anyone tried? s14 ka24det, blow thru n60, 370cc, fpr, wahlbro pump, 14 deg tim

[ka24e510]

i am going to try and run this setup, most likely i will need a 5-1 fpr. has anyone ran the n60 on a 95 s14 computer? i have read that the a/f ratio is high when the n60 is teamed up with the 370cc injectors, like 12.5 to 1 under boost. with the blow thru setup, it should richen up a tad, then the fpr will richen it up some to be on the safe side. i will run a wide band to eliminate the guess work. i was running this previously:95 ka24de, t3/t4 50-0.63 stage 3, 10-1 fpr, stock injectors, wahlbro, 2.5 exhaust, 38mm tial at 7.5 psi, suck thru stock maf, 14 deg timing, 89 oct daily driver, no pinging, stalls on decel, sometimes backfires, external bov.

questions, anyone use the n60 maf on a stock s14 computer with 370cc's? (what is your correction in % of fuel removed before boost?)

how much boost will the 370cc's be able to quench at 100psi fuel pressure? (5-1, 12psi boost, raises 60psi of fuel pressure from 40psi stock) can they hadle 12 psi on a stock ka24de?

any comments/suggestions are welcome, thanks

[Florida240sx]

What psi you plan on running? 12??? Why not get a safc and some 440's or 555's

[480sx]

While everyone says that the n60 + 370's balance out, every practical application of this theory that i have heard of has proved that it doesnt work. While it might get you to the dyno for a tune, it is not drivable. You still run pig rich and will wash your cyl walls, and pollute your oil.

Your trying to ghetto rig the most important part of a turbo build, the tune. Why dont you just scrap that whole idea and just get a rom tune for 125 bucks from E-Mance? Either make a conversion wiring harness yourself with the wealth of information online, or buy one for an additional 100 dollars from Enthalpy.

Im not trying to be an ***, but your whole line of thinking is going to lead to a blown motor. First off, your running 89 octane? Why? Please tell me its all thats available. Second, your trying to do this cheaply, but at the same time talking about taking the boost up to 12 psi with no timing control, or real tuning device. This is a horrible idea, while you might be safe in boost with 14 base timing, your cars going to be garbage off boost. If this is your daily driver, you really need to reevaluate your plan.

Also, recirc your BOV man.. Stalling on decel can lead to accidents. Panic stop, stall, no brake booster, crash.

[sunnys14]

Yes, all your tactics are a good way to save money (being cheap). 10:1 fmu + 89 octane + stock injectors. + 14deg base + CA heat = The ultimate 5 hit combo to garauntee your engines death.

You can use all that money you saved to buy yourself a new motor, because in California heat, your current one won't last long.

Whats up with KA-T owners these days? They all think turboing a KA is real cheap to do. It is and it isnt at the same time. Boost isn't cheap.

Get yourself a basic Enthalpy ECU tune. It will solve your problem of fuel and timing management.

[detforme]

I have 13 psi with the 1st gen safc, 630cc injectors, an aeromotive rrfpr, and the n60 from the rb20. I can guarantee you from dyno tuning experience that the response of the n60 is nowhere near a linear dependence on boost numbers like that. You wouldn't believe the crazy variation in correction numbers that I had to make. It will run Lean in some spots and extremely fat in others. You also need some form of knock monitoring, I use a txs knock lite. Also, you really cant guess with the timing value, monitor knock and afr's with a wideband before you push timing in. I saw hp differences of about 20 hp with one deg of timing. Also, be conservative with the timing since the ecu will push some in under wot.

[ka24e510]

i appreciate all the advice. i was running 89 octane because i could get away with it, gas prices as such. i wanted to upgrade and go faster but didnt want to spend money on an ecm, i would probably go with callum's if i had the cash. most of the parts i was going to use were on hand, or very inexpensive to obtain. i am going to run blow thru maf, right now i have a stock plastic s14 maf, will see if it holds up. i dont like safc due to the no timing adjustment, but i guess its better than nothing. i dont want to recirc my blowoff valve, i like the noise. it will no longer be a daily driver, that is why the experimental questions.

1. has anyone ran a blow thru maf, either n60 or n62 on an s14 computer?(95 obd1)

[480sx]

Filling up with regular costs about 3 dollars less than filling it with premium.

3 dollars per tank Vs. blowing your motor because you ran cheap gas and got a case of detonation, costing you hundreds

Why dont you just use a FMU setup and run 6-7 psi of boost? Cheap, safe, proven. Or get a 125 dollar plug and play ECU tune, 100 dollar set of 370cc SR injectors, and your boosting safely.

[Florida240sx]

Why not stock everythign add a FMU in the equation and boost 6psi. Then when your ready to go fast you buy the ecu and injectors and z32 mafs. don't forget about your clutch.

[madd ocx]

so how is a setup with n60 maf, 370cc injectors at 6psi with an enthalpy tune?

[480sx]

Your plans fine.

Have you been able to contact enthalpy recently?

[WDRacing]

Forget Enthalpy, his customer service sucks balls. Get an Emance tune, they are WAY cheaper and Jason can be reached anytime and replies via email sometimes within minutes.

Paying someone 500+ for something that costs about $12 in parts is assinine if you have other options.

WD

[eazye2000]

Jason at EMance is the way to go. I personally have his tune. I ordered the board and chips. And installed everything myself. It's very simple, and cost effective. My car runs 12's and gets 28 mpg on the highway. You do the math.

[madd ocx]

well i already sent my ecu out to enthalpy a few days ago.. he replied to my emails pretty frequently. i was thinking emance but was seeing to many differed opinions. enthalpy had nothing but good feedback and the only problems was the price and the email thing. so i cough upped the money! but his customer service has been decent so far..

[WDRacing]

The people that have had problems with Emance are a result of operator error. Either they can't solder the chip properly and should have had Emance do it, or their system had other shortfalls causing whatever problems they ran into.

WD

[2FourTee]

Get an Emance tune, they are WAY cheaper and Jason can be reached anytime and replies via email sometimes within minutes.

The people that have had problems with Emance are a result of operator error. Either they can't solder the chip properly and should have had Emance do it, or their system had other shortfalls causing whatever problems they ran into.

WD

You act like the man can do no wrong. I beg to differ.

In my case, he wasn't fast at all, and the first tune didn't work, and it was NOT user error. The car would start, but would die quickly. So, I tried contacting Jason and he said he would send me another tune in the mail. It took about 2-3 weeks and many, many e-mails before I finally got the new chips. There was about a 2 week period where I sent him 4-5 e-mails and didn't get a single response. Finally had to go on ebay and message him through one of his auctions to get ahold of him.

And this N/A tune that E-mance "made for me"....As it turns out, this tune he "made for me", is the exact same tune as the JWT N/A tune, just very slightly tweaked to account for my N62 MAF. When comparing the maps, the timing map is exactly the same in every single cell of the map. When comparing the fuel maps, the only difference was that every single cell is moved up by a value of 11 (to account for N62 MAF).
Modified by 2FourTee at 11:12 PM 6/3/2008

[WDRacing]

Don't be disrespectful with the eye rolling thing dude...I was giving my opinion...period.

Also, the fact that he sells the JWT tune for 350 bucks less is a bad thing? It's called bussiness dude...perhaps you'd be happy sending back your ecu and buying JWT's?

Has anyone recently had issues? When anyone starts a small bussiness things aren't silky smooth. Has he not improved? Ok then...

Also, when tuning an NA map...how much different do you expect things to be? If I tune your car and use similar settings that are proven to work...am I a criminal? Should I be bashed online?

This guys saves you a bunch of money and you act like a spoiled brat

[2FourTee]

Ummmm, OK. The only one who's acting like a kid with an ego here is you.
Modified by 2FourTee at 9:40 PM 6/4/2008

[WDRacing]

If you have a problem then give it back and buy someone elses...

[2FourTee]

I thought forums were for sharing info, no? Is E-mance a Sponsor here or something?? I really don't understand why I am being attacked for sharing a negative experience...

The fact that I am actually getting called a spoiled brat for posting up LEGITIMATE feedback is hilarious.


Modified by 2FourTee at 11:03 PM 6/3/2008

[WDRacing]

If you have a problem then give it back and buy someone elses...

Let me ask you, would you buy a Mallory ignition? Because it's the same exact thing as an MSD...just sold cheaper and renamed.

Selling something for WAY cheaper then someone else isn't a bad, it's market leveling.

WD

[WDRacing]

I thought forums were for sharing info, no? Is E-mance a Sponsor here or something?? I really don't understand why I am being attacked for sharing a negative experience... and by a moderator no less.

The fact that I am actually getting called a spoiled brat for posting up LEGITIMATE feedback is hilarious.

I don't have a problem with anyone expressing any opinions...negative or otherwise. But you came across like a d!ck man and that I'm not cool with. You can give your opinion without being an arrogant AND without saying anything about MY opinion. But when you make any statement that involves me, you're no longer just giving an opinion...you're busting my balls. If I knew you I'd be ok with that...but I don't. Me being a Mod has nothing to do with me defending myself or my views.

We disagree...nuff said.

[2FourTee]

You're right. I did come off like a prick. I didn't mean that whole thing as an attack at you. The first line, maybe. But the rest was just me ranting about my experience. Now that I've gone back and read it, I can see how that did sound a bit like a personal attack on what you said, and that's not how I meant it at all.

Sorry.

[hakosuka86]

Whoa that great pair of digits you got there.

What can of setup are you running If I may ask you.

thank you

[WDRacing]

No worries man...just a couple dudes having a disagreement.