Recently tried the Fuelmiser - gas saving device - my results

[fueler]

Last year, I read a debate on another message board regarding a fuel saving magnetic device, installed on the fuel line, to increase MPG. It sounded ridiculous to me at the time.

One of the officers of the company, Maury Warshauer came on that particular chatroom , defended the Fuelmiser and offered anyone a money back guarantee if they would test the product, and if they didn't see a minimum of a 10% savings on their fuel bill the company would return their purchase price in full. I don't know if anybody took this offer.

I personally would never test those money-back guarantees, from any company. In that topic, I offered to test the product but I would not pay for it. At first he did not want to do that because he does not know me, has never met me and he just did not want to give the product out for free. After a few discussions, he relented and sent me one unit for me to test.

Our agreement was that whatever the test showed, I would publish. All I had to do was follow accepted test protocols. No strings attached. So here you go: The results are as follows. I have a 1999 Infiniti QX4 with a weak 3.3L V6 (but it's so damn reliable). I did 1200 miles without the Fuelmiser to establish my baseline which was 15.2 mpg.I then installed the Fuelmiser and did another 1200 miles. My mpg was 17.1 mpg or a 12% increase in my mpg.

I know it's unbelievable. My coworkers think i'm full of BS. I have not been paid to post any of this information. The facts are what they are. I did not believe in this device when I first read about it. I showed my coworkers in the office and they got a good laugh out of it. All I can say is that with rising fuel costs, I am glad I have a Fuelmiser on my QX4 (who's laughing now!!)

The lab rat:
Modified by fueler at 3:55 PM 3/6/2008

[fueler]

This is their website http://www.fuelmiser.net/index.htm I'm not saying to go buy this - i'm just saying it works, somehow!

[dickie]

sorry dude, so many factors come into play regarding fuel consumption that there's not really a good way to subjectively test this device on such a small scale.

if he had several brand-new cars all of the exact same type and specification, ran them continuously using some sort of automated system that was able to correctly control and monitor each vehicle without human input, had a control group running alongside them under the same conditions and recorded the results, i for one would be a lot more likely to believe the results.

it doesn't matter who you are, even if it were me testing that on my car i wouldnt be able to trust the results because i know that i could have subconsciously shifted my driving habits just enough to make a noticeable difference in economy.

good job scoring something for free, though. if it seems to work for you, keep using it .

[fueler]

WOW! A clear, concise, and intelligent reply! Thanks d!ck.

I really didn't believe the product either when I first heard about it last year, but I personally have already saved money so you know what i'll be using from now on! It's one of those things you probably have to try to believe. I encourage anybody here on NICO forum to try the money-back guarantee and post up a detailed report.

[Jiggyfry]

How does this improve gas milage? Im too lazy to read the website. I just don't understand the concept of magnets and fuel.

And a 10% difference is quite small. Id like to see the same 1200 mile test but done on the exact same route. City driving and highway driving are 2 huge differences for fuel consumption.

If it worked for you, then all the better, man, free products are awesome!!!

[fueler]

My car is just a daily driver, to work and back. It sees the same route day in, day out. I have another toy for the weekends!

[rn79870]

I'm sure you're telling it as you see it, and I would really like to believe it is true. The problem is that I find it hard to believe that snapping a few magnets around a fuel line can do anything at all.

And they want $149.95 for the thing.

Does it have anything active attached to it, like wires that go to fuel regulators or pumps or anything?

[Jesda]

What would the Mythbusters do?

[TrunkMonkey]

The results are as follows. I have a 1999 Infiniti QX4 with a weak 3.3L V6 (but it's so damn reliable). I did 1200 miles without the Fuelmiser to establish my baseline which was 15.2 mpg.I then installed the Fuelmiser and did another 1200 miles. My mpg was 17.1 mpg or a 12% increase in my mpg.

my mpg fluctuates about +/- 5mpg for every full tank of gas in my daily driver. that's without any kind of snake water gizmo.

unless your 1200 miles with the fuelmiser was the exact duplicate of the 1200 miles without, then your results are flawed. and when i say exact, i'm talking about the same route, speed, fuel, and time on the road.

you're results have to be more significant to be convincing.

i'm willing to bet that if you drove another 1200 miles with the fuelmiser, you're results will be different.

-demetrius

[Loki]

What would the Mythbusters do?

Don't know. But I know a Buick would be dead by the end.

[240Knightrider]

I dont know, I believe you.

I drive my Jeep and it doesnt matter how I drive it it always ends up between 295 miles-310 miles per tank. I dont think his MPG would fluxuate enough to flaw the results.

[Red coupe]

my mpg fluctuates about +/- 5mpg for every full tank of gas in my daily driver. that's without any kind of snake water gizmo.

unless your 1200 miles with the fuelmiser was the exact duplicate of the 1200 miles without, then your results are flawed. and when i say exact, i'm talking about the same route, speed, fuel, and time on the road.

you're results have to be more significant to be convincing.

i'm willing to bet that if you drove another 1200 miles with the fuelmiser, you're results will be different.

-demetrius

Perhaps get back to us after another 1200 miles (of continued use)with another figure so we can see how much variation there is.

How were the mileage figures taken? Can you outline the test protocol you were given to follow?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Can you outline the test protocol you were given to follow?

Exactly what I was going to ask.

Don't know. But I know a Buick would be dead by the end.

And that is why I love that show.

[mmm240]

Wait, so 150 bucks for a magnet? WTF is a magnet gonna do?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

WTF is a magnet gonna do?

If this is anything like the other magnetic add-on gizmos I've seen, then the magnet actually helps to break down larger clumped together fuel molecules into smaller more consistant fuel molecules, which then makes it easier for the motor to regulate fuel consumption, and therefore optimize it.

Get it?

[mmm240]

I understand your explanation, I just didn't know that a magnet could do that to fuel. Is there something special about this magnet?

[C-Kwik]

myth busted...so to speak

http://www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm

[Dattebayo]

Is there something special about this magnet?

Industrial strength magnets are not cheap to buy, even wholesale! I know, I had to buy some neo-dymium magnets for a project I am working on currently and it was like $100 for a couple 1 inch diameter by 5 mm disc magnets!

Im seeing the price is mostly covering the magnet cost and a little toward the plastic doodad case it comes in and a lil profit...

Dude's gotta makes SOME profit, you know?

[SnowSurfLax]

I've got the perfect test for it. We have a long stretch of highway here, you just have to use late at night to get it clear enough.

Find a station right off the I5 in chula vista and then find another station right off the I5 in Oceanside. Do the trip there and back, refilling and recording mileage for each leg without the fuelmiser. Then do the same trip again with the fuel miser. Just set the cruise to 75 and accelerate as fast as possible to get up to speed for control purposes.

For his particular car that would give a pretty controlled environment (for not having lab equipment).

Just make sure it's the same brand gas station as well on each end.

If it works (and I have the same year and model) I'm willing to plunk down $150. A 1 mpg increase will save me approximately $180 a year. I'm keeping this beast for at least another 5 years, so that's a decent return if the damn thing works!

[srpowered240sx]

ive got one thing to say about these things- if it works so well, why wouldnt the car manufacturers put them in when the car is built? the answer is simple, because they do not work.

[SnowSurfLax]

So THAT'S why manufacturers don't put headers on their cars!

I always thought it was just because they're too damn cheap!

[srpowered240sx]

So THAT'S why manufacturers don't put headers on their cars!

I always thought it was just because they're too damn cheap!

thats a cost of construction thing, not to mention, the extra noise.

[Dattebayo]

A 1 mpg increase will save me approximately $180 a year.

SO... drive slower if it means that much to you. Granny riding it will save you money without spending money on some fancy gadget. This is a FACT.

[TrunkMonkey]

SO... drive slower if it means that much to you. Granny riding it will save you money without spending money on some fancy gadget. This is a FACT.

exactly.

you don't need a gizmo to increase your mpg a measly 1-2 mpg.

-demetrius

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

you probably drove subliminally with a lighter foot for the test, hoping it will work.

[SnowSurfLax]

SO... drive slower if it means that much to you. Granny riding it will save you money without spending money on some fancy gadget. This is a FACT.

HAHA! Ever driven around southern cali? I'll be run off the road! My lead foot doesn't allow me to granny foot it. But I do use cruise as much as possible and keep it under 80 most of the time.

It's funny when I drive on the east coast. I fly by ppl left and right and then look at my speedometer and realize I'm not even doing 70. It's crazy!

[raremotive]

Like the second post stated.. there are too many variables involved...

I can try to begin...

Problem One:your driving, if you are always climbing up the rpms to get to speed fast... which means your acceleration is much greater than had you gradually crept up to speed... so with that in mind...

and some physics of newtons second law...

F=m*a...

where -m is the mass of your car and everything inside it... (keep in mind that this is not mass on earth but mass as in matter)-a is the acceleration. -f is force required to accelerate the mass

So.. m is constant... so as you speed up fast... acceleration is high... means in the relationship of the equation force is higher... then had you slow crept to speed.

The force is now subjected to a distance... which translate to work

w=f*d

where -d is distance travel-w is work required to move the mass the distance

work is energy... so the more force you have the more energy it takes to travel that distance....

the more energy... the more fuel...

Conclusion:Stay off the pedal, when the light turns green, slowly press the pedal and bring the car to motion(because newtons 3rd law inertia.. which requires even more engery to combat)...and slowly bring the car to speed... then watch ahead and prepare for a stop... release the gas petal and let the car coast to rest.

Problem Two:

Your fuel system... this is tricky to find the optnium fuel burn...because it requires the right tempature, the right compression/octance, the right air/fuel ratio, and the right amount and time of spark.

[edit]additionally now that most cars are now electronically controlled. each of the electronics needs to be sending the right resistance/voltage to the ecu for the correct fuel map to be ran.

Conclusion:

-do the tuning.. you can have good hp numbers with good fuel econ, or a driving mode ecu/boost setup(edit)-check the electronics, check each sensor to see if they are sending the correct range of resistance or voltage, make sure each electronic item is receiving the correct voltage, look for corrision(edit end)-check your cooling system, make sure your thermostat is opening at the right tempatures, because over heating or over cooling effects how the fuel burns.

Problem Three:The weight of your vehicle... as shown above

F=m*a

more mass means more force.. which requires more work...

The lighter the car is, the less inertia forces you have to combat while accelerating.

Conclusion:Drive a lighter car...

Problem Four:

Proper tire pressure. If your tires are not fully inflated, the more the car has to work to rotate the tires.

Try riding a BMX bike with flat tires... then try riding with full tires..

you can see it easier to pedal with fully inflated tires.

Conclusion:

Check your tires... I usually inspect mine as I fill up at the gas station

Problem Five:

Friction. Friction is everywhere in your car. Friction is often a neglected force that will compoundly degrade you from your fuel economy... because the engine requires more force to combact that friction.

Conclusion:

Change your oil... i usually change mine every 3 to 4 months or 3,000 to 4,000 miles which ever comes first.

Change your transmission fluid

Check your bearings

Check your differential

If you have ability to turn off AWD... turn it off.. (if the components still rotate after turning off... then it doesn'y matter if you turn off or on)

Check the pulleys, and proper belt tensions

Make sure you have the correct alternator for the applications you are using, this loads the engine yielding you less fuel econ(this does not count as friction, but is with the pulleys as mentioned above)

let the car sit a couple mins after cool start if are going on short trips, longer trips let the car warm up for better fuel burn

Problem Six:

Air...

air is all around us... as we move around it tryes to move around us like a fluid... the faster we go, the more it resists us... this resistance is called drag... additionally... wind direction also adds to drag forces...

Conclusion:

What more do I need to say... aerodynamics... there is a reason why the top view of a trout( the fish that swims in water) is shaped the way it is... and why most aerodynamic design mimics that shape...(look at the side of a 350z, or the new GTR.. you can see that shape from the windshield and roof line).

Guy with superficial wings on their back... I might recommend vortex generaters... I am not going to go in detail, but it helps reduce the vacuum created behind the car, and allows you to have more "desired" drag on the rear wing

..............

thats all i can think of at the moment... if i miss anything or made a mistake let me know.. I did these all at top of my head.

if you have any questions... let me know.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 5:19 PM 3/7/2008

[Dattebayo]

HAHA! Ever driven around southern cali? I'll be run off the road!!

That's a lame as$ excuse. They have speed limits over there just like we do. Try again.

My lead foot doesn't allow me to granny foot it.

Now I'm confused... First you were blaming all the others on the road and now you're saying its you? Please pick an excuse and stick with it if you really must blame something...

[Black on Gold]

Don't know. But I know a Buick would be dead by the end.

They've done it. They concluded that it doesnt help at all.

[Red coupe]

Perhaps get back to us after another 1200 miles (of continued use)with another figure so we can see how much variation there is.

How were the mileage figures taken? Can you outline the test protocol you were given to follow?

So uh....What happened to Fueler? Ive seen him online a few times but he doesn't respond to this thread

I guess he doesn't wanna argue with people trying to disprove him when he isn't even claiming to know how it works, but can you at least post up the test protocol and a follow up?