Timing Chain/Guide help plz

[jds13]

OK guys, I ordered a timing chain kit off ebay, and it didn't come with an upper timing chain guide. Where can I get this? It's guide #2 in the picture. Thanks for any help.

[kaktus]

you dont need them. you dont need the upper guide and the side guide ( which is the number 2) those guides are the cause of the ticking/ rattle noise.

[got chub]

right right only the tensioner is needed

[jds13]

Well that's good. Is it supposed to have some slack on the upper chain on that side? I'd imagine it would, but just want another opinion. Thanks for the help guys.

[Neil]

please tell me you bought oem parts

unless you plan to do the job over again in a few days?

Do you have a link to the kit you bought? The only aftermarket kit I would trust is SA Gear. Any "Inner Fire Engine" or "Top Line" brand kit is 100% garbage. Not only cheap materials but not even machined properly. I speak from my own bad experience and those of others.

and chain slack is normal, since the tensioner mainly operates with oil pressure.

[vancouverbc]

look up timing in tutorial link in my signature.

[vanquish2]

Just for FYI......Nissan has discontinued the upper guide....ruling it "not needed"

[Moto Man]

Is it worthwhile to remove just the top guide? Or would I have to remove both the upper guides to make much difference?

[got chub]

Is it worthwhile to remove just the top guide? Or would I have to remove both the upper guides to make much difference?

it is very worth you while to remove both upper guides. if they break off they can cause damage to other parts of the motor. an hour of work is worth the safety of my motor

[Se7in]

Upper is not needed, when i went to go delete mine i found it already broken off and just resting on the chain. I got lucky.

[vanquish2]

I've had that happen on a ka before too! I heard the rattle just in time.

[JOEW921]

ok i did the whole removal of both guide and for some reason my car runs like a** the idle fluxes like crazy it will almost stall when i come to a stop and when im holding it steady it will surge kinda like as if my cams were skipping teeth or something any help in the diagnoses would be great

[Neil]

When was the last time you performed a tuneup? If it's been a while and it isn't running right, replacing your spark plugs, distributor cap & rotor, and then checking/setting mechanical ignition timing should be the first things that come to mind. It could fix you right up, or at least you'd know what the problem is not.

These cars are getting pretty old, and most of them weren't exactly very well maintained. You should really prepare yourself with some basic knowledge before jumping into owning an 18 year old car.

also your problem isn't related to removing those guides.

[JOEW921]

well thats the thing the plugs wires cap rotor coil the whole nine has been done but on the up side i did find out what the problem was the wires on the female side of the tps harness were screwed up pretty bad the one white one wasnt completely in the clip so i went to radioshack grabbed the little metal clips that go inside of the connector rewired the thing and bam runs like a champ again