I found this interesting:

I found that picture here:http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/bonneville.htm

And here's the Lincoln:

-Jesda

damn that mark 8 can move! My buddies dad had one and it was quick. Hit second gear with the auto like any 5spd. that thing was dang smooth as well.

Q got owned!!

Altiman94 wrote:Q got owned!!

Not for long.

We're currently working with a CA guy who is pretty sure he can beat that with an early Q. He's shooting for 200, and on paper it looks like he'll hit 217.

Had a black on black 93 MK VIII company car in 93, had two VA vanity plates while I had it;

NOT DADSLT WHAT

Have a pic here somewhere of my entry in the MM&FF burnout contest, also circa 93-94.

Picked up more a** than a taxi cab in that thing, those were the days.

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That seems weird. I thought there were many reports that the Q could do WELL over 170,180 with the JWT.....

dkill wrote:163?

That's weak.. what gives....

Thats pretty close to normal top speed for a Q w/o governor.

Fred....

That record was very specific. Does anyone know the details of the Q's record?

The Mark above had a 2.47 final drive, (my 93 had a 3.08, the later production LSC had 3.27) The engine & trans was spec built with production parts, but hand selected zero imbalance parts, the cats were removed, dual exhaust was installed (probably Borla), the factory air bag suspension was modified to lower the car 2" from normal sub 60mph height, the side view mirrors were removed, belly pans for air management were installed, the rear brakes were removed, and thin (Bonneville) style tires were installed to reduce drag.

I'd like to know the details on the Q's record run.

Bonneville is 4300 ASML so power would be down 13% compared to sealevel .~~ 35-40 HP might be significant vs a cool day in Florida.

Just how much the less dense air decreases the power required to go 175 mph is not known without individual testing.

I could imagine 165 [+-2 mph] mph at sealevel if the road was long enough and the flywheel HP was ~~ 300. [JWT]

To go from 163 mph to 179 mph takes 33% more flywheel power.

My rough cut at the differences between Florida and Bonneville is 3-4 mph at the top with Florida being faster at the same temperature............unless the hurricane cause a drop in air pressure.

http://www.welltall.com/ymc/di....htmlh ... pspeed.htm

The Mark XIII is pretty aero. But I knew that thing wasn't completely accurate.

While it WAS technically "stock" the mods HD listed would probably push a properly-geared Q above that. I'd say such a high final drive ratio makes it far from "stock".

Hell, look how easy Todd's Q hit 140 - and it's old with lots of miles and NO aero mods.

dkill wrote:Fred, If that is the case, then I don't want to hear any more stories on some random "bad" Q45 topping 180.Because 163 is FAR FAR FAR from 180I personally believe the Q would do well into the 170s..

yes it is far from 180 but that Q had more than just governor removed , jwt chip .and we dont know well that 93 was running.

PalmerWMD wrote:yes it is far from 180 but that Q had more than just governor removed , jwt chip .and we dont know well that 93 was running.

Absolutely, FoMoCo is notorious for under <or> overestimating published hp numbers. I'm sure ALL they did was bump the speed limiter....uh....YEAH, RIGHT! For all we know, that could have been a higher CR skunkworks precursor to the '03 Cobra Romeo, or any number of experimental mills.

HD, born last night, but it was early.

Close, the 96-02 Ford Cobra 4.6 4V were hand assembled aluminum block/heads, the Mark VIII's were also, but not hand assembled, there were some other differences too.

Before someone jumps in & corrects me that there was no Cobra in one of those years 96-02, I concede I forget which year. (2000?)

The 4V motors in the Mach I, Marauder are also similar architecture. The 03 Cobra though, is a cast iron block, alum head, forged crank, Manley rods, forged pistons as well as the obvious supercharger. A great swap for a 90-95 Q with a blown engine, those things were rated at 390 flywheel & there have been several around here putting down 390 at the tires with little/no mods.

I agree wtih dkill, althought I'm not sure on the 1/4 times of the earlier cobras, so I can't comment on them.

dkill wrote:Heavy, what do you think of the eaton setup, we are going with.. now that we have pictures.. comments?

I think AGM's summary in the other post says it all. The pics of it look pretty straightforward, the hard part has been done & you have management available off the shelf for most everyone.

Well, I just thought I'd post my review of the 94 Mark 8 in case anyone was interested. Plus, I'm bored.

A good friend of mine is looking to get another vehicle, something with a performance edge. He currently enjoys a Chrysler LHS but it lacks in torque and acceleration. Its the family workhorse (a gorgeous, roomy, full-featured, and very comfortable one at that) but its not much of a man's automotive playtoy.

So I took a gander at a very stunning pearl white 1994 Lincoln Mark 8. You ever see a girl walk by and find yourself unable to stop staring? Or walk away from your car and keep looking back at it over and over and over?

Love at first sight. Or lust. Yeah, probably lust.

Pictures and video here:http://q.spilky.com/mark8

First of all, the sound. It was exceptional! (You can hear it in the video clip). The VH45DE sounds refined and almost musical. But the 4.6 V8 used in the Mark 8 (and other Ford products?) has the raw brutish grunt missing from the Q. Its a monster, and the looks make it a stealth one. Like the Q, its officially rated at 280-290hp but in reality has a bit more.

Stepping into the Mark, the dash is a bit like the Q in orientation and design. All the controls wrap around the driver. The seats were also more comfortable. And where we usually see an analog clock in our G50s, it has an LCD screen with trip information, fuel information, a compass, and basic warnings (low fluid, time to change oil, brakes, etc). And with our horribly laid out roads here in St Louis, I immediately fell in love with the large, useful digital compass. Thats one of the many things I love about American cars -- doodads and comfort features.



The plastic surfaces (especially) and leather don't feel as nice, and the radio, switchgear, and gauges are identical to what you'll see in a Ford Windstar, but its a decent package overall. It was lacking the full "upper crust" luxury experience, but it played the part acceptably, and presents itself well.

The best part, however, was on the interstate. Steering was surgically precise, and the car lowered itself an inch when I hit 55mph. Power was -immediately- available. There was no weighted-down heavy-car lag in acceleration. And handling was nice and flat.. on par with the G50, perhaps slightly better in some respects (less body roll). Unfortunately, over rough roads the ride became a little bit harsh.

Headlights are a known problem on pre-97. Night visibility was very poor, but nothing a proper lens cleaning couldn't fix.

So why isn't he looking into getting a Q45? Well, maintenance costs are higher. And he's a former mechanic, and the Lincoln is much more DIY-friendly. Parts are significantly cheaper. Plus, its mostly for him, not the kids. A coupe is perfect.

The Mark 8 is one of the classiest ways to own an American performance car (for a reasonable price that is... I drool over the Cadillac XLR). If I had a few grand to throw around, I'd like to have one myself.

Oh, I hated the automatic headlights. Thats something I refuse to give up control over.

So that sums up my review.

-Jesda

The Mark VIII is indeed an attractive car. I look at it as Ford's version of the J30. Niche market, styling way ahead of its time.

Unfortunately, QC issues plagued the Mark throughout its short run. It's too bad, because it's a beauty.

I often dabble on the Cadillac forums, and the Eldorado/ETC is definitely a nicer package -- quieter, more reliable, more efficient, more refined. But front-wheel drive? I say save such a layout for small cars and transportation appliances. There's something that seems very foul and wrong about sending 300hp to the front wheels.

And for pure value, the front-drive Buick Riviera beats them both hands down, and almost matches them in torque (about 275 lb-ft). Some say GM's 3800 Series II V6 is wheezy, but it runs forever.

I really do like the less refined sound of the Mark. It sounds rather domestic, the way I believe mechanical power ought to sound. And the way I'd like my Q to sound, perhaps with future exhaust modifications.

-Jesda

Mine's a dog in the summer too.

Keep in mind that the Bondurant rides are (were) Roush-prepped Cobras - No HP shortage there, heat notwithstanding.

dkill, you crack me up man, you are the founding member of the one-track-mind society.

*Any* conversation has a way of turning into a pep rally for the blower.

Much better, I might add, than a flash in the pan. Keep up the good work.

dkill wrote:
Everytime I accelrate in my Q, I think about what it would be like with about another 100 hp...

I guess I'm a fiend for the Q

A fiend indeed...:evilhaha...Danisiti 1

Land speed record holder here...Muskogee county Oklahoma, March 17, 1971Absolutely BONE STOCK 1967 Ford T-Bird withminor mods to Autolite 4300 4bbl non-shoebox carb.Stock replacement 2 1/2" full duals with front mufflers removed.Premium (100 octane) Sonoco pump gas.Altitude (before takeoff) approx 500 ft above sea level.Temperature approx 40 degress, northerly wind 8-10.Michelin radials at 35 lbs. Mileage on vehicle at flight- approx 62k. Traveling south on US 64, left city limits going south treveling toward Warner, Oklahoma. At the bottom of hill, noticed black and white with reflective 3" numerals on left lower trunk, chrome doo-lolly hanging off rear drivers door pointed at traffic (me). Made top of hill, still no visible reaction from Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper I had just BLASTED at 100mph OVER the limit. Burried brakes and pulled off road...WAAAAY off road. Got out of car, went to the back, in order to "cover" reflective liscence (remember, this thing had wall-to-wall tailights/reflectors, too-distinct signature-DOH!) and I heard the music of one MoPar Commando 440 HiPo interceptor topping the hill in "hot pursuit" and passing me....Long story short, the guy at the drive-in got liscence number when I turned around and headed back to town, and after chasing me 14 miles, OHP trooper turned around, and stopped for coffee....at the drive in.After being arrested later that night, and eventually seeing a judge, the reckless driving was reduced to speeding ticket and fined $1 per mile per hour over limit- $100 plus cost. The trooper had me at 155, or 100 over the limit. Still stands as the land speed record for a speeding ticket. Everyone else got "reckless"or better. Long live the "Nat Irish" -former state hwy commish- highway.

SOLID!!!

Very impressive but isn't there a story on the speedng thread about a Q driver getting stopped after doing 160+ in Florida?

Yeah, ok yeah, yeah, but was he driving and 1967 "Q" with a 390 CID and a THREE speed automatic? 15" primitive radials and 2.73:1 posi-trac...???? How long ago WAS that anyway?

kblast523 wrote:Yeah, ok yeah, yeah, but was he driving and 1967 "Q" with a 390 CID and a THREE speed automatic? 15" primitive radials and 2.73:1 posi-trac...???? How long ago WAS that anyway?

Point taken.

High speeds in real Infinitis are not as "risky".