But like I said, as of SP1 (before that really....) It worked fine, and had all the hardware support it needed. Almost everything I ever plugged into my vista laptop worked automatically... and the few things that didn't just took going to the manufacturers website and downloading the right driver.

If your vista DIDN'T work, you were either one of the first to use it, or you fail at basic computing.

Vista was never actually broken in the on-off functionality sense. The issue is with its god-awful resource consumption, power management, sloppy code, and all-around lazy engineering. A proper modern operating system needs to justify its heft with a feature set that extends beyond eye candy. The massive speed and efficiency upgrade that comes with Windows 7 is clear evidence of how horrible Vista was.

With Windows 7, Microsoft listened to users and coordinated with major manufacturers, recognizing that hardware and software have to work together for a desktop computer to work properly. Its something Apple had been doing for decades, exclusively pairing its software with its simultaneously developed hardware, ensuring fewer problems and issues.

Apple gets a lot of credit for forcing Microsoft to change its product development process.

Garbage like Vista will never happen again.

The thing that made me most angry about Vista was DirectX10. What a joke. DirectX10 did not do any of the magical things it was supposed to do. And now MS is already moving ahead with DX11. Well, geniuses, there AREN'T ANY DIRECTX 11 VIDEO CARDS YET. That's not actually true, but there are only a handful of cards that support the API at this point.
WTF is the point of plowing ahead with DirectX if the hardware isn't ready for it yet? Especially when you haven't even adequately exploited DX10 to justify the pressure you put on everyone to upgrade. Stop outrunning hardware. Or at least give hardware a chance to be prepared for your changes. It would have been nice to see a market full of DX10/11 cards BEFORE the move to DX11, you jackasses. I'm NOT going to buy a new video card every year just because MS feels the need to put bigger numbers on their marketing image.

How long did DirectX9 last. And how long did DX10 last? Something's not right here.

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in fairness Vistas resource hogging was way over blown. One big thing, for what ever reason that f***ing side bar seemed to at least originally require a super computer to display your weather.... But with that off and a 1.6 c2d w/ 2 gig of s***ty ram I used my laptop just fine. My desktop is fairly quick so I am used to not having to wait on things and the laptop was never painful. I used it for 3d cad work, for games like BF2, for photoshop.... reasonably demanding programs.

One of the reasons it seemed so bad was because the OS automatically adjusted to how much it could take. While I don't see why it needed to use what it did, so many people like Noah would fire up task manager and "OMG ITS USING A GIG OF RAM AT IDLE!" (actually, for people with even better computers it could appear even worse)

But the fact is... YOUR COMPUTER IS IDLING! Who cars how much of your ram the OS is using? Your not using it...When you gave the computer something to do it would calm down and not take up so much.

As far as DX 9 and DX10 lifetimes... Ehhh... New OS gives the the opportunity to roll something out... Same thing with games I don't mind if they outpace hardware, Hardware moves fast and its not like anyone is losing anything. You DC 10 card will work just as well as if they stuck with DX10. It IS a little stupid that they roll out DX10 for such a short amount of time.... but really vista was out for a short amount of time.... it was killed by mistakes early on, and MS felt they had to do something to get away from the vista name. I really believe that above everything else 7 is just a way to shut all all the people who refused to use vista because they had it stuck in their heads it was the worst thing ever.
Windows 7 is SO MUCH like vista I really think it could damn near just be a service pack, but its better to just give it a new name, and write off the whole "vista" thing as one big f*** up. So vista gets killed early, and things like DX10 go with it.

Oh well, I just edited the stupidity from it.

If you want to discuss Apple vs. PC, (or how simply awesome and spectacular that you think Apple is, even though you don't support them) start a new thread.

Try to keep this on topic about Windows 7. Thanks.

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Next summer, Intel will release the hexacore i9...

Any word from Intel about how much the i9 will cost?

Win2k is on my list of all-time favorite operating systems.

I don't know about anything official. But all the whispers indicate the $1000+ mark.

But the awesome part is that it'll use the same socket 1366 that the core i7 900 series processors use (which I have). That's really awesome for those of us already running lga 1366 mobos. I'll probably wait for the price to drop (maybe give it a year) and then slap one in my computer.

There's a new tier of i7 (800 series) that'll share a socket/chipset with the i5. The only difference between the two will be the lack of Hyperthreading on the i5. The i3 will be yet another chipset, but same lga1156 socket as the i5 and i7 800.

Hyperthreading really just allows a processor to handle two separate process THREADS simultaneously. There's no benefit with software not designed to operate as separate threads. That's why Windows7's optimizations for task scheduling are so critical: the i7 and i9 are designed to switch "strengths" depending on the needs of the software being run. If it's a multithreaded application, the hyperthreading yields benefits. But if it's NOT multithreaded, the CPU is smart enough to overclock (using "TurboBoost") the core(s) doing all the work for benefits there, too. With windows treating threads and processors the same, it needs to be able to to identify those situations where TurboBoost is beneficial versus those situations where spreading out the load is most beneficial and shift the task load accordingly. TurboBoost can ONLY come into play when there are idle cores. Vista is too "stupid" to set aside those idle cores as off limits in order to optimize the benefits of TurboBoost. In fact, it intentionally shifts tasks around for other reasons.

Neat idea to use Hyperthreading to optimize things.
I remember it being used on single-cores a few years ago, before duo-core processors.

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The i5 is a REALLY REALLY good chip, especially considering the pricetag. I would be very happy with one. The i5 outperforms the still-crazy expensive Core2 Extreme.

It's not the best chip for building a monster gaming machine, since it has only 2 memory channels and significantly fewer PCIE pipelines than the i7 900 series. But up to that point it's fantastic.

Tidy and out of the way. The way an operating system ought to be.

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LOL, I'm sure I can search the intarwebs for someone saying "Garbage like WinME will never happen again"

It'll happen again, but it's okay, because Win7 is really good and we'll just stick with it, just like we stuck with 98 when ME came out and XP when Vista came out.

M$ gets it right often enough. Apple is so many flavors of wrong (compatibility, price, everything about the hardware) that a decent OS every decade from M$ is enough to make them "t3h winrar"

Try to beat these prices:

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/em...mrsZ1

MS gets it wrong more often than right, but healthy profits from Office and Windows products make any other failures financially irrelevant. A minor threat comes from the open source community and from Apple, not enough to matter to shareholders, but enough to put a small dent in Microsoft's "street cred".

And that's just enough, fortunately, to get them to finally give a damn. There's research and collaboration -- no more "make whatever the hell we want and throw it over the wall".

And why the crap does MS suddenly think I want the File/Edit/etc. menus hidden from me? What the hell is this? STOP BEING STUPID. Leave s*** alone. Stop trying to fix what's not broken in order to be "different." I don't want different. I want it to f***ing work.

As for the "minor threat" from Apple...no. Apple is not a threat to MS, they're a curio. For proof of this, you need look no further than MS's advertising. Apple's is hostile and douchebagalicious. If MS cared one iota about Apple they'd be making some kind of marketing rebuttal. But they act like they're not even there. Tells you a lot about how MS sees Apple as far as competition goes. Apple has openly attacked MS in marketing for years. MS has never once felt the need to defend themselves. Elephants do not respond to insults from flies.

Apple's ads make me want to murder innocent babies. That alone drives my hate factor for the company higher than most others I can think of.

I watch more TV than you. You've missed out on an entire year and half of Microsoft's ad campaigns.

There's been criticism of Microsoft's latest round of "I'm a PC" advertising, especially commercials where people are given money to go purchase a portable computer and specifically explain why they didn't go with an Apple product.

Its a VERY OBVIOUS and DIRECT response to Apple, and a lot of it has to do with corporate pride. Steve Ballmer is a pretty passionate guy who seems to take things personally. I'm thinking he had a hand in choosing to respond to Apple in a public way.

It comes across as petty, and to consumers it gives Apple much more legitimacy than its meager market share suggests.

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That being said, I've had 7 for about a week now and I do think it is a step up from Vista. Things are much simpler and easier to use. My sister is a HUGE Mac fan and we get into arguments over PC vs. Mac all the time. I keep trying to get her to put them side by side and see which one works better, but she won't.

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I don't know why so many people had problems with Vista. I actually liked it. It never gave me ONE problem. I think most of the problem was most people where using Vista on an older PC that just didn't have the hardware to run it. I've got 4GB of RAM, 2.4 Core2Duo, 1GB GeForce and it ran just fine. My cousin had 1GB of RAM, integrated graphics, and like a 1.8 AMD and it ran like a**.

Again, the problem is that it came installed on PCs that ran it poorly, because of poor communication between Microsoft, the public, and manufacturers. My Acer came with Vista installed and it crawled and occasionally froze. The same machine runs OSX and Win7 very well.

Your cousin's old PC would get a huge boost from Windows 7.

Even with a capable system, its a waste of what you paid for your hardware to expend CPU cycles, battery life, and memory on inefficient code and poor engineering. Its like burning extra fuel to haul around a pile of granite that you'll never use. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

http://xkcd.com/323/

I LOL'd

Every apple commercial is directly aimed at putting down microsoft, instead of making themselves look good.... To the point of making fun of appearances.

Kinda like to see MS stand up for itself and punch apple in the face.

The ads accept that Apple products are more stylish and appealing: "I'm not cool enough to own a Mac". Then, they mention the price advantage but fail to explain why you still get just as much for a lower price. Microsoft positions itself as the software provider for low-cost computers with no desirability.

In the end, the viewer is left to believe that Apple products are the more appealing but more expensive choice, reaffirming Apple's brand strategy.
"Well, if I want to settle for something cheap and ugly, I can save a lot of money."

It would be like Toyota comparing the Corolla to the BMW 3-series. "I'm not cool enough to own a BMW. Plus, I can save $20,000 and buy a Corolla!"

Its a really sloppy way of going after Apple. Microsoft should have focused on actual advantages of Windows, like corporate compatibility, hardware options, user friendliness, and a vast selection of games and other software.

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Yeah, actually it's the first day I have ever ventured into this place. What do you people call it... The World Wide Webs?

Meh, whatever. It's a lot better after the immense amout of dumb was edited out of the thread.

At this point I don't really give a fook.

I do think they should go after games though.... play on the fun apple guy not being able to play at all, and the geeky business guy being the place to go for games.

I just checked, i3 does not seem like it will have TurboBoost. Looks like i5 is the way to go.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...=3585

LMAO, after I read your post I thought the last sentence said "I dont really give a damn, gook"

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