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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 10:16 AM 10/13/2008 |
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Nope, you want a standard diode,http://www.radioshack.com/prod...earch
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 11:13 AM 10/13/2008 |
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I was JUST about to go outside and do this too. I guess i'm going to radioshack instead.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 10:59 PM 10/13/2008 |
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Did you getting going man? 
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 12:42 AM 10/14/2008 |
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argh, I had to go to school, but i did take out the kick panel and have WAY more access to the wires, i will finish it up in the morning.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 9:16 AM 10/14/2008 |
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Well I got the yellow wire coming from the brain's harness (it was spliced into another yellow wire that was probably going to where it is supposed to be hooked up. So there is still a yellow wire tapped into the ignition but that shouldn't matter) So there I was, everything hooked up and the key in my hand. I was sitting in the kick panel, (car in 1st gear) and turn it to the ON position just to see if it powers on. The car STARTED! (I don't have a clutch interlock relay, it used to be an auto) so I quickly shut it off and scratch my head I tried it again with me in the drivers seat and clutch disengaged and turn it to ON and it the motor cranked but wouldn't start until I turned the key to start. It started but for the first time it started "weakly". Unlike before where it would start all the way to 2k RPM's then drop to 1.5k and then idle at 1k after about 1 min and a half. Looked back at my work and I didn't reroute the turbo timer's ignition wire, I simply tapped into the turbo timer's ignition wire. Would that make it start on ON?
Oh, and when I installed the turbo timer with the harness, the timer wouldn't power up. I had to switch the 12V ignition and 12V acc on the harness so the timer would work. When I cut into the harness I went by the switched wires.
Here is the diagram that I went by:
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Sorry for the long post.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 9:28 AM 10/14/2008 |
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The turbo timer still being in the circuit is the problem, I mean it has to be, right? I'll wait for your input to see if I'm right or wrong.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 10:12 AM 10/14/2008 |
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Well according to your schematic, the wire that you show cutting(orange hi-lighted) is the starter wire. It is a black/yellow. That would be completely wrong. The ignition is the one you want to cut. Ignition is black/red. However, you said that you cut it on the turbo timer plug-and-play harness...... so you need to make sure the wire you cut on the plug-and-play harness is the one that actually lines up with the black/red wire in the OEM harness. This would make sense that you cut the wrong wire. Also, the ignition output from the turbo timer ONLY goes to pin 86 on the relay.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 1:54 PM 10/14/2008 |
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Okay, so I fixed everything you said. Now the car turns on appropriately and the turbo timer still works when everything is hooked up to the relay, BUT the alarm does not arm. The yellow wire that I cut coming from the brain's harness is going to pin 87A but it is not arming, even when I put the yellow wire back where it was, I still get no response from the alarm. What do you think?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 6:16 PM 10/14/2008 |
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I assume the alarm arms when the turbo timer is not on? Did you make sure your diode is wired in the correct direction?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 6:20 PM 10/14/2008 |
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The alarm does not arm at all, even when the car is completely off. The diode's cathode is going towards pin 86.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 10:33 PM 10/14/2008 |
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Then you accidentally either blew a fuse or messed something else up with the alarm. Make sure it has power on the red wire right at the main white plug on the alarm. Make sure it has ground on the black wire at the main plug. And make sure the antenna is plugged in. It only needs those 3 things to work.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 10:41 PM 10/14/2008 |
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I will check those fuses I saw coming from the harness and the red wire you speak of. Do you know where I can get a e-copy of the installation manual? It would make troubleshooting much easier. I have search but I can only find the owners manual.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 9:00 AM 10/15/2008 |
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Send me an email for my password and user name. It will get you on Directed tech page. I will tell you in the email exactly where to go to get what you need.Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 11:15 AM 10/18/2008 |
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I had unplugged the antenna and never plugged it in  . Now it activates when the timer is on OR off, which is exactly what I wanted. BUT... when the timer is counting down and I activate the alarm, it shuts off the car, which is what I didn't want. I checked the diode while it was still in the circuit with the multimeter in the diode position and it measured 163 going both ways. I unplugged the diode along with the wires that are attached to it and with the black lead on the cathode it gave me 679, reversed the leads and it was open. So the diode is good, right? Why does it shut off the car?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 4:16 PM 10/18/2008 |
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Then it sounds like whomever installed your alarm did it incorrectly. Sounds like the starter kill relay is on the ignition wire instead of the starter wire. You should have a single relay somewhere that has a heavy gauge green and a heavy gauge black wire coming out of it. It will also have a small yellow and small orange wire out of it. The two heavy gauge wires should interrupt your OEM black/yellow wire.... which is the starter wire out of your key cylinder. Make sure this is right..... I am guessing they cut the ignition wire instead(black/red).Let me know what you find. Toby Edit: As a test you can also cut the orange wire that comes out of the main harness on the alarm. That wire is ground while armed, which triggers the starter kill relay. If you cut it then the relay won't activate. So after you cut the wire go through the whole process of letting the turbo timer activate and arm the car up. If it stays running when you arm the alarm then you know the relay is probably wired incorrectly.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 6:23 PM 10/18/2008 |
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Your guess was right! the "installers" wired up the starter kill relay on the IGN wire (blk/red). So I cut the starter wire (blk/yel) and wired the GREEN and BLACK to the blk/yel wire coming from the key cylinder. Where do I wire the blk/yel wire going to the starter? Or did I misunderstand and I was actually suppose to tap the blk and grn wires on to the starter wire? Let me guess, I was suppose to tap them into the starter wire. Oh, and the car won't start.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 6:32 PM 10/18/2008 |
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The cut black/red wire you will simply wire back together. You may have to extend the wires if their too short.Now the black/yellow starter wire you will cut in half. The side that comes from the key cylinder will wire into the heavy gauge green wire from the starter kill relay. The other half of the black/yellow wire(starter side) will wire into the heavy gauge black wire from the starter kill relay. Done!
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 11:24 AM 10/19/2008 |
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Okay, so I did everything above and when I went to put the negative terminal back the alarm went off  . It didn't disarm with the remote, only when I take the negative terminal back off. What could be wrong now
Modified by n2tg86 at 12:21 PM 10/19/2008
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 12:28 PM 10/19/2008 |
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Toby, you are the MAN! as it turns out I had just forgot to plug the valet button harness back on. Plugged it in and the alarm worked like a charm in conjunction with the turbo timer. Now... When the alarm arms while the car is still running and the turbo timer is counting down (30 seconds), the alarm went off before the car shut down. Is this a programming issue?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 12:51 PM 10/19/2008 |
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Sounds like it might be the shock sensor going off? You can try turning the shock sensor all the way down to test this theory. If that takes care of it then I will tell you how to bypass the shock sensor only while the car is running.Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 2:13 PM 10/19/2008 |
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I think it was the shock sensor, because on the second time it didn't go off and on the third time it gave me 4 fast short beeps. How would you bypass the shock sensor while the car is running?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 2:21 PM 10/19/2008 |
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Yep, that would be it! I am in the middle of washing the 240 right now, but I will post up as soon as I am done.Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 4:44 PM 10/19/2008 |
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One thing you can do is use the transmitter to by-pass zone 2(shock sensor) when you arm it. Basically hit the lock button to arm it up. Hitting the button one more time within 5 seconds will bypass the shock sensor. It will chirp a second time to let you know that it did indeed bypass the shock sensor. However, it will be bypassed the whole time the car is armed up.Or you can probably just turn the shock sensor down a tad bit. It sounds like it's set too high anyway if it's going off while your car is running. It should only go off it the car receives a decent impact to the glass. Or there is one other thing we can try, but it will involve some wire testing on your part. So let me know if you want to try it. I would suggest trying to turn the shock sensor down a little first. Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 5:23 PM 10/19/2008 |
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I shall adjust the shock sensor then. Thanks Toby for all the help and being patient with me throughout the whole process. I will definetly recommend you to anyone that is looking for alarms or audio equipment 
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 5:44 PM 10/19/2008 |
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No problem man, I would appreciate the referral! Besides, you single handily bumped my for sale thread an entire page!  Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 8:28 AM 10/23/2008 |
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So uhh, when the alarm is armed isn't the starter kill relay suppose to prevent me from starting the car? I sit inside my car an arm the car and then start the car but not before the alarm goes off.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (n2tg86) | 4:52 PM 10/23/2008 |
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All I can tell you is that there is something wired wrong with your starter kill relay. The yellow off the starter kill relay has to go ignition. So it would wire into the black/red ignition wire. This is the same wire you cut for your turbo timer..... so you will have to make sure you tap it into the key side of your cut. You also need to make sure the orange wire on the starter kill relay is wired to the orange wire on the main harness of the alarm.Let me know what you find! Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 12:57 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | | Well, it can't be done from a setting, but there is a nice little work around for it. All that is needed is a relay and your install shop really should of been able to figure this out...... if not they shouldn't be installing. Print this out and tell them to do it! http://www.directechs.com/Docs/TechTips/1503.pdf
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Why didn't you just tell him how to change the setting?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 1:00 PM 12/2/2008 |
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Toby, Is there a remote start system that I can install along with my 350HV that will allow me to use my current 350HV remote to start it?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 1:21 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jdixon77 » | Why didn't you just tell him how to change the setting? |
????..... There is NO setting you can change.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 1:24 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jdixon77 » | | Toby, Is there a remote start system that I can install along with my 350HV that will allow me to use my current 350HV remote to start it? |
There is, but your range would be limited to the Viper 350HV remote..... which isn't very good. If you are only wanting to start it from less than 100 feet away then you would probably be fine.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 1:33 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | ????..... There is NO setting you can change. |
NO? But I programmed my 350 to arm while started? Must have been talking about something different, never mind must have meant something else, just ignore my ignorance on the matter.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 1:35 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | There is, but your range would be limited to the Viper 350HV remote..... which isn't very good. If you are only wanting to start it from less than 100 feet away then you would probably be fine. |
Well that being the case, I could get a better remote and learn it to my 350 right? Would the remote start module come with a useful remote for this?
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 2:51 PM 12/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jdixon77 » | Well that being the case, I could get a better remote and learn it to my 350 right? Would the remote start module come with a useful remote for this? |
The system controls the range, so a longer range remote won't even program to the system. The add-on remote start does not come with remotes at all..... hence why you would use your 350 remotes. If you really want remote start I would recommend getting a whole new system with remote start/alarm. I sell them really cheap, so it might be something to think about. By the time you buy the add-on system and then couple that with the poor range, you would be better off with a new one. A Viper 5601 or Viper 5701 would be nice choices.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 11:03 AM 12/3/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | The system controls the range, so a longer range remote won't even program to the system. The add-on remote start does not come with remotes at all..... hence why you would use your 350 remotes. If you really want remote start I would recommend getting a whole new system with remote start/alarm. I sell them really cheap, so it might be something to think about. By the time you buy the add-on system and then couple that with the poor range, you would be better off with a new one. A Viper 5601 or Viper 5701 would be nice choices. |
Well I guess you could email me the cost for all three items, keeping in mind this is for a 2003 civic, so I will need the ignition bypass module. I can use my valet key for that correct? My email is jimmy77@comcast.net, thanks.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 1:55 PM 12/3/2008 |
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I will email you later tonight with pricing. The module I use you do not lose a key. So you don't have to worry about that.Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 7:36 AM 12/4/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | | I will email you later tonight with pricing. The module I use you do not lose a key. So you don't have to worry about that. Toby |
Toby, Did you email me? I haven't seen anything yet.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 9:15 AM 12/4/2008 |
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Nope I did not! Totally forgot about ya. Send me a email and that way I don't forget to reply to you. I do all of my emailing price quotes when I get home.... and if it's not a email I sometimes overlook that you requested a quote in the forum. Sorry! I will be sure to get you back tonight.Toby
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (Broadfield) | 3:59 PM 12/4/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Broadfield » | | Nope I did not! Totally forgot about ya. Send me a email and that way I don't forget to reply to you. I do all of my emailing price quotes when I get home.... and if it's not a email I sometimes overlook that you requested a quote in the forum. Sorry! I will be sure to get you back tonight. Toby |
No worries, email sent.
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| « Re: Viper 350HV Car Alarm/Keyless (jdixon77) | 4:21 PM 12/4/2008 |
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I hit you back. Let me know if you have any questions.Toby
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