Mother of all S13 engine swaps... cobra v8

[killernoodle]

Just a little teaser of a project I'm working on with my brother alongside my SR20det powered Locost...

My brother's s13 coupe is in need of an engine (and lots of other stuff). I saw this at the local pull-a-part and got a good, semi terrifying, idea.



So after 2 days of swearing, grunting, bleeding, sweating, and getting sunburned... it was relieved of its previous home and test fit in its new home.



Interestingly, the only modifications needed to make it fit are a front sump oil pan and a relocation of the sway bar, both of them being relatively easy to do since I can use the oil pan from another lincoln to get the front sump and the sway bar attaches to the bottom of the frame in a simple way. The engine mounts end up just a few inches from the stock location and the stock lincoln log headers are reversible and end up just clearing the frame rails. I'll probably cut them up and use them for the turbos.

Some more info about the motor: its out of the lincoln mark 8, the block is cast in Italy by the same company who casts blocks for ferrari. Its referred to as the Teksid block and is the most sought after as far as mod motor blocks go. Its a DOHC 32 valve v8, 4.6 liters, with the right valvesprings it can easily spin to 7000+ rpms. Its rotating assembly is total s***e, so I went ahead and got the crank, rods, and pistons out of the terminator cobra brand new on ebay. The crank is forged, the rods are manley forged H-beams, and the pistons are forged Mahle with a nice turbo dish and should be good for 8.5:1 ish compression. These parts should be good to 1000 horsepower and the block can handle a ton more still.

So far the car cost $350, the engine $200, and the rotating assembly $1090. My brother is working on getting a T56 transmission for about $600 from a guy locally. So the project is going to be kept on the cheap, and it should be quite the sleeper when we're done with it... provided you don't hear the exhaust note and the spoolin twins up front

Good first post?

[wrxratd]

Holy crap mod motors do fit in the s chassis!!!! sweet. Awesome project, i shall be watching!

[the converted]

This is going to be sweet. You have to many projects for me to keep my eye on!

[gregfarz78]

holy crap that engine is a wide load lol

good luck with it that should be badass

[1991ls13]

what hp and tq they rated????

[killernoodle]

280hp/285ft.lbs stock with all emissions crap and restrictive everything, with twins @ 10 psi, some head work, the forged stuff, etc... it should be a little bit higher (Like 600rwhp on pump LOL)

I'm fairly certain it can handle probably 16psi of pure terror.

[killernoodle]

My conversation with the guy who is selling me the cobra crank, rods, and pistons from ebay... it never ceases to amaze me how big of an ***hole someone can be.

Quote »Me: Hey man, I'm the winning bidder of the crank rods and pistons, would you rather do the payment through paypal or a USPS money order? I think the paypal fees for receiving $1100 are about $30 and that would come out of your end, a money order costs about $1.50. I've got a pile of cash on hand so the money order would be more convienent for me, otherwise I'd have to deposit the cash into my bank and then transfer the funds to my paypal account and then pay you with the paypal.

Either way I can send the payment either monday or tuesday, depending on which day I'll be back in town.

Let me know what would be better for you.

Reini Grauer[/quote]Quote »Him:Look man its been a few days now. Why havent you paid. I will make sure to dispute this if i dont receive payment soon!!!! Wut is the hold up!!!!??

- jscheraton2008[/quote]Quote »Me:I sent you an email yesterday, essentially this is what I said:Hey man, I'm the winning bidder of the crank rods and pistons, would you rather do the payment through paypal or a USPS money order? I think the paypal fees for receiving $1100 are about $30 and that would come out of your end, a money order costs about $1.50. I've got a pile of cash on hand so the money order would be more convenient for me, otherwise I'd have to deposit the cash into my bank and then transfer the funds to my paypal account and then pay you with the paypal.

Either way I can send the payment either monday or tuesday, depending on which day I'll be back in town.

Let me know what would be better for you.

Reini Grauer

Did you not get that email? Sorry if this inconveniences you.[/quote]Quote »Him:Look man. Let me tell you this. I LISTED ONLY PAYAL FOR PAYMENT! AND I MEANT IT! See i know there are tons and tons of little prick a** scammers sitting all over the place on the internet thinking that they can get over on someone who doesnt know how it works. Well let me say this. Its not gonna happen. If you want to paypal me the money then do it, if you dont,then dont even waste your time. I am not about to take a chance of you sending me a fake cashiers check or a fake money order. Sorry if you are legit but 99.9% of ppl trying to " change" the payment for "my benefit" are scammers. So pay me through paypal or stop wasting our time.-jscheraton2008[/quote]Quote »Me (sent from my phone, hence the bad capitalization):no reason to get hostile over it, ive been scammed over paypal too anddidnt get any of my money back. i was just trying to save you a littlecoin thats all. ill get you a paypal monday then. its a federaloffense to forge a usps money order, thats not my intent if thats whatyou mean lol.[/quote]Quote »Him:Are you gonna send me the money through paypal or what?-devin- jscheraton2008[/quote]Quote »Me:Yes, I told you that. I have a pile of cash I need to deposit at the bank first into the checking account my paypal is tied to. Bank opens tomorrow, should be able to paypal tomorrow.

- noodlerg[/quote]Quote »Him:Hey there,I need a definite date when i am going to receive payment. I really cannot wait more than 2 days. This is taking too long. Please let me know.

- jscheraton2008[/quote]Quote »Me:I can definitely send it off later today, probably after noon.

As far as "taking too long", standard operating procedure is payment within 7 days of auction ending, thats for situations like this where money has to be allocated to an account and to give the bank the time to process the funds. I can't exactly just leave $1100 in my paypal account for no reason, so you have to see my side of this too.

You might want to read this too, its another reason why I thought you might prefer a money order instead: paypal will probably withhold the funds until I leave positive feedback when I get the box, so you would most likely get your money faster with a money order, depending on how long it takes to ship.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin...tside

Just a heads up man. If you still want that paypal today just give me the word and I'll send it off as soon as I deposit the cash at the bank this morning.

Thanks man!

- noodlerg[/quote]I went ahead and sent that douche a paypal this afternoon, all this took place in the past 4 days... talk about impatience. Looks like he'll have to be patient to get his money, I'm going to take my time giving him feedback, gotta make sure everything is in perfect order and all!

Best part is, he is all worried about being scammed, I have been on ebay since August of 2002 and have a 100% rating with 119 feedback score, he has been on since December and has a 7 feedback score... I think I should be the one worrying about being scammed

[wrxratd]

By all means take your time leaving feedback for this douche nugget. What a prick.

Good luck with the motor swap though, should be a killer. And with 8.5 compression and forged goodies, i'd say it'll be good for a fair bit more than 16 psi, probably closer to 18 on pump, 24 on corn and closer to 30 on race fuel. Have fun!!!

[Kalypso]

wow taking that out must have certainly been a b****

[killernoodle]

More stupidity with the rotating assembly seller:

Quote »Him:hey man,it meant no harm when i was getting agitated after your offer for a money order, its just that basically there is SO SO SO much scamming going on that i thought you werent legit trying to change the payment method. I got the paypal payment, and they did not hold the funds. I will be getting the stuff out tom sometime. I know that there were good intentions on your part but if you know about them holding funds, then you definitely know about all of the money order and cashier's check fraud going on nowadays. So, that was my only hitch. I dont deal with ANYTHING but paypal. I know i wont get burned. Anyways, thanks.[/quote]Quote » Him: hey man,

well if you want to help me out with something, here it is. Ebay hit me with something like 36 dolars worth of ebay fees. I am going to send you a mutual agreement message, that will basically allow me to get a credit for the final value fees. Let me know if this is cool, and ill go ahead and send it. I got everything packaged up tonight, got all 3 boxes (one for rods, one for pistons,one for crank) stuffed together in one big box. Weighed 75 lbs. VERY heavy. Made the label, and will have it out tomorrow morning. Thanks[/quote]Quote »Me:Wait, so is this like settling it out of ebay or something, because I don't really want to do that. If something happens and I don't get my parts, I'm screwed out of $1100 and I would be forfeiting the leverage ebay has over this transaction. I'd rather just shoot you the $36 or whatever it is when I get the box and leave positive feedback, but even then most sellers know that ebay has big fees and its the kinda the way of the beast and factor this into a reserve price so they know they get something to cover it. I'm not going to accept the transaction cancellation because thats kinda waiving my rights to a make any kind of claims.

I think thats a better option personally. [/quote]This tard wants to cancel the whole transaction and re-do it outside of ebay because he doesn't want to pay for auction fees now... WTF.I told him I wasn't going to do it because if anything happens ebay won't do anything to make it right because we settled the payment outside of ebay and ebay doesn't get any money. What does he think I am, some kind of goon?

I'd rather pacify this miser retard with his measly $36 than risk him not sending my s*** and me being out $1100.

I tried to save this fool $30 earlier with a money order, he thought I was trying to scam him so he got all pissy, now he wants to do some scammy s*** back just to save another $30? F-N A.

UGH, I buy s*** on ebay so I don't have to deal with idiots, but I guess idiots find their way into all sorts of places they don't belong.

[Kalypso]

just stick to your plan. it will all work out.

[wrxratd]

Screw this guy. Don't give him the 36 bucks. Thats called the cost of doing business. He's entitled to NOTHING more than the purchase price of the parts you're getting plus whatever shipping he said was due BEFORE the auction. As far as i'm concnered, he deserves nothing more either. Good luck though. Still waiting patiently, this is gonna rock.

[s13beast]

Dang...i miss my marks viiis. they were hela fast for such a heavy car. And the intake setup and exhaust were super restictive. One you free that up it rapes...

[Imissmyturbo]

I can't figure out the inake manifold on that engine. Looks like there is no inlet for the air. Just a bunch of loops.

Where is this guy on ebay from?

[s13beast]

I can't figure out the inake manifold on that engine. Looks like there is no inlet for the air. Just a bunch of loops.

Where is this guy on ebay from?

The intake is on the very back of the motor.

[Kalypso]

^ thats odd...

but i suppose its like the VQ i just couldnt see it.

[s13beast]

Yes. Thats why a cobra intake is far better. it comes from the center of the manifold out of the side. sorta like the 5.0 ho intake.

[killernoodle]

Problem is I'll have hood clearance issues with that kind of intake where the throttle bodies are on top of the motor. I think the gen 1 mkviii intake is supposed to be the least restrictive of all the 4.6s, which is why it doesn't do to well at low rpms

Who cares about port speed when you have turbos though, amirite?

[s13beast]

That's true I guess. Unless you make a cowl induction hood. And my gen 1 would slaughter a gen 2 any day.haha

[Logan76]

Whats the plans for turbos? I would run a single HX55.

[killernoodle]

Dude, are you reading my mind? I am probably going to do that or 2 HX35s, but I'm thinking the big single would be easier to implement.

Also found out that the $700 T56 is a pipe dream, apparently this mustang expert that I talked to thought T56s came in 5 and 6 speeds and that the 2 he had were both 5 speeds. He told me that the "the T56 in my Mach 1 is a 5 speed, only the cobras came with the 6 speed T56" (DUH, the terminators were the only major mustangs to come with the T56 PERIOD) Makes me wonder how much of an expert he really is LOL.

(If you don't know this already, the T56 is and always has been a 6 speed exclusively, what that guy had are some TR3550 and TR3650 transmissions, I'm probably going to end up getting a TR3650 and swapping the 10 spline input shaft with the stronger 26 spline shaft or just getting a TKO-600)
Modified by killernoodle at 10:59 PM 3/26/2009

[wrxratd]

with 1200(ish) hp worth of air available, you're going to want the strongest transmission you can get!!!

[WDRacing]

Just as another option for those reading along. The Alum version of the 4.6 can be had as early as 93 in the Mark VIII. Mucho lighter then the iron block...

[killernoodle]

Everything looks good...

[killernoodle]

Just as another option for those reading along. The Alum version of the 4.6 can be had as early as 93 in the Mark VIII. Mucho lighter then the iron block...

All the mark viii blocks are the teksid aluminum version, and yes they are far better than the iron blocks

The best part is they're all over junkyards, I got pull-a-part here in charlotte to email me when a mkviii came in so I could be the first one to pick it, I only had to wait a couple weeks for it. Also go the aluminum 8.8 differential carrier for my locost. There are lots of good parts on those cars to yank off

[WDRacing]

IS it Teksis or Teksid? IIRC it's Teksis, same company that does motors for Ferrari.

Regardless, the MKVIII has always been one of my favorite cars. I'd love to slide the motor/transmission set right into my S14 and do a remote turbo.

[Logan76]

Honestly, two hx35's seems a little large for me, maybe im crazy but I would go big single.

[killernoodle]

IS it Teksis or Teksid? IIRC it's Teksis, same company that does motors for Ferrari.

Regardless, the MKVIII has always been one of my favorite cars. I'd love to slide the motor/transmission set right into my S14 and do a remote turbo.

Its Teksid, http://www.teksidaluminum.com/borg.htm

I dunno about the transmission though, its HUGE (as big as the motor even lol) and automatics are boring.

[sctrep]

what about the master cyl. and exhaust ? its tight getting a mod. into a fox body much less a s chassis.

[killernoodle]

Easy, since the exhaust is coming forward toward the turbo(s), it just has to go down and under the motor somewhere, and there seems to be plenty of room to route it down either the passenger or driver side. Either that or we'll just dump it somewhere behind the front wheel