Humor Re:"The 3,000 Mile Oil Change"

[atlanta_shooter]

Check it out...pretty funny.

http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/3koil.html

[elwesso]

Kind of ironic you post that, and the thing earlier this morning...

really that is the bottom line... 3000 miles, its cheap insurance.

[atlanta_shooter]

Wes, no irony...I make no bones that I think 3k oil changes with synthetics is pi..ing time and $$ away. Using the "cheap" insurance logic, why not change it every 1k? That's the humor...we're always being told it's "cheap insurance". Personally, I spend approx $35 on 5 qts Mobil1 + Mobil1 filter + $15 for quick lube. That's $50 bucks that doesn't need to be spent more than twice a year for me.

If you're running dino juice, then I agree, otherwise...nevermind. I personally don't care if my J30 motor lasts 300K, by that time the suspension, interior, etc. is shot anyway. Just my opinion..I respect yours as I've said before.

[metaverse3]

Lol..welcome to what I posted about a month ago.. 2 oil changes a year or 6000+ miles.. Don't really care about everything out there preaching cheap insurance. Sometimes..there is such a thing as overmaintenance.. I don't really care as much since I already drive 2 10+ year old cars..heading downhill anyway fast..day by day..

[elwesso]

Wes, no irony...I make no bones that I think 3k oil changes with synthetics is pi..ing time and $$ away. Using the "cheap" insurance logic, why not change it every 1k? That's the humor...we're always being told it's "cheap insurance". Personally, I spend approx $35 on 5 qts Mobil1 + Mobil1 filter + $15 for quick lube. That's $50 bucks that doesn't need to be spent more than twice a year for me.

If you're running dino juice, then I agree, otherwise...nevermind. I personally don't care if my J30 motor lasts 300K, by that time the suspension, interior, etc. is shot anyway. Just my opinion..I respect yours as I've said before.

... Plus J30 engines can be MUCH more easily rebuilt or had.... finding a decent shape VG si a lot easier than a nice shape VH...

I also tend to agree, you make avalid point.... I run my M1 4000 miles (about 4.5 months) and I still feel safe, but Im ready to change my oil... I dont need an oil life monitor, i just get ready to change the oil.... I guess its like a calling from the godfather "Son, its time to change your oil".... not so much, but im hoping that the redilne im using next time will look in better shape after 3000 miles than this stuff does.... getting fairly dark..

I think realistically if you ran synthetic for 5000 miles vs using the dino for the MFG 3750 miles you wouldnt be cutting off any miles (by using the synthetic at longer OCI).... Wouldnt add to the life of the engine , but I think if it lasted you 250 vs 275k you wouldnt think it owed you anything!

[qship96]

Wes,if anything the Redline will darken quicker than the M1 on your first,maybe second,oil change using it as it has a much more aggressive detergent package than M1-this is not a bad thing,but good,as it really scours the internals -I would plan on changing the first batch of Redline at 4000-5000 miles to account for this.

[maxnix]

Personally, I spend approx $35 on 5 qts Mobil1 + Mobil1 filter + $15 for quick lube. That's $50 bucks that doesn't need to be spent more than twice a year for me.

$50 won't even get you 30 mins. of shop time at a dealer on the west coast. To maintain one achieves a financial gain by unecessarily prolonging oil change intervals is a flat-out an economic fallacy.

Like Q45tech says, we all operate to different standards.

[Q-less]

Thats a funny find....sounds like some folks around here who stick to their guns. 256 million gallons of oil saved....WOW

[Q-less]

Awww come on man...this was humorous and fit for general.

[atlanta_shooter]

$50 won't even get you 30 mins. of shop time at a dealer on the west coast. To maintain one achieves a financial gain by unecessarily prolonging oil change intervals is a flat-out an economic fallacy.

Like Q45tech says, we all operate to different standards.

Sounds like a line out of the IRS code...speaking of which, I think I'll send the feds an extra $1,000 bucks on the 15th...you know..."cheap insurance"! Over $100/hr labor on the "Left" coast...I knew there was another reason I wouldn't want to live there...

I respect Dennis very much, however, I choose to adhere to the law of diminishing returns, ergo I change my M1 oil and M1 filter every 7,500 miles whether it needs it or not! The J has 127K...awesome compression readings, and burns zero oil over that change interval. I rest my case. Peace

[atlanta_shooter]

Thanks "CPQ45"...you actually read the piece, and have a sense of humor to boot!

[maxnix]

Sounds like a line out of the IRS code...

If you think the IRS has anything to do with standards of quality, your grasp of the obvious far exceeds your reach.

[atlanta_shooter]

If you think the IRS has anything to do with standards of quality, your grasp of the obvious far exceeds your reach.

Brian, why don't we just agree to disagree. This is childish and I have better uses for my time. All I did was post a link to a humerous (but true) link about the "3K mile cheap insurance" oil change argument. I realize that old habits die hard.

You obviously believe that this is a sound practice...fine. I believe it to be a waste...regardless, you pay your bills and I pay mine. Nuff said...peace!

[Jesda]

Oil life varies by vehicle. I'd change with M1 every 2k on a Chrysler 2.7, 2500mi on a Lexus/Toyota V6, likewise on a VW/Audi 1.8. The Cadillac Northstar can go 8-12k based on the oil life monitor depending on driving conditions. The monitor was intended for use with dino oils.

[atlanta_shooter]

I am trying very hard to be open minded about this. Please let me know how you came up with your recommendations for the various motors. I can't believe there isn't some sort of calculation going on with regard to displacement, max RPM's or something measureable.

[elwesso]

Oil life varies by vehicle. I'd change with M1 every 2k on a Chrysler 2.7, 2500mi on a Lexus/Toyota V6, likewise on a VW/Audi 1.8. The Cadillac Northstar can go 8-12k based on the oil life monitor depending on driving conditions. The monitor was intended for use with dino oils.

I get kind of angered when people make these "out there" statements that dont really have any facts...

The oil life monitor IMHO isnt a good thing to go by for the sake of this discussion...

However I do agree with jesda in that with the notorious sludgetastic engines, you gotta change the oil frequently to keep it in check. Even then it could be efforts in futility!

The northstar is very similary designed to the VH45, so theres no reason that the VH45 cant go any farther (or shorter) in OCIs than the northstar.... Oil life monitor is kind of retarted IMHO, but good for people who only want to do the bare minimum, and think you can go farther on a fill of oil... I guess americans like having the car tell them when to change the oil, than to have some sticker tell them or for them to decide on their own free will...

I am trying very hard to be open minded about this. Please let me know how you came up with your recommendations for the various motors. I can't believe there isn't some sort of calculation going on with regard to displacement, max RPM's or something measureable.

you can easily decide your viscosity by doing a simple oil pressure test. If you pressure readings at hot idle are lower you need to bump up the visc.... Start with what the MFG recommends and tweak!

As for the OCI it doesnt really matter what engine its in, it has to do how the oil stands up in that engine (which is kind of the same).... Theres no way you can say "you can change the oil every 8k on this engine, and only 4k on this engine", just from different designs.... I think that some engines are more prone to being harder on oils, but it wont make a world of differences... I could be wrong!

I dont understand how BMW thinks they can go 12k on oil changes and still last a long time.. I doubt we see many BMWs of today reach 250k like we did with the old ones!

In all honesty, i think going farther in OCIs is like a macho thing... "Oh my car only needs to change the oil every 5k because im using M1 syn!".... this kind of goes against the american way because we usually like to do the easiest. This requires thinking and use of logic, whereas its easier just to go and change the oil every 3k and have it done with!

I may be wasting my money on changing the oil every 4k, but I dont think i am.... I dont have many other things id rather spend my money on that gives me a lot of pleasure like the Q does....

[Q451990]

Think about the words "cheap insurance" - if you could buy a policy to keep your engine running to 200K within OEM specs. for $50/year - would you buy it? Like all insurance you might have a claim or you might not... either way I would buy it!

That being said, I understand the humor behind this post.

I have a buddy who buys a car every three or four years, drives the crap out of it, does his own oil changes with M1 and Fram filters every 7000 miles, and hasn't lost an engine yet. When the car gets ratty, or he gets tired of it - he trades it in... If that's your expectation for a car - then that maintenence schedule is fine. If you love the car and want to drive it until it dies (like me) you do more.

Heath