New driver/elderly driver markers

[blacksrjdm]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why every meet I go to I see more and more of these yellow and green v shaped and orange and yellow teardropped shaped stickers and markers in their windows.

For one...I doubt that most of you with the yellow and green markers (shoshinsha or wakaba markers) are all within your first year of driving.

For two...I doubt that any of you with the orange and yellow (momiji marker) are over the age of 70 and are considered elderly.

For three...These markers dont apply in the US and they arent making anyone look any better. Both marks are designed to warn other drivers in Japan that the marked driver is not very skilled, either due to inexperience or old age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareha_mar ... insha_mark

And I know that wikipedia isnt the end all, be all about some things, but this time they are dead on. Researched for a while just to figure out what they are.

[Ar878]

its become common practice for US drifters, and "jdm" fans to display these in their cars, as a tongue in cheek inside joke.

Maybe just as a joke?

[numbnuts240]

it's just some dumb fad. just ignore it, it will go away soon enough.

[Dattebayo]

I agree wholeheartedly that it's stupid. But as for the inexperienced driver tag, I would think it's because all the stupid drifters now have an excuse to drive all stupid like they do.

Either that, or it really is completely true that only new drivers are into drifting, since the rest of us have wizened up and taken it out of the streets.

[numbnuts240]

i bet that if the us were to implement the same type of system over here, kids would be dying to rid themselves of those markers.

[blacksrjdm]

Well, I've been driving since 1999, started drifting in 2004. So drifting isnt nessesarily a new driver thing, its a more experienced driver thing. And honestly if you learn to drift, then you should be a better driver on the street as long as your not drifting on the streets, of course.
Modified by blacksrjdm at 1:48 PM 10/13/2008

[xekushnr]

Well, I've been driving since 1999, started drifting in 2004. So drifting isnt a new driver thing

I would have to completely disagree. Although it may not be the case with you, nowadays drifting is much much more popular than it was in '99. It's in movies, games, pop culture, etc. Kids who are turning 16 now have been exposed to this for years before they even get behind the wheel. It's those immature, inexperienced drivers that are more prone to try it and hurt themselves. They are also more likely to do it on the street. I realize that I kind of convoluted the point, but I believe that its much more likely for a new driver to try drifting rather than an experienced one.

[Dattebayo]

Well, I've been driving since 1999, started drifting in 2004. So drifting isnt a new driver thing, its a more experienced driver thing.

HAHA, so you were "experienced" after driving 4-5 years, huh...My point proven.

[blacksrjdm]

HAHA, so you are "experienced" after driving 4-5 years, huh...

More experienced then a new driver...and seeing that I started driving in 1999 and it is now 2008, then I have had 9 years. I think I'm pretty well experienced now...but, to each his own.

And yes, 4-5 year experience is pretty well experienced having been driving on the track since I was 16.

[blacksrjdm]

I would have to completely disagree. Although it may not be the case with you, nowadays drifting is much much more popular than it was in '99. It's in movies, games, pop culture, etc. Kids who are turning 16 now have been exposed to this for years before they even get behind the wheel. It's those immature, inexperienced drivers that are more prone to try it and hurt themselves. They are also more likely to do it on the street. I realize that I kind of convoluted the point, but I believe that its much more likely for a new driver to try drifting rather than an experienced one.

OK, agreed, but thats not to say that all drifters are 16 year old kids either...and drifting gives you very valuable skills on the street for normal everyday driving. Drifting on the street is not acceptable, IMO.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

ahhhh..so THATS what those ****in things mean.i always thought they were some tuning company or something...

on second thought...the U.S. needs a system like that...cept replace the sticker with a gigantic flashing neon arrow pointing down at the car.

[Dattebayo]

More experienced then a new driver...and seeing that I started driving in 1999 and it is now 2008, then I have had 9 years. I think I'm pretty well experienced now...but, to each his own.

And yes, 4-5 year experience is pretty well experienced having been driving on the track since I was 16.

4-5 years is nothing when it comes to driving out in the real world, just ask the insurance companies about the statistics for cryin' out loud. It is really true that younger, inexperienced drivers are attracted to drifting SO why not use the silly badge to warn others of "drift ricer on board" or "May lose traction on tight turns and straightaways".

[blacksrjdm]

Ok, I can see that you must be an owner of a marker, therefore I have insulted you. 4-5 years experience is more than a 16 yr old driver going out there to drift for his first time, thats the point I was trying to make...I'm not sure what point your trying to make but...continue if you like.

And there isnt a young drifter marker available, so your idea doesnt make any sense.

[Dattebayo]

Ok, I can see that you must be an owner of a marker, therefore I have insulted you. 4-5 years experience is more than a 16 yr old driver going out there to drift for his first time, thats the point I was trying to make...I'm not sure what point your trying to make but...continue if you like.

And there isnt a young drifter marker available, so your idea doesnt make any sense.

Umm, what? You lost me...

[blacksrjdm]

Exactly read above and then my comment will make sense. Or you'll post more bla.

[Encryptshun]

I have been driving for 20 years and I STILL don't consider myself to be "experienced".

I haven't competed in every type of motorsport.

I haven't driven every type of motor vehicle to gauge the difference in performance, safety, and capability.

I haven't attended/graduated from a performance driving school.

I don't have a CDL.

I think to be "experienced", you need to have done at least 75% of the above. Age really isn't a factor (IMHO) versus what you have done, the amount of time you've put in, and what you've mastered.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

The idea that drifting makes you a better driver on the street is laughable.

Hell, no performance driving event makes you a better driver on the street. If you're staying within the posted speeds, you're never going fast enough to take advantage of your supposed skills. Also, you've got little idea of the laws of a roadway and how to interact with others cars.

Sorry, kids, but your chubby for drifting doesn't mean you're as skilled as say, a CDL holder.

[numbnuts240]

i have a chubby for sex, but i am in no means a ron jeremy. well that's more of a size issue, but i think my point will get across

[Dattebayo]

I'm still waiting for blacksrjdm to explain what the hell he was talking about. It's like he was talking about another thread or something...

[numbnuts240]

yeah, i'm not sure where that came from either

[Dattebayo]

Exactly read above and then my comment will make sense. Or you'll post more bla.

NO IT DOESN'T!

I need you to come back and tell us WTF you are talking about! Now I have to post more bla to find out what the hell you smoked before posting. Now I am wearing my socks on my head! Help!

[Dittoz7]

First Time I Thought It Was A Special Edition.

Link Shield.

[Dattebayo]

Now THIS guy is awesome.

[dasoupdude]

Ok, can someone please explain to me why every meet I go to I see more and more of these yellow and green v shaped and orange and yellow teardropped shaped stickers and markers in their windows.

because they saw somebody in japan do it, unfortunately that makes it cool for 98% of the population of males under the age of 21.

Ok, I can see that you must be an owner of a marker, therefore I have insulted you. 4-5 years experience is more than a 16 yr old driver going out there to drift for his first time, thats the point I was trying to make...I'm not sure what point your trying to make but...continue if you like.

And there isnt a young drifter marker available, so your idea doesnt make any sense.

wtf

[Touge noob S13]

Mirror shield FTW

[Dattebayo]

I think I'm gonna have a seizure from your sig, bud

[numbnuts240]

have you seen adrian's profile. now that's seizure inducing.

[NSR_s30]

It's JDM TYTE YO

[RCA]

i bet that if the us were to implement the same type of system over here, kids would be dying to rid themselves of those markers.

OMG with a name "numbnuts" I wouldn't expect such wisdom. You sir nailed this thread right on the head.

I just thought one sticker ment younger driver and the other ment experienced driver...But after reading the OP...Why would people put these damn stickers on their cars?

Its like the "chinese tatto" phase.People having the words "I am a moron" in chinese tattoed on their backs

[Rev_D21]

Ebay, all you need is a dollar and lots of time to waste.