400HP VS 400HP Who will win????

[bigwhiteboybob]

Ok so this is a topic of dicussion at work. You have a turbo'ed car making 400whp and a naturally aspirated car making 400whp for the sake of the argument both cars wieght the exact same. who will win? will the n/a car win 0-60 and the turbo win in the long run will both cars cover the same amount of ground in the same amount of time? what is your input?

[HashiriyaS14]

Sense.

This thread makes none.

All that really matters is at what RPM each car is making power, assuming equal weight, gearing, aerodynamics, and traction.

The NA car could be making 400hp out of 2.5L at 10,000rpm or it could be making 400hp out of 8.3L at like 2,000rpm.

[Papi Chulo]

the one with 400hp

[bigwhiteboybob]

okay let me clear this up yes its pointless and i know what your saying about the rpms but in a impossible world both cars make the same amount of hp at the same amount of rpms who wins?

[simmode1]

There's alot of variables here...

-who's got the most traction, ie wider tires?-what do their powerbands look like?-how is the suspension setup?-who's the better driver?

Bench racing FTL.

[PBfrEAk]

Sense.

This thread makes none.

All that really matters is at what RPM each car is making power, assuming equal weight, gearing, aerodynamics, and traction.

The NA car could be making 400hp out of 2.5L at 10,000rpm or it could be making 400hp out of 8.3L at like 2,000rpm.

This.

Already been said by the great post by Hash...BUT...there are a TON of factors that come into play.

So.....yeah....

[Papi Chulo]

Congratulations. Nala is not the most retarded poster of the day.

[bigwhiteboybob]

okay here are the variable THERE THE SAME!! in every way you can think of but one makes 400whp with a turbo and the other with a N/A motor everything is the same because this is a impossible world. the drivers are twins.

[Red coupe]

Stupid question, stupid poster, stupid co-workers.

The lighter car with more grip and a flatter power band wins... which ever one that may be.

okay let me clear this up yes its pointless and i know what your saying about the rpms but in a impossible world both cars make the same amount of hp at the same amount of rpms who wins?

If the engines are making the same HP at the same RPMs the the power/torque outputs are exactly the same and it doesn't matter if its turbo, NA, hampster driven or otherwise... at the torque at the wheels is the same and the only difference between the two engines is weight.

okay here are the variable THERE THE SAME!! in every way you can think of but one makes 400whp with a turbo and the other with a N/A motor everything is the same because this is a impossible world. the drivers are twins.

If ALL the variable are the same then the two cars finish dead even.
Modified by Red coupe at 6:29 PM 11/16/2009

[HashiriyaS14]

okay let me clear this up yes its pointless and i know what your saying about the rpms but in a impossible world both cars make the same amount of hp at the same amount of rpms who wins?

Precisely the same power at the same RPM's, with the same weight, the same traction, the same aerodynamic properties, the same drivetrain layout and loss, and the same gearing?

Methinks they'd tie then, right?

The point is, forced induction is all about powerband. If you're going to get the same 400hp at the same rpm with the same weight, why would you ever be boosting in the first place?

[bigwhiteboybob]

OKAY OKAY I SEE THIS IS GOING NO WHERE FAST SO IMA CHANGE MY STORY TO MAYBE GET A PROPER RESPONSE.

cars have same everything but power bands are different same drivers and what not. so this being said what wins turbo or N/A

ill list a example for you to. sr20det with same everything as a lt1 conversion both making 400whp does this make this better same everything but powertrain both making 400whp

[HashiriyaS14]

OKAY OKAY I SEE THIS IS GOING NO WHERE FAST SO IMA CHANGE MY STORY TO MAYBE GET A PROPER RESPONSE.

cars have same everything but power bands are different same drivers and what not. so this being said what wins turbo or N/A

ill list a example for you to. sr20det with same everything as a lt1 conversion both making 400whp does this make this better same everything but powertrain both making 400whp

LT1? Does anyone put LT1's into S-Chassis? You mean LS1?

YAY OPTISPARK!

Soooooo.....my question still stands? WHAT is the powerband of the two engines? Is the V8 breathing really well up high? Does the SR not make any power until 4,500rpm because of some huge turbo?

You have to understand...this thread won't work no matter what you do. You have to just race two actual cars....or be EXTREMELY specific in your example.

Bench racing is lame. Is this your roundabout way of trying to find out what to do to your S13?

[APEXi240]

who will win?

We've all lost by reading this thread.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

The turbo should be slower, most likely because of it's smaller displacement, therefore an inferior powerband to the N/A.

[bigwhiteboybob]

okay im pretty much done with this thread but no im not looking for what to do with my car check out my build thread and you will see my car.
Modified by bigwhiteboybob at 6:49 PM 11/16/2009

[bigwhiteboybob]

We've all lost by reading this thread.

[billabong093]

the drivers are twins

Which was born first? Idc if its seconds, time is experience.

[bigwhiteboybob]

Which was born first? Idc if its seconds, time is experience.

duelly noted..

[simmode1]

We've all lost by reading this thread.

It needs to go away now...

[asoomal]

N/A

No lag.

[horubeets]

The one with 400 hp would win.

[Joe]

the one with the broader powerband will win

odds are its the V8.

p.s. bench racing is gay.

[bigwhiteboybob]

N/A

No lag.

thats what im thinking

[simmode1]

N/A

No lag.

thats what im thinking

Careful with that. Lag is not an across-the-board universal truth for all turbo charged cars. As previously stated, there are too many varibles to address. But generally, whoever's got the most broad powerband is gonna win.

In the case of the V8 versus SR20DET, the SR still has a chance depending on whats done to it. To reach 400whp, of course, it will have been modified extensively. Two ways for it to match the powerband of a V8 would be to either twin-charge it or run ITB's in conjuction with the high output turbo.

Discussing this is like reading an episode of 'Pinks'... lame in anyway you look at it....

[audtatious]

If you have a barn owl in a barn and a twin barn owl in the woods, if both fart, will they fart the same in a tree or in the rafters, assuming they are at the same height and with the same humidity, temp, baro-pressure, has eaten the same food at the same time of the day in the same quantity.....????

[SeVa-S13]

Dumber for having read.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

If you have a barn owl in a barn and a twin barn owl in the woods, if both fart, will they fart the same in a tree or in the rafters, assuming they are at the same height and with the same humidity, temp, baro-pressure, has eaten the same food at the same time of the day in the same quantity.....????

What if the barn has those little prickly thingys to keep birds off the rafters?

[audtatious]

ok...the barn rafters don't have those prickly things and the tree branch is smooth too

[S13_love]

The N/A car.

[nametakennow]

The car with the fat end of its power curve lower in the rev range will get the better start. The car that runs out of breath later will then catch up. Whichever car has a wider powerband will win. Not by a lot, though.