5-0 Gettin ya down?

[audtatious]

The FOP does not dare call here cuz they may get my wife on the line. Her X is an Asst Chief of Police for a town north of here and she absolutely hates anything to do with FOP and what they do with the money

[generic808]

I AINT THE ONE for a broke *** pig with a badge and a gun to be beatin on, and thrown in jail, we can go toe to toe in the middle of a cell.. f-in with me cause im a teen-Agah.. wit a little bit of gold n a paga!Searchin my car.. lookin for the product... thinkin every ***** is sellin narcota!

F THE POLICE.... to some degree... I have no respect for the cops doing road patrol unless they are doing felony stops...

1unar... living in So-Cal, i gotta believe thats somewhat commonplace... and now that stuff going around about illegal immigrants getting drivers licenses n stuff...

Nice quote from the old school, NWA. I used to like that song, but being on the "other" side, I can understand why YOU would get harrassed. It's that very attitude that gets you cited in the first place. No one knows what it's like to be on the other side, but they're quick to jump to conclusions. Imagine suiting up every day, not knowing what's going to happen. Dealing with a guy with your type of attitude is the last thing that any LEO would want to deal with, and I'm speaking from first hand experience.

What everyone needs to realize is that we have to be on guard at ALL times, no matter what. Our lives, and the lives of others depend on how we react to any given situation. If you ever noticed while approaching an LEO, even for a friendly chat or directions, we always have our right arm covering the holster? It's because we have to be alert at all times just in case someone tries to disarm us. Some of the nicest looking/speaking people could be the worst offenders. Again, I've experienced this first hand. A crazy came up to me once and started asking for directions. When I lifted my arm to point in a direction, he tried to grab my service pistol from my belt, of course to no avail. I quickly had him on the ground, screaming that it was police brutality

Law enforcement officers are here to do one thing, and that's to enforce the law. Imagine if there was no law and order in the world; it there definitely would be chaos everywhere. When something bad happens, whether it be a robbery, accident, or whatever, who's the first person you call? It's not our job to harrass folks, that's not what we signed up for. It's to help those who need help and to enforce the law.

[adidas2go]

Law enforcement officers are here to do one thing, and that's to enforce the law. Imagine if there was no law and order in the world; it there definitely would be chaos everywhere.

Very true, i agree with most law enforcement however i dont agree with alot of petty vehicular laws.

[generic808]

Very true, i agree with most law enforcement however i dont agree with alot of petty vehicular laws.

I agree with you to a cetain extent, but imagine if there were no traffic laws. No stop signs, speed limits, etc., the roads would be a mess. Imagine if you're driving 60 on the freeway about to change lanes and a guy flies by doing 100+ while you're in the process of changing lanes. It would be a disaster!

As far as RECON laws go, I do not agree with a lot of them. But hey, it's there so we all have to abide by them. A law is a law and people can't get mad at an LEO for doing his job. Just like if you were a cashier in a store and rang up someone at the sale price, but they wanted it cheaper. You can't just do it because you want to. You're just doing your job so how/why would the customer get mad at the cashier? It doesn't make sense to get mad at someone doing their job, and in this case, upholding the law.

[edonissan13]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ArCveCHexqg

theres some good advice

I have lived in the city of orange all my life and i have not yet been pulled over. * knock on wood *I have though been questioned before walking down the neighborhood.I am the only mexican on the block THey ask stupid questions like"where are you going"

a funny one was when it was summer and i was walking to my friends house back when i didnt have a car "arent you supposed to be in school"im like uhh i go to vp ( high school down the block) and if u didnt know officer we are on vacation. haha he left he didnt even say another word

Theres a lot of nice cars in this area, most of them being mercedes , beemerz , lambos with tint all around all nice and everything and i honestly dont see many people get pulled over by cops here. Most of the cops respond to emergency calls and traffic accidents.

I like good cops, i dont like bad cops.

[1unar3clipse]

What everyone needs to realize is that we have to be on guard at ALL times, no matter what. Our lives, and the lives of others depend on how we react to any given situation. If you ever noticed while approaching an LEO, even for a friendly chat or directions, we always have our right arm covering the holster? It's because we have to be alert at all times just in case someone tries to disarm us. Some of the nicest looking/speaking people could be the worst offenders. Again, I've experienced this first hand. A crazy came up to me once and started asking for directions. When I lifted my arm to point in a direction, he tried to grab my service pistol from my belt, of course to no avail. I quickly had him on the ground, screaming that it was police brutality

Moar stories!

come on, maybe a funny one?

[generic808]

Moar stories!

come on, maybe a funny one?

One time I pulled over a car for not yielding to oncoming traffic and almost hitting a car. When I was running her plate, I saw her fidgeting around in her seat. I was very hesitant when I approaced her vehicle, and when I did, she had a button up shirt, NOT buttoned. Nips showing and all! I looked over on her passenger seat and saw her bra. Then I realized that she was taking it off after I pulled her over. I was so shocked that I didn't know what to do. I asked her to cover up and she asked me "why, do you REALLY want me to?" Needless to say, I let her off with a warning

[1unar3clipse]

LOL

now be honest...

how many times have women done this in an attempt to get off the hook?

[zerodeefex]

First week I had my hybrid:

Driving around on a clear night around midnight, under the speed limit, minding my business. I come to a light, it turns yellow as I approach, in my old old maxima I wouldn't have been able to stop, but I knew the hybrid had much better brakes so I look in my rearview mirror, then hit the brakes and had a tiny squeal and come to a stop.

Two blocks later, BAM, 2 cop cars pull me over. I give them temp registration and my info. I was super polite and honest, didn't admit to doing anything wrong and told them the truth. They give me a "speed unsafe for conditions ticket"

Thankfully they put a bunch of wrong info:

1) Wrong year (2008 instead of 2007 Altima)2) Wrong owner of the car (They put down my dad's name instead of mine when mine is on the registration and title)

[tertius]

Feel good you are so right man. That was priceless and profound on his part I'm gonna share that with a lot of my friends. Love seeing some fellow educated negros :P. "Im not internally racist , i love my black *** so I'm thinkin of ways to save it." Yea I really should donate and stuff prob gonna email LongBeachCoupe ahahaha.Also cuffuup28 nice plate man.

[generic808]

A good majority of policing is discretionary. On many instances, I would pull someone over for a minor traffic infraction, with the intention of just giving them a warning, only to cite them for everything I could find wrong with their vehicle. Why? Attitude. I'd say at least for me, 25-35% of the citations I've given out could've been avoided with the right attitude. I'd pull someone over to let them know that they ran a stop sign and they would give attitude right from the minute I step up. "What the f**K did I do now?" or "what the h3ll are you pulling me over for?" are two of the more common remarks which will definitely get you cited.

Just be polite, courteous, and don't cause any hassles and you have a better chance of getting away with a warning. Unless of course you blatantly broke a traffic law with no remorse whatsoever. Honestly, I let a majority of the people go for minor infractions if they had a good attitude, and I'm sure many other LEO's feel the same way.

[zerodeefex]

First week I had my hybrid:

Driving around on a clear night around midnight, under the speed limit, minding my business. I come to a light, it turns yellow as I approach, in my old old maxima I wouldn't have been able to stop, but I knew the hybrid had much better brakes so I look in my rearview mirror, then hit the brakes and had a tiny squeal and come to a stop.

Two blocks later, BAM, 2 cop cars pull me over. I give them temp registration and my info. I was super polite and honest, didn't admit to doing anything wrong and told them the truth. They give me a "speed unsafe for conditions ticket"

Thankfully they put a bunch of wrong info:

1) Wrong year (2008 instead of 2007 Altima)2) Wrong owner of the car (They put down my dad's name instead of mine when mine is on the registration and title)

Almost forgot to mention. They spent 30 mins trying to get me to say I stole the car. EVEN THOUGH THE NAME ON THE REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE WAS MINE! They made me feel like a criminal when I hadn't done anything wrong. It was one of the worst feelings I've had. They flat out told me that the car wasn't mine and asked me "how did you get ahold of this?" It was really degrading.

Just be polite, courteous, and don't cause any hassles and you have a better chance of getting away with a warning. Unless of course you blatantly broke a traffic law with no remorse whatsoever. Honestly, I let a majority of the people go for minor infractions if they had a good attitude, and I'm sure many other LEO's feel the same way.

Yeah, I was super polite to the lady, got everything out, was honest, open faced, and generally put forth my best. This is the face/demeanor that causes the customs folks to let me take Cuban rum in from Mexico, and gets me tons of older folks mentioning how polite I am for a 20-something year old. I think I caught them at a bad time because she totally made me feel like crap.
Modified by zerodeefex at 7:27 PM 1/29/2008

[2brian0]

These conversations always crack me up. I couldn't agree with you more generic. I was going to say so many things but I think you covered it all. Definitely don't judge a man until you walk in his shoes. Oh and 1unar3clipse, hypothetically the next time someone comes to your work and starts shooting up the place, call the fire department and see what they do for you with your big donation. (sarcasm)However, I do agree with a lot of you that the FOP sucks! If you want to make a donation that carries some weight, donate to your local 100 Club. They are the best kind of organization, they do tremendous work for the families of fallen officers and fly so low under the radar that a lot of people don't even know they exist.I'll get off my soap box (too late) but I think everyone should at least once in their life go to a fallen officers funeral (especially for all you haters). Just like the men and women in our military, maybe then people will realize the sacrifices some people are willing to make to protect the lives of others. It takes a special person to be willing to run towards the sound of gun fire while everyone else is running the other direction. BTW, nobody signs up to be a cop to write traffic tickets. It's a necessary evil of the job...

[rjdmmfl1]

These conversations always crack me up. I couldn't agree with you more generic. I was going to say so many things but I think you covered it all. Definitely don't judge a man until you walk in his shoes. Oh and 1unar3clipse, hypothetically the next time someone comes to your work and starts shooting up the place, call the fire department and see what they do for you with your big donation. (sarcasm)However, I do agree with a lot of you that the FOP sucks! If you want to make a donation that carries some weight, donate to your local 100 Club. They are the best kind of organization, they do tremendous work for the families of fallen officers and fly so low under the radar that a lot of people don't even know they exist.I'll get off my soap box (too late) but I think everyone should at least once in their life go to a fallen officers funeral (especially for all you haters). Just like the men and women in our military, maybe then people will realize the sacrifices some people are willing to make to protect the lives of others. It takes a special person to be willing to run towards the sound of gun fire while everyone else is running the other direction. BTW, nobody signs up to be a cop to write traffic tickets. It's a necessary evil of the job...

Brian, I think you and eric were missing the point of a few of us were trying to make. Again, I grew up the son of police officer, but that didn't stop me from seeing what abusive A**HOLES alot of them can be. As I mentioned in my first post, "many but by no means all cops are racist." That's a given. If a person was an ignorant racist biggot before they became a cop, they aren't gonna stop being that person just because they get a badge, in fact, it usually makes it worse.

In regards to making traffic stops, I understand what you're saying Eric, a good attitude can go a long way. But many officers act like they want you to kiss their a**. That may be easy for some but for many, including myself, it just isn't gonna happen.

And Brian, if indeed "these conversations always crack you up", then perhaps you fall into the category of profiling LEO's that we and the song are talking about.

The lyrics on the song are dedicated to crooked cops, especially NARCOS. NARCOS can be some of the most corrupt individuals on the face of this planet, again, not all, but definately more than just a handful. And I for one, as much I respect all people... HATE RACIST COPS WITH A PASSION!!!!

[Mr. Music]

What bothers me most about the police around here are that they usually break more traffic laws than other drivers. For instance, I never knew that police cars didn't have turn signals, nor did I know that speed limits and stop signs (and the likes) do not apply to police. Although, I do agree with generic808 and 2brian0, I can't imagine what a cop goes through every day on the job, and that they did not sign up to write tickets. I wouldn't want to be a cop...

[Dexion]

What bothers me most about the police around here are that they usually break more traffic laws than other drivers. For instance, I never knew that police cars didn't have turn signals, nor did I know that speed limits and stop signs (and the likes) do not apply to police. Although, I do agree with generic808 and 2brian0, I can't imagine what a cop goes through every day on the job, and that they did not sign up to write tickets. I wouldn't want to be a cop...

Most cops go a little faster than the limit, and most will go the limit (just to see everyone slow down I guess) overhere in rockland county. Speed limit says 55 but I've blown past state troopers going 70 and they didn't blink an eye.

I've only gotten pulled over about 4 times while I've been driving in total.

1st time I was being paced going about 90 something, cop wrote 100 in a 65. Hired a lawyer and got it dismissed. Cop was pretty cool but told me "I'd kill someone, yea yeah." No Xtra hate because of my skin color.

2nd time was 81 in a 55 (cop stopped me in a 65 but wrote 55 wtf?!) He knocked it down to a seatbelt violation (thanks to my fatass friend) Cop was cool tho...

3rd time it was in NYC 2 cops was in a cab following me on the west side highway. I havent driven into the city in a long time before this so the cab turning on overhead lights surprised the hell out of me! He said I was going 70 and swerving lanes (lie I had 4 people with me and my friend definitely woulda said something if I was swerving she hates that.)

I was honest about the shot of goose I had before I started driving. Made me take a breathalyzer twice, guess it was so low the 1st time he couldn't believe it? haha... Anyways he let me go and I was off clubbin! all the times I've been confronted by LEO despite my skin color they've all treated me with respect so NY cops aren't as bad as you guys might have heard.This time I had a shot of goose before I started driving so I was .....Oh yeah forgot about the time I was still driving with my temp plates and I had to speed past another 4th gen hybrid (for some reason I'm obsessed with passing 2.5 models even tho i owned one lol) Cop saw me speed up a little so he followed me but I saw him come out so I slowed down to traffic almost immediately. Still he pulled me over but only said something about my plates since my temp reg was waaaay expired. Told me to slow down and let the chicks see my ride instead of going too fast.

Everywhere is different but for me DWB hasn't been a hassle.

[2brian0]

Brian, I think you and eric were missing the point of a few of us were trying to make. Again, I grew up the son of police officer, but that didn't stop me from seeing what abusive A**HOLES alot of them can be. As I mentioned in my first post, "many but by no means all cops are racist." That's a given. If a person was an ignorant racist biggot before they became a cop, they aren't gonna stop being that person just because they get a badge, in fact, it usually makes it worse.

First, I don't think we were missing the point at all. It's a given that there are bad cops out there. That's the same with every profession, no system is perfect. However, they are the exception not the rule. Second, being the son or relative of a cop qualifies you or anyone else for nothing. Some of the worst people in society have been relatives or the kids of cops. Still doesn't mean you have walked in their shoes or know anything they have gone through. Third, ignorant racist biggot cops come in every race, gender, and social background.

And Brian, if indeed "these conversations always crack you up", then perhaps you fall into the category of profiling LEO's that we and the song are talking about.

So, let me get this straight. I make a vague comment about how this topic cracks me up and you assume I'm a profiling LEO? Isn't that statement a little hypocritical? At what point in my comment did I say I was even a LEO? Also, because I have a pro law enforcement attitude, you assume I'm a supporter of profiling? My comment was aimed at the irony of this conversation as those who routinely bash law enforcement are the first ones to pick up the phone and call them when something goes wrong. Also in my post, I made no specific attacks on anyone. I merely made general statements about my point of view. If you want to make generalizations/assumptions about people and make personal attacks, then maybe you are more like the people you claim to hate then you realize.

Society's overall general disrespect for law enforcement feeds law enforcements overall suspicion and questioning nature of general society which in turn only supports society's original belief. It's a vicious cycle that will probably never be broken. However, I make no apologies for not contributing to the cycle.

[rjdmmfl1]

Second, being the son or relative of a cop qualifies you or anyone else for nothing. Some of the worst people in society have been relatives or the kids of cops.

Look at the content in which I made that statement. It had nothing to do with being qualified or a good or bad person. I didn't make that to state that I knew what police officers went through, I made that point to state that I have been around tons of cops, probably more than you, and I have seen how many of them are racist biggots, and its not just a few!

My comment was aimed at the irony of this conversation as those who routinely bash law enforcement are the first ones to pick up the phone and call them when something goes wrong.

What does that prove. I think everyone calls the cops when something goes wrong, whether they are the ones that bash police or not

Also in my post, I made no specific attacks on anyone. I merely made general statements about my point of view. If you want to make generalizations/assumptions about people and make personal attacks, then maybe you are more like the people you claim to hate then you realize.

I think I misunderstood your statement, sorry.

It's a vicious cycle that will probably never be broken.

Well there's at least one thing we both agree on. You're right, it is a viscous cycle... even in the youtube clip that I posted, the gentleman ends the spoken word with the statement

"... and the hatred spreads, our blind hate for them, and that's why F*CK THE POLICE be our favorite hymn, it's a viscous cylce, but it aint gonna end, 'cuz as long as they keep profiling us, we just gone do the same to them"

I wasn't attacking you for being pro law enforcement, I took your opening statement as a defense for profiling, and it appears I was mistaken and for that I apoligize.

I don't think blind hatred for police is OK, but I do understand why many people do not trust the police. Maybe if I painted you in blackface and took you to the hood, and let you see first hand how a lot of innocent black people are treated by the police on a daily basis, you would better understand. They profile, they harass, the abuse and they do this on a DAILY basis, not just every now and then.

Let's say there's a WAR on drugs, well if there's a war, there has to be an enemy right? What we are saying is that too often friendlys are getting attacked, in addition to the combatants... if you wanna put it that way.

I have a lot of appreciation for what it takes to be a policeman, but with the power that comes with law enforcement, we are stating that MANY police abuse this power EVERYDAY. Eric sounds like he was one of the good ones. no you aren't there to be anyone's friend, you are there to enforce the law, whether it be writing tickets for speeding, dark tint, neon lights, whatever. But a lot of police go way beyond that everyday. THat's where the idea of F*CK THE POLICE comes from. The media blew up the situations of Amado Diallo and Sean Bell, but stuff a bit less dramatic happens everyday, so you can't blame folks lwhen they say stuff against police. You and I live in two different worlds Brian, its just the way it is!

[Mr_Coupe]

wow in NYC police is not allowed 2 search your car unless u give them permission or they have suspision or beyond a reasonable doubt i never let them search me you can actually say NO you can not search my car my law professor taught me that she said thats why everyday people are getting caught wit things in their car that they are not suppose 2 have but they dont know that they are entitled 2 say no

[2brian0]

Well, this thread could go back and forth for ever, so I'm not going to try to argue my side despite the urge to. However, I would like to point one last thing out....

You and I live in two different worlds Brian, its just the way it is!

For someone who is so passionate about profiling and racism, why do you continue to perpetuate the thing you claim to hate so much? You know nothing about me i.e. my race or social upbringing and yet you assume we come from two different worlds. I will make the assumption that you think because I have a pro law enforcement attitude, I'm white....

Ok, I'm done.....

[LongBeachCoupe]

Hey man... you should know best... you get pulled over in the bronx and the guy wants to search your car.. he will find a reason...

Also guys, i know the FOP is somewhat of a drinking club, but what better a donation than to the cops "fun" fund.....

Also, i understand the life of a cop on the beat.. but you have to take it from all angles... go to a fallen officers funeral? what about the black kid that got shot and killed in the street in NY because cops said "he had a gun" and none was found...(he didnt have a record) do you think LEO's are going to show up to the funeral? Furthermore, how many white officers?

I am all for a policed society, but like doctors abusing pills and stockbrokers making inside trades... if the opportunity exists, there will always be people who take it.

I am really glad i started this thread because its interesting to see different people's perspectives...

What i was trying to get across in my initial FOP push was that the chatchkies, combined with a nice attitude, can move mountains... Sometimes the sweet talk isnt enough...

[quick_shift]

I usually get pulled over once every 2 years, actually it is usually always within a couple weeks of the 2 year mark. The last time was a year ago (so I should be ok for another year, knock on wood) for not coming to a full stop at a stop sign, I still say I stopped Of course I fought it but at the time I was living in a college town and when I went in front of the magistrate his reply after I stated my case was something to the effect of "So what your saying is that the officer just doesn't know what he is doing..." and at that point I knew it was over. I have no problem that he pulled me over, I didn't stop and spell out S-T-O-P or count, but I did stop. Anyways did you know that not stopping at a stop sign is 3-pts on your license, at least in PA. I was more then willing to pay the fine I just didn't want the points, but I ended up getting both, life goes on. The other 2 more recent stops were for speeding, one I was given a written warning, the other I was given a ticket. I fought that one and got it knocked down to 5 over the limit witch was no points and just a fine.

[1unar3clipse]

Oh and 1unar3clipse, hypothetically the next time someone comes to your work and starts shooting up the place, call the fire department and see what they do for you with your big donation. (sarcasm)

Someone did...http://www.vcsd.org/press_page...e.pdf

I was working at the wal-mart in Simi Valley, CA when an armed suspect ran in and shot a few rounds made his way to the bullets and finally he killed himself in the Tire Lube Express stock room, Walmart cared so much we all still had work and opened at 7 the next day.

The police swarmed the place pretty much for the whole day not letting anyone go home until everyones information was down, tons of cops sitting behind a "perimeter" outside the walmart.

The Swat eventually shows up and by the time these guys actually get in there the suspect has been dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound for hours. all the while the police who protect the RR Library failed to do anything but look militarized while innocent people still died.

Let me also mention the Fire Dept. and Home depot worked together to bring food for all the employees and the police....
Modified by 1unar3clipse at 9:13 AM 1/30/2008

[rjdmmfl1]

wow in NYC police is not allowed 2 search your car unless u give them permission or they have suspision or beyond a reasonable doubt i never let them search me you can actually say NO you can not search my car my law professor taught me that she said thats why everyday people are getting caught wit things in their car that they are not suppose 2 have but they dont know that they are entitled 2 say no

maybe Eric can correct me, but it was my belief that a cop can search your car if there is probable cause, whether you say no or not. If it goes to court, its up to the judge to state if there was suficient probable cause to search the vehicle in the first place, and if there wasn't, the case could get thrown out.

In regards to 2Brian0, I don't car what color you are, you could be a black republican, and we would still live in two different worlds. The fact that you can't empathize (not sympathize) with individuals that have a "F the police" mentality lets me know we live in two different worlds.

[LongBeachCoupe]

You are right Doc... they need probable cause... and once they do the search and find something... and you try and get the search dismissed, the judge will find out what they found in the car... and most likley will say its kosher...

Probable Cause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause"Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or is supported by other evidence."

meaning... someone reported a black car stolen, and you have sweaty hands... get out of the car.

heres the cases that set the prescedent and trust me, a car search is not like a home search and the criteria is different.... they dont enter houses on P.C. like they do cars...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_v ... ry_v._Ohio

Id say Generic could provide more insight, but hes a cop, not a lawyer/judge... he will tell it from his side.... and will show you P.C is somewhat of a loophole..

[kanejuice]

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Just be polite, courteous, and don't cause any hassles and you have a better chance of getting away with a warning. Unless of course you blatantly broke a traffic law with no remorse whatsoever. Honestly, I let a majority of the people go for minor infractions if they had a good attitude, and I'm sure many other LEO's feel the same way.

I totally agree with you.. ive been pulled over in nj where i use to live currently moved to ga last year and pulled over and gotten out of every ticket by just being polite and admitting what i did wrong.. the officers usually give me a written warning or just says something to me and would say atleast ur honest... one time my boy in nj pulled up his e brake driftin into the taco bell.. the cop was across the street... he of course lied and said he did not such thing.. the result was a ticket for having to many passengers in his car... being a provisional license holder and we were out at 2 am.. a muffler ticket.. reckless driving.. improper turning or somthing.. and careless driving.. o yea and the tints... and all the cop said was at the end.. you shouldn't have lied if u told us the truth we would have let u go.. which i told my boy.. he of coarse was being a d!ck to the cop.. he learned his lesson

[2brian0]

In regards to 2Brian0, I don't car what color you are, you could be a black republican, and we would still live in two different worlds. The fact that you can't empathize (not sympathize) with individuals that have a "F the police" mentality lets me know we live in two different worlds.

So now I'm a republican. I could be a black liberal male from Compton and you would still find something to argue about because I refuse to jump on your bandwagon. You couldn't be any more wrong about me. The funny thing is, this thread was never about you or me, it was about a topic. However, you decided to and continue to make it personal. So now, I'm am definitely done with this.

You were right about one thing though, we do come from different worlds. I didn't grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth as the police chief's spoiled son. You're a joke!

[rjdmmfl1]

So now I'm a republican. I could be a black liberal male from Compton and you would still find something to argue about because I refuse to jump on your bandwagon. You couldn't be any more wrong about me. The funny thing is, this thread was never about you or me, it was about a topic. However, you decided to and continue to make it personal. So now, I'm am definitely done with this.

You were right about one thing though, we do come from different worlds. I didn't grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth as the police chief's spoiled son. You're a joke!

Dude, I think you've got my tone and comments confused. when I said you could be a black republican, I meant that it doesn't matter what your color is, the fact that you don't empathize with individuals that don't trust cops tells me we live in two different worlds. You don't have to jump on a bandwagon or even agree with a point of view to empathize... notice I said empathize not sympathize, there is a difference!

Regarding me, I make no apologies for my background or how I was raised. And I only mentioned them in the context of my dealings with ALL KINDS OF COPS, good and bad. In regards to police stops, which is what this thread is about, my goal was to point out that blacks and minorities in general sometimes have VERY different experiences with police, regardless of whether they are law abiding, honest citizens or not. Only after having a number of those experiences does one have a justification in feeling a certain way about cops in general! It isn't right to make that generalization, but from their experience, they do it unconciously! If I interact with 10 cops in a row, and all 10 are racist a**holes, of course I'm gonna assume that the 11th cop I meet is a racist a**hole. Likewise, if all of your dealings with cops are positive, then you will assume that the 11th cop will be cool also, and could not understand why I would hate cops!

I'm not attacking you Brian, the first post in which i did, I apologized in a later post because I originally misunderstood your comment, and took it out of context.

I'm not trying to get you to jump on any anti-police bandwagon, but in regards to you and Eric's comments about guys that HATE police, i was simply trying to point out to you and give you a glimpse into why some folks absolutely HATE cops, and many of them are justified in their distrust of police. If that is something you can't at least empathize with, then yes my good sir, we live in two different worlds with two different points of view. Its not that either of us are right or wrong, we are simply a reflection of our experiences!

empathize: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner

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Haha, LBC, come ON... I know you didn't just use Wikipedia as a reference. I just updated the text you quoted, might want to check my modifications and update. J/K but I always have to laugh a little when people use Wikipedia as a reference.

While I'm posting might as well share my LEO stories:I've been driving for 8 years now, been pulled over three times.

One time (in MA) it was because I was tagged going 85 and then 75 by the SAME cop, same night. He let me off with a warning and I swear it was because I was polite and had an old (but cared for) '92 legacy .

Another time I was pulled over in VT '89 Volvo sedan, plates were registered to another car, VT plates/CT license, no insurance for that car (told him I had a binder which was a bit of a stretch but I don't think he understood what that meant), no front plate, and I was a little over the speed limit. The officer pointed all of this out to me while I explained I had just purchased the car etc etc. He let me off, no warning or anything, told me to get home, park the car and get everything straight. Granted this was in VT but it was in Burlington so the 20 thousand extra college kids tend to make the LEO's a little more edgy toward anyone college-aged.

Finally (this is in CT), I had my Altima for about 2 weeks, just had my 20% tint done and was driving home at 12am. I was clocked at 82 in a 65, bam, ticket. Totally profiled because I was driving a nice car. **side note, you can NOT get rid of points for speeding in CT unless you prove you were not speeding, wasted 3 hours in court to find that out** He did note the tint was illegal, but I played it off. He let me go for that stating you'll want to get that taken care-of LEO's in your town have nothing to do...

I ALWAYS go at least 80 home, and I know LEO's have hit me in my other cars multiple times...

That's one of the main reasons I'm not going to noticeably mod from stock, no need to draw excess attention.

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Finally (this is in CT), I had my Altima for about 2 weeks, just had my 20% tint done and was driving home at 12am. I was clocked at 82 in a 65, bam, ticket. Totally profiled because I was driving a nice car. **side note, you can NOT get rid of points for speeding in CT unless you prove you were not speeding, wasted 3 hours in court to find that out** He did note the tint was illegal, but I played it off. He let me go for that stating you'll want to get that taken care-of LEO's in your town have nothing to do...

I ALWAYS go at least 80 home, and I know LEO's have hit me in my other cars multiple times...

That's one of the main reasons I'm not going to noticeably mod from stock, no need to draw excess attention.

Wow, I didn't think this thread would turn out this way. I just added my .02 cents because believe it or not, I think LEO's take more verbal harrassment than any other profession out there. I just wanted to let you guys know how it feels to be on the "other side" of the law. And I just wanted to give everyone a few tips on how to better your chances of NOT getting a ticket.

stsxcrle, 82 in a 65 will definitely get you a ticket anywhere in the country, except for maybe LA Most LEO's set there limit at 10 over, which is what I did. But I know a lot of them who set at 7 over, which I think is a bit low.

Again, I don't agree with how many LEO's approach certain situations, especially when it comes to car modifications. I, myself, am a car enthusiast. I've been slamming my Nissan's for quite some time; even racing them at the track, not the highways though. That's why when I pulled over "modified" cars, I usually let them slide even though they didn't have any RECON permits for their cars because I was once one of them. So, I guess it's safe to say that I know how it feels to be on both sides. It's unfortunate though that a few bad LEO's and a few bad drivers give everyone a bad rap.

"Can't we all just get along?"