is unable to return to see if her home and business are still there or what if anything can be salvaged.

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Why do I have to keep reminding you how misguided you are?

You are as much a failure as the republican controlled congress. :poke:

Medicare for All or State Control: Health Care Plans Go to Extremes

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/p ... v=top-news

"Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the onetime candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, proposed what he called “a Medicare-for-all, single-payer health care system,” and he said 15 Democratic senators supported it.

“Instead of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars trying to administer an enormously complicated system of hundreds of separate insurance plans, there would be one insurance plan for the American people with one single payer,” said a summary of the bill prepared by Mr. Sanders’s office.

At the same time, several Republican senators, led by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, were set to unveil their bill, which would take money spent under the Affordable Care Act and give it to states in the form of block grants.


Their proposal was the last gasp of Republican efforts to undo the Affordable Care Act. Those efforts, which seemed sure of success in January, appeared to meet a dead end on the Senate floor in late July, when Republicans could not muster even a simple majority for a repeal bill."

Republicans = FAIL

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Like I said elsewhere, Howie, the big difference between us is that I don't swing from anyone's genitalia.

Assuming I'm anywhere near GOP is (after all these years) pure, unadulterated lack of comprehension on your part.

Why would you post up MORE cut/paste about healthcare from that loser Bernie? He probably proposes a lot of things that don't happen - like sex with Ms. Sanders. :)

Noah, poor choice of words on my part. I was pointing out that the storm did get downgraded, contrary to ol' Howard's lunatic ranting about it being the apocalypse. Come to AZ. No flooding, no hurricanes, much more senior-friendly, and best of all, our liberals are easy to identify. They say things like, "Would you like fries with that?" and "Hey baby, want a date?" :)

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Like I said elsewhere, Howie, the big difference between us is that I don't swing from anyone's genitalia.
It sure seems like you do!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/p ... ctionfront


With over 7 years of attempting to repeal all the republicans are one huge fail as well as the dupes that believed them.

Bernie has a better plan

"Under the bill, Medicare — now available to people 65 and older and to some younger people with disabilities — would be expanded over four years. In the first year, Medicare would be opened to children through age 18 and to adults from 55 to 64. The eligibility age would be reduced to 45 in the second year and to 35 in the third year, with “every resident of the United States” entitled to benefits in the fourth year."

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And the U.S. to go belly up and default under the excessive debt the fifth year.

Universal coverage must be limited in scope. Preventative checkups and screenings, yes, but that $1 million stage 4 cancer treatment shouldn't be covered. Let the private insurance companies handle policies for most of those types of treatments and let people buy them as they can afford or want. It sounds cruel but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

A lot of what's wrong with our healthcare system would be solved if private insurance returned to the 80/20 coverage it started out as. With low co-pays to the consumer there is no incentive for drug companies and medical providers to reign in costs. When consumers have some serious skin in the game and companies can't sell their products because NO ONE can afford them they will lower prices. Supply and demand.

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Telco, we're still waiting for you to answer the questions you've been asked. I, for one, would really appreciate you to start answering those before you continue with any more of your liberal trolling.

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Telco, we're still waiting for you to answer the questions you've been asked. I, for one, would really appreciate you to start answering those before you continue with any more of your liberal trolling.
The question is what have the republican controlled congress done thus far for the American people thus far besides proposing that more Americans lose their healthcare?

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Telco, we're still waiting for you to answer the questions you've been asked. I, for one, would really appreciate you to start answering those before you continue with any more of your liberal trolling.
The question is what have the republican controlled congress done thus far for the American people besides proposing that more Americans lose their healthcare?

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So you still continue to avoid any discussion or answering of questions. By your silence you are proving yourself to be a liar and a troll.

The questions had nothing to do with the Republican controlled congress. Prove Greg is a follower of Rush Limbaugh.

Plus, I will ask it again: How does it feel to be exactly like the very people you despise?

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Dementia won't be covered under Bernie's system. Even if it were viable, you'd still be screwed. :)

Who is Rush Limbaugh? I remember hearing some of his shows when I was in college - IN 1994.

Coincidentally, that's around the time Howie had his last original thought. :)

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Sometimes, this stuff takes time....

Go ahead, Howie. Ask the NYT which parts of this you should be opposed to, since you haven't had an original thought since your hero was diddling interns. :)

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AZhitman wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:05 am
http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election"
You made an outstanding call Greg. Just like most of your others. :poke:

Senate won't vote on ObamaCare repeal bill

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/35 ... epeal-bill

What a bunch of Republican failures

"Senate Republicans have decided to not vote on their latest ObamaCare repeal legislation, signaling a collapse in their their last-ditch effort to kill off President Obama's signature law.

"It would appear not," Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) told reporters when asked about the prospect of a vote this week.

Senate aides confirmed the decision.

We have a incompetent republican president, an incompetent republican house, and an incompetent republican controlled senate that is unable to govern as well as a few misinformed individuals on this forum that support incompetent government.

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Which one of us supports incompetent government? Go ahead, name names.

I don't know how many times you have to be told that just because someone doesn't buy into your simpering socialist propaganda, doesn't mean they support the incumbent.

Then again, it begs the question, if the GOP is in charge of everything except the media and those who can't vote, why can't the Dems win an election? One thing I learned in sports and business: Losers cry when they should be working.

Seriously, the nursing home staff wherever you're at should be fired for not keeping you medicated. I'll make a call if you'd like. :)

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...Then again, it begs the question, if the GOP is in charge of everything except the media and those who can't vote, why can't the Dems win an election? One thing I learned in sports and business: Losers cry when they should be working...
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Maybe the jig is up?

Maybe POTUS isn't really a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe, a 'scumbag.'

Maybe he just sucks at communicating. Kinda like Howie. :)

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I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
A republican (misfit) president, a republican congress and the ACA has not been repealed or replaced with something better as Trump promised the American people during the campaign

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... rid=252279

"Progressive groups and lawmakers plan to use a Texas judge's ruling against ObamaCare to jumpstart their push for “Medicare for all” in the next Congress.

Supporters of a single-payer health system are arguing that now is the time to start moving in a new direction from the Affordable Care Act, in part because they feel the 2010 health law will never be safe from Republican attempts to destroy or sabotage it.

“In light of the Republican party’s assault, a version of Medicare for all is necessary for the future," said Topher Spiro, vice president for health policy at the Center for American Progress. "There are just too many points of vulnerability in the current system.”

The court decision in Texas that invalidates ObamaCare in its entirety came on the heels of sweeping Democratic victories in the midterm elections, a combination that has energized advocates of Medicare for all.

“We need to do everything we can to ensure every single American has access to affordable, quality healthcare. Medicare for all has the potential to do just that as it can reduce the complexity and cost with a single payer health care system,” Rep. Debbie Dingell (D- Mich.), co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus, said in a statement to The Hill.

Yet the effort could very well create divisions within the Democratic Party, as leaders who want to protect and strengthen the health law are reluctant to completely embrace government-run universal health insurance.

In the House and Senate, leading Democrats have said their priorities should be strengthening ObamaCare, rather than fighting over single payer.

The lawsuit in Texas is almost certain to be overturned, they argue, and their time is better spent making sure people with pre-existing conditions remain free from discrimination by insurers.

“I think the ruling gets overturned within a couple months, so I’m not sure it matters in the long-term fight over the next generation of health care reform,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said Democrats should focus on making sure the insurance landscape doesn't revert to what it was before ObamaCare.

“The first thing we have to do is make sure people don't lose what they have today -- the pre-existing conditions protections -- and going back to the days when there was health care for the healthy and the wealthy,” he said.

U.S. District Court Judge Reed O'Connor this month struck down the Affordable Care Act, throwing a new round of uncertainty into the fate of the law.

O’Connor ruled that the law's individual mandate is unconstitutional, and that because the mandate cannot be separated from the rest of the law, the rest of the law is also invalid.

The court case, brought by 20 GOP-led states, was at the center of this year's midterm campaign after Democrats attacked Republicans for supporting the lawsuit and seeking to overturn ObamaCare's protections for pre-existing conditions.

His total failure to deliver on his promise to repeal and replace the ACA with a better cheaper plan will now lead the democrats to finally finish the job and provide single payer healthcare.

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The Trump administration, in a rare move, declined to defend the law in court, arguing instead that the pre-existing condition protections should be overturned."

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It Sure Looks Like This Obamacare Program Has Led to More People Dying

The authors of one 2016 study suggested that the lower readmission rates "point to how Medicare can improve the care that patients receive through innovative payment models." It offered proof, and hope, that with the right incentives, Medicare could save money and provide better care.

A new study appears to dash that hope, at least as far as readmissions are concerned.

The study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) and conducted by by researchers associated with Beth Israel Deaconess Medical and Harvard Medical School, looked at hospitalizations between 2005 and 2015. It found that "30-day post-discharge mortality"—the number of people who died within a month of leaving the hospital—increased for heart failure patients after the readmissions penalty program was implemented.

Although heart failure mortality was already on the rise, the rate of increase became more rapid after Medicare started penalizing readmissions. In addition, mortality rates amongst pneumonia patients, which had been stable, increased.

Fewer people were being readmitted to hospitals, but more people were dying. (emphasis mine)

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I can't imagine being so blindly devoted to someone you've never met, while blindly hating someone you know nothing about.

Howie's no different than the goobs that knock on your door to proselytize. What's wrong with being a misfit, Howie? Care to elaborate on that?

In fact, don't post again until you can explain that comment. Tell me exactly what is your issue with "misfits."

It'll be a cold day in hell before I contribute one thin dime to your healthcare, though. Come and take it yourself, if you got the balls.

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while blindly hating someone you know nothing about.
What's wrong with being a misfit, Howie? Care to elaborate on that?
In fact, don't post again until you can explain that comment. Tell me exactly what is your issue with "misfits."
It'll be a cold day in hell before I contribute one thin dime to your healthcare, though.
I'm going to speak for Howie.

Misfit is something that fits badly or a person who is poorly adapted to a situation or environment.

Is Donald Trump a good fit for President?

This is obvious. He's not.

Is Howie allowed to come out and post now? :sad:

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Opinions are cool.

As long as someone maintains the same position towards all "misfits," and embraces only those who conform, comply, and fit their preconceived notion of 'who belongs where,' then it's not a hypocritical position.

See, that's like saying BHO wasn't fit to be POTUS because he's black, or HRC wouldn't be it because she's a woman. It's not a defensible position, which is the hazard of personalizing issues, rather than addressing facts.

Otherwise, it's just more hyper-politicized derangement from someone who has a lot to say, but can't defend their position. It's the debate equivalent of blindly lobbing a grenade into a crowd, then running like a coward.

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Otherwise, it's just more hyper-politicized derangement from someone who has a lot to say, but can't defend their position. It's the debate equivalent of blindly lobbing a grenade into a crowd, then running like a coward.
You're not crazy. I noticed that as well.
I wish there was more discussion and less spam posting the news of the day.

I will counter with this:
Maybe Howie is playing fire with fire?
Maybe it's his response to others on here posting silly political memes from grandma's email chain?

I hope everyone remembers how Obama was unfit because he ordered a burger with dijon
mustard, wore a tan suit, and a fist bump with his wife that was described as a "terrorlst fist jab".
There are probably more silly things that I'm unaware of because I don't watch state media.
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As long as someone maintains the same position towards all "misfits," and embraces only those who conform, comply, and fit their preconceived notion of 'who belongs where,' then it's not a hypocritical position.

See, that's like saying BHO wasn't fit to be POTUS because he's black, or HRC wouldn't be it because she's a woman. It's not a defensible position, which is the hazard of personalizing issues, rather than addressing facts.
I disagree with the example you used.
Disliking the POTUS' lack of conformity isn't the same as someone's race or sex.
Trump can change his behavior, he's not a child. Bad outcomes occur, change your inputs.
You can't do that with your race or sex. However I understand your point.

So what does it mean to call Trump unfit for the Presidency?
To answer this question we need to agree on certain principles of the office.
There are always people on the extremes but the average American should agree on certain principles.
Ultimately it requires less mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that Trump is unfit.

If you need it to be laid out in more detail maybe you're not paying enough attention?

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I hope everyone remembers how Obama was unfit because he ordered a burger with dijon
mustard, wore a tan suit, and a fist bump with his wife that was described as a "terrorlst fist jab".


Exactly. Yet, here we are, giving credence (perhaps full assent) to an unsubstantiated allegation of "unfit."

Let's not use distraction to let Queen Copypasta off the hook. As humans gifted with intelligence and language, we should say what we mean, and we mean what we say.
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Disliking the POTUS' lack of conformity isn't the same as someone's race or sex.
Trump can change his behavior, he's not a child. Bad outcomes occur, change your inputs.
I'll give you that one - bad example. How about sexual preference, or religious beliefs, instead? Plenty of persecution of those "misfits" in recorded history. Are we seeing some doddering old loon marginalize a man for believing differently? If so, my allegation of hypocrisy is reinforced.

I'm no fan of "conformity," so I'll bristle any time someone criticizes it (unless it interferes with functionality, which I think you're gonna allude to - possibly accurately). Remember, I'm not here to defend POTUS, which frustrates the simple-minded mushheads who can only see red and blue. I'm asking to raise the bar - to ensure criticisms are grounded in fact, not media-fed derangement from Granny's chain emails.

If one can't intellectually defend their position, they lose. That's the nature of debate.

Interestingly, the most vocal (loudmouths on both extremes) are exactly the least capable of defending their positions. Hi Howie. :)
RCA wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:40 am
So what does it mean to call Trump unfit for the Presidency?
To answer this question we need to agree on certain principles of the office.
There are always people on the extremes but the average American should agree on certain principles.
Principles... like 2 genders, sovereignty, secure borders, Constitutional rights, etc? ;)

In all seriousness, then we get into defining "average" and which principles "should" be agreed upon. It's far from quantifiable. My suspicion: If he'd keep his a** off Twitter, he'd be far more respected. God knows, none of his good moves have gotten any press, because it's too easy for the weak-link talking heads to chase the low-hanging fruit - most of which is laying on the ground... easy pickin's.
RCA wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:40 am
Ultimately it requires less mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that Trump is unfit.
You call it mental gymnastics, I call it critical thinking and independent reasoning. But yeah - it's certainly easier for the yogurtheads to scream at the sky and clutch their binkies, because "Orange Man Bad."

BTW, your intervention, although well-handled and respectable, isn't proxy. You've defended your ground, but his hill remains overrun.


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