So my KA just took a ****, and I've got an s13 clip on the way. Is there anything I should know prior to starting the swap to make it go as smoothly as possible? More specifically wiring and accessories.
Thanks,Mike
my motor just blew, might need a little help with the swap... already searched
To make this thread as easy as possible and less of a hassle on us how about you list what parts you have on hand for the swap and we will tell you what you have left out.
As far as the wiring goes, if you want to search through a 1000+ post about " My Car wont start wiring woes" send the damn thing off and get a pro to do it much easier than having everything in the car and you ****ed up the wiring some where between the ecu and the mafs.
Other wise have fun with the swap
As far as the wiring goes, if you want to search through a 1000+ post about " My Car wont start wiring woes" send the damn thing off and get a pro to do it much easier than having everything in the car and you ****ed up the wiring some where between the ecu and the mafs.
Other wise have fun with the swap
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Ok let's keep it that way.. Id rather post information here than through emails.
I am going to write things as it comes to my head. If its not organized sorry.
You are off to a good start if you have a front clip as this will ensure that you receive everything you need.
I would pull the SR motor out and start replacing parts for preventive maintenance.
Replace oil pump, water pump, HG and if head bolts are stretched then invest in ARP head studs. When you take the upper oil pan off, you will also be able to replace the rear main seal. When you replace the front cover, it comes with a new front seal.
Of course you'd have to replace the clutch as well along with TOB and pilot bushing. I highly recommend this because dropping the trans underneath the car is a major *****.
Let's see... definitely get a set of new plugs I use NGK BK7EIX -> I think that was the name of it. Iridium 7 heat range. If you are stock turbo then Id go with 6 heat range.
Oh and change the belts for sure.
When you open up your engine, you will get a chance to inspect many compoenents and will be able to peek inside the block to see if there are any significant damages that you would have to fix before you put it in.
When you take the head off to do the HG, make sure EVERY LITTLE COMPONENT from the valve train goes EXACTLY where it came from. They include cam caps, valve shims, rocker arm guides, rocker arms.
If you are really adventurous, you can replace the valve stem seals as well but this requires taking the valves off which IMO, is a big farking pain in the arse (valve keepers suck).
What else... hmm....
Oh and make sure your turbo is good. No unusual play and such.
Also a good time to replace any gasket that might have been damaged.
Oh and when you take the lower oil pan off, inspect for bronzish metal flakes. If you see alot of those, your main and rod bearings are going to go soon. It's not too hard to replace those with the engine on engine stand. Just make sure you use quality craftsman torque wrench and do EVERYTHING that FSM tells you and check for all the proper clearance using a plastigauge.
I know that this is alot of work even before putting the engine in but the more you do while the engine is outside => less you will do when the engine is inside the car => less headache and more fun.
Oh and do your heaterhose before you put the engine in your car.
Oh and make your FSM your best friend and have sex with it. Seriously. You need to love it learn it understand it and enjoy it.
For wiring info, http://www.camel-towing.comBasically you have to create a sub-harness for your F3 plug in your S14. All the info you need for your wiring needs is found in that website.
Good luck
I am going to write things as it comes to my head. If its not organized sorry.
You are off to a good start if you have a front clip as this will ensure that you receive everything you need.
I would pull the SR motor out and start replacing parts for preventive maintenance.
Replace oil pump, water pump, HG and if head bolts are stretched then invest in ARP head studs. When you take the upper oil pan off, you will also be able to replace the rear main seal. When you replace the front cover, it comes with a new front seal.
Of course you'd have to replace the clutch as well along with TOB and pilot bushing. I highly recommend this because dropping the trans underneath the car is a major *****.
Let's see... definitely get a set of new plugs I use NGK BK7EIX -> I think that was the name of it. Iridium 7 heat range. If you are stock turbo then Id go with 6 heat range.
Oh and change the belts for sure.
When you open up your engine, you will get a chance to inspect many compoenents and will be able to peek inside the block to see if there are any significant damages that you would have to fix before you put it in.
When you take the head off to do the HG, make sure EVERY LITTLE COMPONENT from the valve train goes EXACTLY where it came from. They include cam caps, valve shims, rocker arm guides, rocker arms.
If you are really adventurous, you can replace the valve stem seals as well but this requires taking the valves off which IMO, is a big farking pain in the arse (valve keepers suck).
What else... hmm....
Oh and make sure your turbo is good. No unusual play and such.
Also a good time to replace any gasket that might have been damaged.
Oh and when you take the lower oil pan off, inspect for bronzish metal flakes. If you see alot of those, your main and rod bearings are going to go soon. It's not too hard to replace those with the engine on engine stand. Just make sure you use quality craftsman torque wrench and do EVERYTHING that FSM tells you and check for all the proper clearance using a plastigauge.
I know that this is alot of work even before putting the engine in but the more you do while the engine is outside => less you will do when the engine is inside the car => less headache and more fun.
Oh and do your heaterhose before you put the engine in your car.
Oh and make your FSM your best friend and have sex with it. Seriously. You need to love it learn it understand it and enjoy it.
For wiring info, http://www.camel-towing.comBasically you have to create a sub-harness for your F3 plug in your S14. All the info you need for your wiring needs is found in that website.
Good luck
I've been studying that write-up like mad for a while now. It doesn't seem to cover everything electrical, but just a few specific systems that are different on the s14 I still have no clue how to wire up other things...
Like the write up says that only 2 wires are going to the ignition and coilpack... those two wires alone are going to give me spark? And at the right time?
Ya, stuff like that.
Like the write up says that only 2 wires are going to the ignition and coilpack... those two wires alone are going to give me spark? And at the right time?
Ya, stuff like that.
Re: my motor just blew, might need a little help with the swap... ... (mkory)
http://www.camel-towing.com/do...4.htm
use this to wire the car. i did, its extremely easy once your start marking things. when i started , iwas like WTF is going on. after i started i picked up on it really quikly. one suggestion i have for the wiring is get a friend over to make sure your soldering the right wires together. becuase after about fifteen they all start to look the same. just so you have another set of eyes. but yeah, i dont konw how to pm people, or i would give you my number. but if you need anything my sn on aim is hoggiemakinmasta. i just finished a redtop into a 95. well, im almost finished, all i need is an intercooler to finish the swap.
use this to wire the car. i did, its extremely easy once your start marking things. when i started , iwas like WTF is going on. after i started i picked up on it really quikly. one suggestion i have for the wiring is get a friend over to make sure your soldering the right wires together. becuase after about fifteen they all start to look the same. just so you have another set of eyes. but yeah, i dont konw how to pm people, or i would give you my number. but if you need anything my sn on aim is hoggiemakinmasta. i just finished a redtop into a 95. well, im almost finished, all i need is an intercooler to finish the swap.
So I've decided to have the wiring done by a pro. To me it's just worth the peace of mind and ease of install.
KA came out today. Everything went relatively smooth. Started working on it yesterday later in the afternoon, got most of the stuff out of the way (radiator and junk, PS, AC, lots o' plugs) and today took care of the rest of the wires, exhuast, and mounts. Thought I got everything but forgot the clutch lines and shifter. That kinda made a mess, and I'm kicking myself for tearing the shifter out the way I did. Not too much damage though, nothing that can't be fixed when the new motor goes in. Also accidentally backed the car over a plug... something power steering related. I hope it's not something Wiring Specialties needs. Looks like a call is in store to them to be sure.
I'm also having a little trouble getting the harness out, but I'm making another post about it so it'll get more exposure.
KA came out today. Everything went relatively smooth. Started working on it yesterday later in the afternoon, got most of the stuff out of the way (radiator and junk, PS, AC, lots o' plugs) and today took care of the rest of the wires, exhuast, and mounts. Thought I got everything but forgot the clutch lines and shifter. That kinda made a mess, and I'm kicking myself for tearing the shifter out the way I did. Not too much damage though, nothing that can't be fixed when the new motor goes in. Also accidentally backed the car over a plug... something power steering related. I hope it's not something Wiring Specialties needs. Looks like a call is in store to them to be sure.
I'm also having a little trouble getting the harness out, but I'm making another post about it so it'll get more exposure.
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Re: (mkory)
PS sensor doesnt work with the SR anyway.
Id be careful with Wiring Specialties they have been know to take short cuts that hurt you later.
Id be careful with Wiring Specialties they have been know to take short cuts that hurt you later.
Re: (Blown240sx)
Wtf arent they a sponsor???Blown240sx wrote:PS sensor doesnt work with the SR anyway.
Id be careful with Wiring Specialties they have been know to take short cuts that hurt you later.
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Luke
There's a lot of good info in this thread and I'm probably going to push some of it to become part of an article. When I get home, i'll go back and look at my SR swap documents I collected and post them for you. I actually transposed a LOT of information into a checklist style Word document that I printed out and used during the swap. Great job guys.
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Re: (Blown240sx)
lBlown240sx wrote:PS sensor doesnt work with the SR anyway.
Id be careful with Wiring Specialties they have been know to take short cuts that hurt you later.
Im going to need to hear a few examples and a source for where you found this info. In my book yuri and Wiring Specialities are number 1 when it comes to wiring. They did my s14 sr to s14 chassis harness with a 2 week turnaround. Its perfect.
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Example is the many threads about problems with Power FCs not saving on S13 to S14 chassy due to the fact that Yuri would by pass some of the wiring for the ECCS relay just to make the job quicker.
Im not the only one with this problem. Just go to Fresh Alloy and even here people have this same problem.
Im not saying the wiring wont work for the stock setup but you will be limited if you go to standalone. I cant save any changes on my Power FC so my car cant be changed tuning wise unless I take my Power FC out and put it in my friends car save the info then put it back in mine. Even then though my car never can learn its idle because as soon as I turn it off it loses all the idle information.
My roommate and I did my friends wiring and it turned out perfect. Exstended all the wires so that the only ones you saw where injectors and CAS and removed all the unessacary plugs on both upper and lower harness. Car fired up first try.
Also to be a NICO sponser all you have to do is pay money.
Im not the only one with this problem. Just go to Fresh Alloy and even here people have this same problem.
Im not saying the wiring wont work for the stock setup but you will be limited if you go to standalone. I cant save any changes on my Power FC so my car cant be changed tuning wise unless I take my Power FC out and put it in my friends car save the info then put it back in mine. Even then though my car never can learn its idle because as soon as I turn it off it loses all the idle information.
My roommate and I did my friends wiring and it turned out perfect. Exstended all the wires so that the only ones you saw where injectors and CAS and removed all the unessacary plugs on both upper and lower harness. Car fired up first try.
Also to be a NICO sponser all you have to do is pay money.
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Re: (mkory)
I know what Im doing and talking about.mkory wrote:Thanks D1... very reassuring.
The only bad things I've heard about them was from people who didn't know what they were doing and everything ended up being wired correctly in the first place.
You definately do... that's not what I thought you meant. I plan on leaving everything totally stock, so this setup will work fine for me. I was referring to the people having trouble with his harnesses (the stories I had heard before yours) were people trying to get everything running for the first time, no mods, and had no clue what they were doing.
Have you ever taken the wiring harness out of the s14 chassis?
Have you ever taken the wiring harness out of the s14 chassis?
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Re: (mkory)
Yes I did it on mine. What are you have trouble with?
After unplugging the ECU, all the wires run straight up and disappear behind the blower. All power plugs and clips and junk are up behind that. I can't get access to any of it and it doesn't seem like the blower is about to go anywhere.
So basically, what has to be removed inside the car to get that harness out.
So basically, what has to be removed inside the car to get that harness out.
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Re: (D1 guy)
It takes all of 45min to rewire a SR harness for use in a USDM car. (I know I did my harness myself) I'm not impressed about a 2 week turn around.D1 guy wrote:
Im going to need to hear a few examples and a source for where you found this info. In my book yuri and Wiring Specialities are number 1 when it comes to wiring. They did my s14 sr to s14 chassis harness with a 2 week turnaround. Its perfect.
Just because thy are a NICO sponcer does not mean they are a good company.
45 minutes sounds nice, but I have no clue what I'm doing. And that was an s13 to s13 swap, not into an s14. I mean I'm totally clueless when it comes to wiring.
My biggest concern right now is getting the harness out of the s14 chassis. I swear this is near impossible.
Can't anybody help? This has to be sent out Saturday. I'm desparate.
My biggest concern right now is getting the harness out of the s14 chassis. I swear this is near impossible.
Can't anybody help? This has to be sent out Saturday. I'm desparate.
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Re: (mkory)
http://www.frsport.com/sr20det....html
There is no difference between what you have to do for a S13 and a S14 as far as the engine harness goes... The only thing that might be a little different is the dash wireing and the three plugs into the car... Nissan always uses the same color wires for the same components so I would be really supprised if it was not just as easy as this guide...
Extend the MAF and O2, Wire the three plugs into two (easier then it sounds) and hookup the dash wires..
Lower harness is the same S13/S14/KA/SR
DONE.
There is no difference between what you have to do for a S13 and a S14 as far as the engine harness goes... The only thing that might be a little different is the dash wireing and the three plugs into the car... Nissan always uses the same color wires for the same components so I would be really supprised if it was not just as easy as this guide...
Extend the MAF and O2, Wire the three plugs into two (easier then it sounds) and hookup the dash wires..
Lower harness is the same S13/S14/KA/SR
DONE.