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telcoman wrote:
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If you drive an automobile you are required to pay for automobile insurance.
Nope. You can be self-insured. Look it up.
telcoman wrote:
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Healthcare should not be a profit making business.
More socialism. Why, then, would anyone enter the medical field? Did you fail Econ 101? Why don't you ever answer legitimate questions?


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telcoman wrote:
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If you drive an automobile you are required to pay for automobile insurance.
Nope. You can be self-insured. Look it up.
I'm not a sycophant or part of the one tenth of one percent billionaires or millionaires like you that wants more tax cuts to benefit themselves and screw everyone else.
telcoman wrote:
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Healthcare should not be a profit making business.
AZhitman wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:11 pm
More socialism. Why, then, would anyone enter the medical field? Did you fail Econ 101?
AZhitman wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:11 pm
Why don't you ever answer legitimate questions?
The legitimate question that you are unable to answer is why after more than seven years trying to repeal the ACA, why do your republican friends not have a viable and complete health plan ready?
Why wasn't this done as promised by Trump on day one?
Thus far in more than 6 months Trump as no major legislation passed.

If you are referring to Social Security, Medicare, VA, FDA, EPA, FAA then yes we need more what you call socialism to provide healthcare to all.
The reason many enter the medical field is they are not like you but want to make a difference in their lives and help people and not destroy society like you.

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Trump warns of 'repercussions' of healthcare failure

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

"President Trump tweeted a warning about healthcare on Sunday evening, saying, "If Republicans don't Repeal and Replace the disastrous ObamaCare, the repercussions will be far greater than any of them understand!"

It was one of several tweets the president sent on Sunday, and comes ahead of a planned Senate vote this week on revised healthcare reform legislation.

A number of serious problems mean that the chances of getting that bill passed are slim to none.

In an earlier tweet, Trump targeted some unnamed members of his party, saying "sad" Republicans who benefited from his electoral coattails in the 2016 election now won't "protect" him.

"It's very sad that Republicans, even some that were carried over the line on my back, do very little to protect their President," Trump tweeted."

What a huge FAIL!

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As soon as Democrats regain power which they eventually will.

The last republican to occupy the white house was the cause of a financial meltdown from which the US has still not fully recovered from.
The present occupant is causing just total chaos.

Jimmy Carter predicts US will eventually have single-payer healthcare system

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/34 ... healthcare

"Former President Jimmy Carter (D) predicted that the U.S. will eventually switch over to a universal single-payer healthcare system, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.

Carter, 92, made the remarks ahead of teaching his Sunday school class in Plains, Ga.

“When I was in the White House, I tried to get Medicare to cover everyone,” he said.

Carter’s speech comes as Republicans are struggling in their attempt to repeal and replace ObamaCare in the Senate. A procedural vote on their bill is expected on Tuesday.

Single-payer healthcare programs have been gaining traction among members of the Democratic party, with Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), two potential 2020 presidential candidates, both backing the Medicare-for-all program.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) also centered his 2016 presidential bid around universal healthcare, calling for a system that “makes healthcare a right, not a privilege.”

Carter was recently treated for dehydration after he was sent to the hospital while building houses for Habitat For Humanity. He was released the next day and continued his construction work that morning."

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From the Washington Post:
What liberals get wrong about single payer
Michael Moore greeted the introduction of Obamacare with an admission many liberals will cheer. “Obamacare is awful,” he wrote.

There are few truly single-payer systems in the developed world. Canada has one, as does Taiwan. Most countries rely on many, many insurers. Germany, for instance, has more than 150 “sickness funds.” The Swiss and Dutch health systems look a lot like Obamacare’s health-insurance exchanges. In France, about 90 percent of citizens have supplementary health insurance. Sweden has moved from a single-payer system to one with private insurers. Yet all these countries pay vastly less for drugs, surgeries or doctor visits than Americans do.

Why? Because in every case the government sets prices for health-care services and products. Insurers in Switzerland don’t negotiate drug prizes with Pfizer. The Swiss government simply sets its drug prices and lets Pfizer decide whether to sell in Switzerland -- or not.
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Quora: Why Single Payer Healthcare Won't Work
Why does America not have single-payer healthcare? Because single payer plans like the UK’s NHS and Canada’s national healthcare system are running into the same exploding financial problems that the United States is having due to the tremendous costs of new technologies and new expensive drugs. Those systems are not handling the growth in expenses well either.

Most Americans don’t want what a federally run program would entail. They don’t want their options reduced. They don’t want to be put on waiting lists. They don’t want to lose their choice of physicians and hospitals. They don’t want bureaucratic layer upon layer getting in the way of their healthcare. In short, they don’t want what Medicaid patients currently get. They also don’t want what we’ve been hearing that a significant number of American’s veterans get.

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From National Review:
Single-Payer Is Not around the Corner
This is because social democracies are incredibly expensive: There simply aren’t enough rich people to carry the entire burden of the welfare state, so everyone ends up paying a lot. All income above 1.2 times the average Danish income is taxed at 60 percent. In America, that would mean a 60 percent marginal tax rate on all income over $60,000. There are also hefty value-added taxes — 25 percent in Denmark — that apply with few exceptions to goods sold in the country. These are actually regressive, since lower-income households spend a greater portion of their income on consumption.

Poll after poll has found support for single-payer — up until the moment that people are told it will increase their taxes. It turns out that while everyone is very happy with the idea of universal health care, paying for universal health care is divisive.

Americans are not likely to tolerate large tax hikes on the middle class and most Americans do not want to lose their current insurance — it is hard to imagine any transformative left-wing health reform. Any realistic health-care proposal would have to leave 85 percent of America alone — those on employer plans and those on Medicare or Medicaid.
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Higher taxes and longer wait times for health care, I'm sure Americans will LOVE it!
Crossing the Border for Care
TORONTO — When Sharon Shamblaw was diagnosed last summer with a form of blood cancer that could only be treated with a particular stem cell transplant, the search for a donor began. A Toronto hospital, 100 miles east of her home in St. Mary's, Ontario, and one of three facilities in the province that could provide the life-saving treatment, had an eight-month waiting list for transplants.

Four months after her diagnosis, Shamblaw headed to Buffalo, New York, for treatment. But it was too late. She died at the age of 46, leaving behind a husband and three children, as detailed by the Toronto Star.

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, "Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. "It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death," the report says. "Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life."

Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically "reasonable."

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
One hundred and eighty eighty days since Trump took office and Obamacare still lives.

Senate Sets Up Slew of Health Votes for Chaotic Obamacare Debate

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... are-debate

"Senate Republicans have embarked on an unpredictable and potentially chaotic floor debate aimed at repealing Obamacare amid significant doubts that they can muster 50 votes to pass any kind of health bill.

GOP leaders will hold votes on a slew of different health bills to see how close they can get to passing something. The debate -- which will be punctuated with skirmishes over obscure rules and parliamentary challenges -- will culminate in an all-night "vote-a-rama" later this week that could feature dozens, or even hundreds, of amendment votes."

Now many of them claim who knew healthcare could be so hard

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Republican controlled

Senate Votes Down Broad Obamacare Repeal

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/p ... -news&_r=0

"WASHINGTON — The Senate voted narrowly on Tuesday to begin debate on a bill to repeal major provisions of the Affordable Care Act, but hours later, Republican leaders suffered a setback when their most comprehensive plan to replace President Barack Obama’s health law fell far short of the votes it needed."

"The Tuesday night tally needed to reach 60 votes to overcome a parliamentary objection. Instead, it fell 43-57. The fact that the comprehensive replacement plan came up well short of even 50 votes was an ominous sign for Republican leaders still seeking a formula to pass final health care legislation this week."

"Senate Republicans still have no agreement on a repeal bill that they can ultimately pass to uproot the law that has provided health insurance to millions of Americans."

"Arizona is one of the 31 states that expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, and Mr. McCain’s remarks could reflect concerns of other senators from states that expanded Medicaid, including the junior Republican senator from his state, Jeff Flake.

“We are ground zero for the failure of the exchanges, but we are also an expansion state,” Mr. Flake said. “I think all of us are concerned that we don’t pull the rug out from people.”

So much for repeal on day one!

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Here's how much members of Congress pay for their health insurance

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/25/heres-ho ... rance.html

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As members of Congress debate whether to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, it seems fair to ask: How much do they pay for health care? The answer is that, while they don't pay nothing for coverage, they don't pay much.

As the myth busting website Snopes points out, "contrary to popular belief, Congressional members do not receive free health care." Instead, they choose a gold-level Obamacare policy and receive federal subsidies that cover 72 percent of the cost of the premiums.

In short, Snopes reports that members of Congress and staff "pay approximately 28 percent of their annual healthcare premiums through pre-tax payroll deductions." They also have access to "free or low-cost care" through the Office of the Attending Physician as well as "free medical outpatient care at military facilities" in the D.C. area.

That's a pretty good deal, especially given that the average 21-year-old making $25,000 a year would be charged $282 per month for a silver Obamacare plan, and pay about half of that, or $142, thanks to subsidies, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

But, Jeffrey Frank of The New Yorker reports, one of the reasons legislators might be fixated on doing away with Obamacare is because they used to have a deal they liked even better. Before, they were covered by a "beloved, and by most accounts well-administered, federal plan" called the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP).

Were the ACA to be repealed, legislators would get to return to that "comfortable" situation. They would still enjoy many of the ACA's protections: under FEHBP plans, "no one can be refused, or charged more, for a preëxisting condition" and "dependents under twenty-six are covered," Frank writes. Unfortunately, he adds, "twenty million other Americans won't."

"Federal subsidies for insurance under FEHBP would remain stable at 72 percent, so even if they returned to their former plan, members of Congress would pay the same percentage of their costs that they currently do. They would not get health insurance for free. These days, fewer and fewer people do. In 2001, 34 percent of employers paid for 100 percent of their employees' premiums. In 2016, Forbes found, that had dropped to only nine percent of employers.

"Since its inception, the Best Companies to Work For list has seen a 74 percent reduction in honorees covering the full cost of their workers' health insurance," Forbes reports.

In fact, the rising cost of health insurance and the burden it places on employers is one of the reasons experts say you shouldn't expect a raise any time soon. Unfortunately, the current repeal-and-replace efforts are not expected to do much to rein in those costs."

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Obamacare lives another day

Health Care Vote: Senate Rejects Repeal Without Replace

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/p ... -news&_r=0

"The Senate on Wednesday afternoon rejected a proposal to repeal major parts of the Affordable Care Act without providing a replacement. Follow the live vote tracker to see how each senator voted.

• President Trump lashed out Wednesday morning at Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, one of two Republicans who voted on Tuesday against beginning debate on repealing the health law.

• Blue Cross Blue Shield warns senators against repealing the mandate that almost everyone have insurance without something to take its place.

Senate rejects ‘repeal only’ measure

The Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure that would have repealed major parts of the Affordable Care Act but would not have provided a replacement, signaling that the “clean repeal” bill that conservatives have embraced cannot get through Congress.
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The vote, 45-55, underscored the bind that Republican leaders have found themselves in. Seven Republicans voted against the measure — Senators Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Susan Collins of Maine, Dean Heller of Nevada, John McCain of Arizona, Rob Portman of Ohio, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska — showing that repealing the health law without an immediate replacement lacks crucial support among Republicans.

But a more comprehensive measure that would have repealed major parts of the law with a ready replacement also came up short on Tuesday night.

With neither approach viable, Senate Republican leaders may have no choice but to fall back on a third choice: Push a far more limited measure that repeals parts of the Affordable Care Act, such as its mandate that most people have insurance and a tax on medical devices, but leaves most of President Barack Obama’s signature health law in place. Senators would then take their narrow bill into negotiations with the House, which passed a comprehensive measure to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.
Where did everything leave off Tuesday night?

Understandably, confusion is rife over what the heck is happening on the Senate floor: What was that vote Tuesday night? Why did Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, give that impassioned speech saying he would not vote for the Senate health care bill as it stands, then turn around and cast a yes vote on Tuesday night?

When the Senate voted 51-50 to begin debating the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, technically senators were bringing the repeal bill that was passed in the House to the Senate floor. For now, that is the bill that senators are trying to reshape.

On Tuesday night, Senate Republican leaders brought to the floor their most complete version of a plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. That measure had been worked out behind closed doors by the majority leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, and it would dismantle major parts of the current health care law, including the requirement that most people have health insurance.

But it also included an overture to Senate conservatives, a measure championed by Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, that would allow insurance companies to sell stripped down, low-cost insurance plans as long as they also offer insurance policies that comply with federal standards, including the requirement that plans cover “essential” services like maternity care, mental health treatment and prescription drugs.

For moderates, the legislation includes $100 billion to help pay out-of-pocket medical costs for low-income people.

Because that broad version of the Senate health care measure had not yet been assessed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, it needed 60 votes to overcome a Democratic objection that it violated Senate rules.

But it got only 43 votes, demonstrating that even after weeks of refining the legislation, Senate leaders still fell far short of enough support for their replacement plan, from both ends of the party’s ideological spectrum.

Mr. McCain had previously made clear that he wanted to secure amendments to that broad repeal-and-replace bill. The vote on Tuesday night could be interpreted as a sign of support for that general approach.

The debate goes on.

On Wednesday, the Arizona Republican let his leaders know what he wants. Mr. McCain’s office said that he had filed three amendments meant to address concerns from leaders in his home state of Arizona, including the governor, Doug Ducey, a Republican.

Arizona is one of 31 states that expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, and the amendments would all address Medicaid. One of them would extend the phase out of the Medicaid expansion to 10 years, considerably longer than the bills under consideration. Another would increase the growth rate for Medicaid payments to states to better reflect health care inflation."

Now it is not only all of the Democrats opposed, but many republicans are no longer afraid to stand up to a president that is proving to be not only unfit for the job of POTUS but a weakling who is willing to throw his most ardent supporters under the bus.

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Aetna CEO: Obamacare 'cannot be repealed, period'

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/03/aetna-c ... eriod.html

"Congress needs to move on from repealing the Affordable Care Act, says Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini.

"The ACA cannot be repealed, period, end of sentence," Bertolini told CNBC's "Closing Bell" on Thursday.

"What we should do is fix it. So either everyone gets their heads together over in the Senate and the House and does the job that the American people needs them to do, and fix what we already have, or they should move on to something else," he said.

"It's really easy to fix this if they would just get over the politics of who is going to win the '18 election."

For Aetna to rejoin the Obamacare markets, Bertolini says, the system needs to become more stabilized. "


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I'm not a sycophant or part of the one tenth of one percent billionaires or millionaires like you that wants more tax cuts to benefit themselves and screw everyone else.
See, Howie, this is why it's not even a fair fight with a mental midget like you. I don't like taxes AT ALL. And tax cuts don't make me money, nor do they screw everyone else. If you had paid attention in Econ 101 instead of diddling yourself to your autographed picture of Karl Marx, you'd know that. Assuming I'm any more well-off than you is stupid, and even if I am, maybe I worked harder / longer / smarter than you did.

Of course, as a tit-swinging liberal, you'd never figure that out. After all, only celebrities and athletes should be well-off, right? Not those of us who worked 80-90+ hours a week, saved religiously, and spent frugally. Sorry you didn't get the memo. Shove your classism up your a**.
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The legitimate question that you are unable to answer is why after more than seven years trying to repeal the ACA, why do your republican friends not have a viable and complete health plan ready?
Unreal. I don't vote GOP. Then again, I've posted that no less than 100 times, but you're too busy copying/pasting drivel to get it.

I oppose ANY universal healthcare plan. You don't have the RIGHT to the services or labors of another person unless you pay for it. Period.

It's amazing that libtards can dismiss faith, dismiss God, dismiss in intelligent Creator in favor of evolution and survival of the fittest, but then they poop their pants when the evolutionary reaper shows up at their door. Yeah - reconcile that. The ACA is a joke, and so is whatever replaces it.
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The reason many enter the medical field is they are not like you but want to make a difference in their lives and help people and not destroy society like you.
Your girlparts are leaking again. And again, you assume way too much. I worked in healthcare, you blithering nitwit. Psych, specifically. Nearly two decades. My wife is an RN. Care to continue your pablum-spewing nonsense?

BRB, gotta go destroy society. LOL

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From your OWN cut/paste party:

"Americans are not likely to tolerate large tax hikes on the middle class and most Americans do not want to lose their current insurance — it is hard to imagine any transformative left-wing health reform. Any realistic health-care proposal would have to leave 85 percent of America alone — those on employer plans and those on Medicare or Medicaid."

Let me translate that for you, since you clearly didn't read it, or absorb how that illustrates my point perfectly: Those of us who worked and saved are sick of being penalized for success.

Do I want poor people to die? Of course not. But how many have YOU adopted and paid for? How many, Howie? Answer the f***ing question. Are you willing to do more? No, you want ME to pay for it, and leave you alone, so you can feel morally superior. Well, moral superiority gets you nothing, Sunshine.

As the article states, no lefties have an answer. The ACA is crap, and while it may be a great safety net for a small minority, it panders to the lazy and those unwilling to fight for their own survival. Meanwhile, the majority (the 85% referenced in the article YOU posted) aren't interested in seeing their hard-earned money go to support those who won't even try.

If you want to be charitable, do it. I suspect you're not.

But don't use your libtarded lefty goons to strongarm me into paying for something because you're too much of a puss to do it yourself. That's criminal, and some of us fight back against criminals.

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Noel, you big meanie - You didn't include a single article from Mother Jones or Cosmopolitan in your list.

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Noel, you big meanie - You didn't include a single article from Mother Jones or Cosmopolitan in your list.
Or The New York Times!

Republican Senator Is on a Mission to Rescue the Health Care Law

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/p ... ctionfront

"After Senate Republicans’ failure to repeal Obamacare, Mr. Alexander has set out on what he sees as a rescue mission to stabilize the insurance program by guaranteeing the consumer subsidies to insurance companies that President Trump has threatened to cut off, while granting states more flexibility to offer different insurance options.

He and Senator Patty Murray of Washington, the top Democrat on the panel who has been a productive negotiating partner with Mr. Alexander in the past, have agreed to convene hearings when the Senate returns in September and to try to push some minimalist legislation through Congress by the end of the month."

Plenty of good info on healthcare in The New York Times.

And Greg

Trump reads it, perhaps you should too and become educated

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Anytime you'd like to compare intellects, Sunshine, I'm your Huckleberry.

Here's a hint: You don't become "enlightened" reading media drivel. We've established that time and time again.

As I suspected, you've got nothing to say when tough questions are posed. :)

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Over 200 days of Trump

No repeal, no replace, no wall, no infrastructure, nothing but BS just like Greg!

Republican Senator Is on a Mission to Rescue the Health Care Law

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/p ... front&_r=0

"The Republican effort to overturn the law is in shambles and the insurance program itself is in serious trouble, leaving Mr. Alexander to try to pick up the pieces. And he is doing so in a way that is virtually unheard-of in today’s Washington — an overtly and unashamedly bipartisan approach."

It's becoming harder day by day to discern who is spewing more BS, Trump or Greg?

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Considering you can't answer simple questions, I'll take that as a compliment. Much appreciated! :)

Did you think better of your intellect challenge? Considering your last original thought probably happened during the BillyBob Administration, I'll take that as a yes.

I'm sure if your old parts still worked, you'd be tugging your pud over the thought that I give a damn about Trump or that loser hag Clinton. Did you hear she wants to be a pastor now? HAHAHAHA

Those of us who actually accomplished something in life don't need to worry about government healthcare. :)

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Last year, over 6 million Americans VOLUNTARILY chose to pay a fine rather than sign up for that socialist turd of a plan.

But let's take the word of one crackpot who reads Mother Jones... After all, 6 million people is roughly the population of Missouri. ;)

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Continuing to FAIL!

Trump administration shifts tone on Obamacare, signals openness to bipartisan 'fix'

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

"BRIDGEWATER, N.J. — The Trump administration, thwarted in several attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act, notably shifted tone Wednesday, opening the door for a bipartisan plan to "fix" the law.

The change came even as a fight escalated between President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., over who is to blame for the Republican Party's failure to repeal Obamacare."

Wondering what will come first from our AHole POTUS?

A fix of the ACA or a full scale war with North Korea?

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/congressio ... obamacare/

I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
I don't see Trump surviving the next three and a half years.
Thus far in over 200 days Trump has no legislation that he managed to get passed in the Republican controlled congress.

Trump attacks on McConnell bring rebukes from fellow Republicans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... litics_pop

Trump is so dumb not to realize that in order to get anything done he needs McConnell.

"President Trump aimed a fresh barrage of criticism at Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell Thursday, escalating an extraordinary fight with a key Republican leader that could undermine the party’s ability to regroup and pass shared legislative priorities this fall.

In a series of demeaning tweets and public statements, Trump blamed the Kentucky Republican, who remains popular among GOP senators, for the party’s failure to muscle through an overhaul of the Affordable Care Act. The president also urged McConnell to “get back to work” on that and other campaign promises, including cutting taxes and spurring new infrasturcture spending."

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telco, as long as you insist on using biased sources you will convince absolutely no one that your side is correct. When I start seeing you pulling stories from places listed with a left bias like the publications listed at

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

Pull your story from the "least biased" list and there's a chance that people might give your side some credibility.

The same applies to those who keep citing sources on the other side. Those sources use inflammatory words and skew their stories for the purpose of "preaching to the choir". The more biased on both sides go as far as fabricating the story to incite their followers.

Recommending that either side get their news from an unbiased source assumes that people are interested in the truth. Around most political threads that doesn't seem to be the case.

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Ok!

Republican Senator Is on a Mission to Rescue the Health Care Law

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/p ... front&_r=0

"The Republican effort to overturn the law is in shambles and the insurance program itself is in serious trouble, leaving Mr. Alexander to try to pick up the pieces. And he is doing so in a way that is virtually unheard-of in today’s Washington — an overtly and unashamedly bipartisan approach."

“This won’t be easy to do,” acknowledged Mr. Alexander, 77, a Tennessee Republican and longtime public official who is chairman of the Senate health committee, “but we are going to do our best to do it.”

In an interview for The New York Times podcast “The New Washington,” Mr. Alexander added details to his emerging plan to shore up the health law and to his broader views on the underperforming Senate.

Time to Move On’: Senate G.O.P. Flouts Trump After Health Care Defeat

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/us/p ... pe=article

"And Mr. McConnell has made two things clear to the president: He plans to move on from health care repeal for now, declining to mention it from the Senate floor so far this week, and he has no plans to scuttle the legislative filibuster.

“It’s pretty obvious that our problem on health care was not the Democrats,” he told reporters on Tuesday, challenging Mr. Trump’s logic on the prospective rule change. “We didn’t have 50 Republicans.”

Some are beginning to realize the ACA is not going to be repealed or replaced.
It just needs to be fixed so that 30 million people do not lose their healthcare.

Now go watch Fox and believe their BS

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You preach but refuse to read or pay attention, don't you, telco? Your response is to go right back to cutting and pasting from only left-biased news? Without even a discussion?

Anyone can cut and paste any old biased thing they want. It takes an honest man (or woman) to be willing to really search out the truth. It takes an even bigger one to be open minded enough to admit it when they discover they are incorrect about their perception or opinion regarding a particular issue.

What are you?

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He's clueless.

The assumptions he makes are clearly a sign of early-onset dementia. I've never watched Fox News (I don't watch TV, which I think I've repeated ad nauseum). It's the only way he can make sense of an opinion that differs from his own - to attribute it to a faulty source.

I'm so glad Howie has the corner on the truth. The rest of us are just pathetically inept, right?

Hey Howie, if the ACA is so good, why does it need to be "fixed?"

Did your Messiah and Savior Barack not pull forth an absolutely perfect product from the depth of his bowels? Hmmm.

Screw the ACA and anything that purports to replace it. Howie can pay my share, because I don't give a damn. :)

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AZhitman wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:49 pm
He's clueless.

I've never watched Fox News (I don't watch TV,
That explains why you are so ill-informed regarding the ACA.
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I'm so glad Howie has the corner on the truth. The rest of us are just pathetically inept, right?
Yes you are if your main source of information is in The New York Post.
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Hey Howie, if the ACA is so good, why does it need to be "fixed?"
With over 2500 pages in the ACA there are items that need further clarification, among them the price of drugs that needs to be negotiated to reduce the cost. If you would bother to read The New York Times and The Washington Post you would have a better understanding.
Republicans refused to provide any input on the bill, bragged for over seven years on repeal and replace and now with control of The White House, The Senate, and The House they have failed. With over 207 days the Trump presidency has not one single legislative accomplishment.
Trump pissing off McConnell helps insure he will fail at pretty much everything.
No healthcare repeal, no wall, no tax reform, no infrastructure, no ban on transgender in the military, no nothing.
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Did your Messiah and Savior Barack not pull forth an absolutely perfect product from the depth of his bowels? Hmmm.

Screw the ACA and anything that purports to replace it. Howie can pay my share, because I don't give a damn. :)
At 207 days in office Obama had plenty to show.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/trump-a ... gress.html

"Since Ronald Reagan's 1980 election propelled a political realignment, every new president has scored a major early legislative victory except one. That's Trump – despite the advantage of full Republican control of Congress. And that failure has left him sounding increasingly like a political independent.

By this point in 1981, Reagan had won enactment of his signature tax and budget cuts; he signed them into law on August 13. By this point in 1989, President George H.W. Bush had already signed legislation responding to the savings and loan crisis.

In 1993, Bill Clinton had signed his major deficit reduction bill. In 2001, George W. Bush's tax cuts had been law for two months.

In 2009, Barack Obama had long since enacted economic stimulus legislation in response to recession and financial crisis. House Democratic leaders had unveiled their version of the Affordable Care Act on the way to House passage in November and passage of a different version in the Senate the next month.

Trump has not only failed to win repeal of what became Obamacare, but he has made no progress at all on other top legislative objectives. The White House has not even proposed either tax reform details or an infrastructure plan.

No wonder a dyspeptic new president has spent part of his summer vacation stewing, and casting blame on Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell. That won't help reverse his fortunes this fall.

Republicans have already shown diminished patience with Trump's behavior – by turning toward bipartisan health care legislation, for example, despite the president's demand that they try again to repeal Obamacare. They've warned Trump not to fire special counsel Robert Mueller as the former FBI director's investigation into Russia's election interference poses mounting danger to the White House.

On tax cuts, Republicans face the same internal divisions that sunk them on health care. With 2018 midterm elections looming, however, Trump's criticism of McConnell and others won't preclude action."

"On tax cuts, Republicans face the same internal divisions that sunk them on health care. With 2018 midterm elections looming, however, Trump's criticism of McConnell and others won't preclude action.

"The survival instinct on both sides is going to drive them to do something on taxes," says former GOP lawmaker Vin Weber.

But turning on his allies now curbs his ability to shape the direction of an effort that's dauntingly complex under the best of circumstance.

"Trump has now forced many GOP senators to choose: Trump or McConnell," observes Steve Bell, a former top GOP Senate aide now at the Bipartisan Policy Center. "McConnell, if he wishes to challenge Trump on a major measure, will win a majority of the GOP caucus."

The outlook for what Trump calls "a very big infrastructure bill" is darker. Republicans, who don't share Trump's zeal for infrastructure spending, are growing ever-less likely to do him favors. Democrats, who do share that zeal, have no incentive to help a president who is uniformly loathed by their base and has sub-40 percent approval ratings as a result."

"History shows a new president's best opportunity for big victories lies in his opening months, when the flush of electoral victory maximizes White House power. Even Lyndon Johnson, after his landslide 1964 election gave him robust Democratic Congressional majorities, pressed aides to act quickly for fear that their clout would soon dwindle.

"He said you may think you have four years," presidential historian Michael Beschloss recalls, recounting LBJ's message to his staff. "It basically has to be within the first six months."

He was right on both counts.

By the first week of August 1965, Johnson had created Medicare and Medicaid and signed the Voting Rights Act. And then his clout began shrinking amid discord at home and the Vietnam quagmire abroad.

In the 1966 midterm elections, Johnson's party lost 47 seats in the House and four Senate seats. Two years later, the president declined to seek re-election."

Most likely Trump will also!



Trump zero!


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AZhitman wrote:
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I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
Keep obtaining your source of news from The New York Post and you'll continue to have as much credibility as our A$$hole POTUS

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So far, your record is pretty dismal.
Speaking of dismal records
AZhitman wrote:
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I don't see this thing surviving the 2016 election.
This so called administrator has been wrong on pretty much everything he has written for over ten years and is another climate change denier.

Getting back to republican scumbags here is another one.

Limbaugh to evacuate after calling Irma climate change ploy

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/limbau ... li=BBnb7Kz

And from your beloved Washington Post :poke:

Rush Limbaugh indicates he’s evacuating Palm Beach days after suggesting Hurricane Irma is fake news

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 301436c847

There are many like greg that believe hs crap.

"“These storms, once they actually hit, are never as strong as they're reported,” Limbaugh claimed on his syndicated radio show. He added that “the graphics have been created to make it look like the ocean's having an exorcism, just getting rid of the devil here in the form of this hurricane, this bright red stuff.”

Go continue to read your right wingnut rags


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