240 or WRX

[nnkfws333]

I agree with Cold_Zero. Thats why Im getting a 04 WRX. but of course gonna miss the 240.

[nlzmo400r]

i too agree with cold-zero, the price range is the biggest factor to me, as winters dont get below about 40 or so, and i dont NEED 4wd, the only thing i have question about is 40hp from removal of the cats, id give ya maybe 10 or so, but 40 is a bit out there

[Cold_Zero]

I agree with Cold_Zero. Thats why Im getting a 04 WRX. but of course gonna miss the 240.

I already miss my 240 it is a great car.

Nizmo,The thing you have to remember is the fact that the WRX has 3 catalytic converts. It has a very restrictive exhaust and does not work like a naturally aspirated exhaust.

[nismodave]

Bahhh....wrx is a nice car.....but

But it is becoming sooo common, and a turbo 240 can spank a wrx for much less $$$

Sorry to lose some good 240 guys.....ohh well your nickel;)

[nlzmo400r]

I already miss my 240 it is a great car.

Nizmo,The thing you have to remember is the fact that the WRX has 3 catalytic converts. It has a very restrictive exhaust and does not work like a naturally aspirated exhaust.

oo, i was unaware of 3 catalytic converters, but thats still one hell of a claim either way, but thanx for the info, what do u miss most about ut 240??

[Cold_Zero]

Bahhh....wrx is a nice car.....but

But it is becoming sooo common,

Subaru has been keeping the production numbers pretty low on the WRX. The reason why you dont see a ton of 240's is the fact that they have had 6-14 years to wreck, breakdown and get retired by people that dont understand you dont retire a car that early!

Quote »and a turbo 240 can spank a wrx for much less $$$Sorry to lose some good 240 guys.....ohh well your nickel;) [/quote]

For the price of the beloved SR engine or a KA turbo kit, I can spend the same money on engine upgrades and be happy with the results. Granted my initial investment in buying the car is higher, I don’t mind the cost. If making a screaming tuner car on minimal cash is what you want, the WRX is probably not a good option. One thing that makes the 240 a great car to tune. I am waiting for my warranty to run out so I can place an order to Vishnu Tuning. They claim a kit that will enable the WRX to do 11.8-12.0 in the 1/4mi. :icon18

[nismodave]

Meet me in Joliet when your warranty runs out....hehheh...

Id like to race one thats properly tunned....the ones up here with upgrades cant get tunned right.

[JustinStrife]

Seems like Subaru really opened up the gates of hell when they released the WRX. I'm seeing 240sx owners start to jump ship as well as RX-7 and AE86 owners doing the move.

Only bright-side to all this, is leaves more of the ole' classics for the rest of us to pick up...

[Cold_Zero]

Meet me in Joliet when your warranty runs out....hehheh...

Id like to race one thats properly tunned....the ones up here with upgrades cant get tunned right.

You will be waiting a long time. I just bought the car Thanks for the offer, I always love to make it up the Milwaukee to watch a brewers game. Does Milwaukee have any race tracks?

BTW are you coming to the Indy NICO meet this summer? I would love to see that beast of a 240 you have.

[nlzmo400r]

what kind of tuning are u plan on making them do Bud??, and how much, cuz thats one hell of a car, with those 1/4 numbers, im sure ur looking at an easy 400hp (ball park)

[lessthanjakejohn]

if you get the rex, dont push 18PSI on stock eveything!

see here: http://www.i-club.com/forums/s...ber=1

read it all =D

hahahahaha, he deserves that since he knows nothing about his car. At 18 PSI on the stock turbo you would be way past the efficeincy range of the turbo and would be pushing about really hot air that would lead to detonation.

[bp2ooo]

that is really funny, i have a friend with a 02 wrx. he is running 16 psi, with an upraded top mount, dp, up pipe, intake, greddy profec b, exhuast, and a few other mods. he recently got the trubo xs stand alone that does data logging on his laptop. even at 16 psi, on high way runs the injectors would hit 600% efficency. when he saw this he almost **** his pants, and turned the boost back down to 14 psi. even at low speeds the injector's were close to to 100%. now he got sti injectors, and he is usually around 80 percent at full throttle at 16psi. so words of advice to wrx owners get upgraded injectors, or maybe one of his was screwed up.....

[nismodave]

You will be waiting a long time. I just bought the car Thanks for the offer, I always love to make it up the Milwaukee to watch a brewers game. Does Milwaukee have any race tracks?

BTW are you coming to the Indy NICO meet this summer? I would love to see that beast of a 240 you have.

You dont want to see the Brewers ....they suck......but the ballpark, that I helped build is cool.....

We have a broke down dragstrip south of us.....a mile oval the should of been repaved 20 yrs ago (like 4 races a year):rolleyes ...AND the finest road course in North America ROAD AMERICA, 1hr north of us.

When is the meet?

[nlzmo400r]

that is really funny, i have a friend with a 02 wrx. he is running 16 psi, with an upraded top mount, dp, up pipe, intake, greddy profec b, exhuast, and a few other mods. he recently got the trubo xs stand alone that does data logging on his laptop. even at 16 psi, on high way runs the injectors would hit 600% efficency. when he saw this he almost **** his pants, and turned the boost back down to 14 psi. even at low speeds the injector's were close to to 100%. now he got sti injectors, and he is usually around 80 percent at full throttle at 16psi. so words of advice to wrx owners get upgraded injectors, or maybe one of his was screwed up.....

thanx for the info man, do u know what kinda hp and tq numbers he's puttin down, or has he not dyno'd it, maybe a 1/4 or 1/8 e.t or something??, thanx againedit: what are the cc numbers on stock opposed to STi injectors if u know??

[Cold_Zero]

When is the meet?

I think they are shooting for the last weekend of June. The trip from Milwaukee to Indy is a pretty good one.

[Cold_Zero]

what are the cc numbers on stock opposed to STi injectors if u know??

Stock 380-440cc'sSTi 550/565cc's

[bp2ooo]

He hasn't dynoed it yet, becuase the closest 4 wheel driver dyno is like 6 hours away, but he ran a 13.6 @102 last year at route 66 without the upgraded top mount, and stand alone.... He hasn't run his car yet, hes hoping to get tein suspension, and new turbo next, then it will probably be dynoed. Right now with the top mount, new injectors, and stand alone, we think he is low 13's, but not sure.

[nlzmo400r]

Stock 380-440cc'sSTi 550/565cc's

geez, thats defintely bigger than i expected, if the stock wrx's are 400cc, then what about spec v?

[nlzmo400r]

He hasn't dynoed it yet, becuase the closest 4 wheel driver dyno is like 6 hours away, but he ran a 13.6 @102 last year at route 66 without the upgraded top mount, and stand alone.... He hasn't run his car yet, hes hoping to get tein suspension, and new turbo next, then it will probably be dynoed. Right now with the top mount, new injectors, and stand alone, we think he is low 13's, but not sure.

yea, 4 wheel dynos are a ***** to find, but those are pretty empresive numbers there

[bp2ooo]

he was really impressed with the numbers. He has some New R compound tires now two, i think there made my kumho. They cost him alot of money, but hook up so nice. his car is crazy to watch launch.

[strokefactor]

I saw this thread and couldn't resist. I'm off one of the impreza forums. I luuuuuuv AWD and wouldn't trade it for the world. but you need to realize, you're talking Xpensive! A subaru is as pricey as a bimmer when it comes to tuning. trust me. I'm actually selling my RS as soon as I get into a 91+ S13. Just too expensive for me.

[JustinStrife]

Glad to have you aboard! Yeah I figure if I had the same amount in my nissan project as my friends are going to have in their Subarus', I'm going to have a God of a car!

Anyway, welcome and I hope you find this forum as informative as I have and everyone as friendly and honest.

Welcome

[nlzmo400r]

really?, i never heard of them as bieng THAT expensive, is it cuz of the 4wd itself, or maybe the design of the engien (since its a boxer?), what makes it so expensive?, and welcome dude, hope u like the forums, need any help, just use the search button first, and if u cant find what ur looking for, just make a thread!, nice to have u

[JustinStrife]

well considering a 2002 WRX goes for 21k not including tax, license and all that good stuff, lets say you get an S14 for 6 grand. You got 15 grand to spend on an RB25DET, TEIN suspension, tires, wheels, and whatever else u need with the interior and exterior

Me thinks u'd have about 400hp and one SWEET ride of the same as a 2002 WRX. and a 2003 WRX is 26grand. STI around 33k.. That's my logic anyway. I don't like buying new vehicles Insurance alone is my reasoning. More money for the car!

[nlzmo400r]

well considering a 2002 WRX goes for 21k not including tax, license and all that good stuff, lets say you get an S14 for 6 grand. You got 15 grand to spend on an RB25DET, TEIN suspension, tires, wheels, and whatever else u need with the interior and exterior

Me thinks u'd have about 400hp and one SWEET ride of the same as a 2002 WRX. and a 2003 WRX is 26grand. STI around 33k.. That's my logic anyway. I don't like buying new vehicles Insurance alone is my reasoning. More money for the car!

nice points ,, 400hp, a bit out there, but possible, and also, why is the o3 WRX 4 grand more than the o2??

[JustinStrife]

Well I was just talking about the used 2002's. In the San Diego trader they are running 20,995 plus tax etc.

400hp really isn't all that out there. for 10 grand I can have a 500hp RB25DET installed in a 240sx through Daunttless(or a 500hp CA18DET if I was insane enough)

the RB25 starts off at 240-250hp at the wheels already. With a tiny T25 turbo. Plus being it's a 2.5l 6cyl it's got some torque to it. Daunttless installs the RB with downpipe, exhaust, etc for 5,900. Stock. Think of the potential by just going to a bigger turbo? Say you spend 10 grand doing the 500hp option. You're now at 16k for an S14 with a Satanic motor. I'd rather spend the next 5-8 grand on Tires/Wheels, Suspension and interior and have something that'll make a WRX shake a little

OR

You could spend 2-3 grand for an S13 coupe or hatchback and save a little more money. (which I originally intended before it got totalled...)

But all in all, it's up to the person and what they want. If they want 4wd, RWD, 4dr or 2dr, new or old, etc.

Don't get me wrong. The WRX and STI are BADASS. I've ridden in a WRX that hugged the road like crazy. They got awesome potential.

I'm just more of a fan of RWD 2dr cars and taking them to their limit.

Another option is to buy like a 98 RS Subaru 2dr like my friend Kyle has, and turboing that.

The choices for a performance car are almost endless. and I LOVE that. Too bad we got screwed out of some of the Japanese cars never making it to the U.S. Would have made things even cooler.

But hey if you're going WRX. Go for it. Hopefully someday we'll meet up at a track somewhere and take the cars to their limits as well as our driving techniques. :ylsuper

[nlzmo400r]

yea, well maybe 400 isnt all taht far out there afterall, hmm, if i had a 240....., but still u say that the o3 wrx are going for 26, for that, itd be 350z!!, if i was going old ofcourse, id have to look into something like an s14 with an sr20 or rb25, and yea iknow all of daunts prices, i printed it out abuot 50 times for people i know (hoping to send some buisness ur way daunt!!), and man, 16k for an installed rb26dett with 4WD, in a 240, geez, thats what im talking about baby!!!

[Cold_Zero]

really?, i never heard of them as bieng THAT expensive, is it cuz of the 4wd itself, or maybe the design of the engien (since its a boxer?), what makes it so expensive?, and welcome dude, hope u like the forums, need any help, just use the search button first, and if u cant find what ur looking for, just make a thread!, nice to have u

I think he may have been talking about the price of buying aftermarket parts for a car new to the market. Any time a company releases a new part it tends to be a bit pricey (example APS up-pipe for a WRX) as opposed to parts that have been out on the market for a while. To be honest, with the competition for selling aftermarket for Subarus (the English, the Aussies, the Japanese and the Americans) the prices are not that bad. You have to look for the good deals just like for any car.

Btw my brand new (5kmi) '03 WRX was 24k, if that helps to give you a pricing point.

[nnkfws333]

I know this is off the wall but I was on texasracingscene.com and I saw that Dodge Neon SRT run a 12.9 with like full exhaust (upipe, downpipe, etc.) manual boost controller, and I think 16 lbs. maybe some more stuff I cant remember but I was impressed but all in all its still a NEON! but for 19k thats not bad at all.....hopefully Nissan might have to jump on the bandwagon with maybe a Silvia being imported heh

[JustinStrife]

It'll never happen. But we can dream