So I noticed that my S model driver seat has the pop out for the height adjust that is standard on the SL. Does anyone know if the parts could be ordered or aquired at a junk yard to mod the S seat to be hieght adjustable?

Also is it possible to add steering wheel audio controls from the SL to the S? Are the wires already in the wheel housing or you'd need the hwole harness?

I also bought the ARM rest from Courtesy Nissan. Has anyone else done this mod? Any instructions for it?

Finally are the headlights auto off? Is there a mod for that?

One more thing! I'll be ripping the stock stereo out and installing a Clarion DUZ385SAT Double din unit. Does anyone have any special advice other then using the instructions posted here? Also does anyone want to buy the stock unit?

Thanks

Modified by Di Versa Fy at 7:02 PM 5/14/2008

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The Stock unit from S models doesn't have the Input jack thus why I'm trashing it.

He already stated that he has an S model. You're looking for the HU out of an SL.

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So I noticed that my S model driver seat has the pop out for the height adjust that is standard on the SL. Does anyone know if the parts could be ordered or aquired at a junk yard to mod the S seat to be hieght adjustable?

Noone, to the best of my knowledge, has tried this. More than likely, all of the mechanisms in the lower seat pad are all one piece, so you're talking about swapping out the whole seat. Or all of the seating surfaces if you don't want to have one mismatched seat, since the S and SL use radically different fabrics.

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Also is it possible to add steering wheel audio controls from the SL to the S? Are the wires already in the wheel housing or you'd need the hwole harness?

The steering wheel audio controls ONLY exist on the SL with the Convenience package. It is tied into the HU and Bluetooth systems. There is no simple swap here. Furthermore...

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One more thing! I'll be ripping the stock stereo out and installing a Clarion DUZ385SAT Double din unit. Does anyone have any special advice other then using the instructions posted here? Also does anyone want to buy the stock unit?

Aftermarket stereos are NOT compatible with the OEM steering wheel audio controls on the Versa. There is no point in trying to refit the wheel controls if you are planning to change out the HU. SOME HU's are compatible with AFTERMARKET wheel-mounted control systems. You can look into that, if you'd like, but it's a dead end to look at the OEM unit.

The stock S radio is the absolute least sought after radio. It's got poor power output, no MP3 capability, and no aux input. Even your most basic sub-$100 aftermarket stereos are better. Honestly, it's a fancy paperweight.

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Jesus on Toast.

Actually yes they are, a company makes a module that you have to wire in to the steering wheel controls which will make the stock buttons work with an aftermarket stereo.

As for your other questions, if you get the SL seat, you could swap the seat covers, keep your stock fabric, and gain the height adjustment.

You could also add everything the SL has, but goodluck finding the harness, computers, components, etc. The car is just too new.

why would you get rid of your side airbags for some seats that belong in a race car?

Ok, so the next thing that would be questioned... what's needed for the refit? If the controls run through the BT module (I haven't read the wiring diagrams), would it even work on a car without the convenience package?

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Jesus on Toast.

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Why didn't you just buy the SL in the first place?

People keep saying buy the SL but let's think about that for a minute.

The S cost me 15,800, this was with a bad trade I had so I didn't get a great price. But I'm basically 700 over invoice. The SL would have been about 17,000 or more plus added tax. So what am I missing here? I bought a new stereo for $200 and an arm rest for $160. So I'm at $16000 or so now with no tax paid either since I did it online. Plus the SL costs more to insure. I don't like sunroofs and didn't care for that stereo either. All I like is the arm rest and seat. Thus why buying and SL doesn't make sense to my situation.

As for buying the SL over the S, if you really have to have the hieght adjustment and end up having to buy a factory seat, it'll be more than the $1000 difference in the 2 models. Much less the wheels, factory stereo with wheel controls and other stuff that you'd get on an SL.

Remember search is your friend.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/329121

Kinda have to agree here, I mean in the long run, you think about how much are you REALLY going to end up spending here. You have steel wheels, no cruise control, no rear seat armrest, no map lights, no center armrest console, I mean you don't get A LOT of things.

Now what if later on you say as the OP is now where he wants the steering wheel controls and the SL seat. Those things alone are going to bring the cost up about $1000. What if you end up wanting some new wheels? That is another $600 or so for rims and tires give or take. I mean you are going to bring your cost RIGHT back up.

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Ok, so the next thing that would be questioned... what's needed for the refit? If the controls run through the BT module (I haven't read the wiring diagrams), would it even work on a car without the convenience package?

It's a seperate brain, your controls will send the needed signals to the brain and then transfer the signal via RF to your aftermarket stereo. NOW the catch is that this module only works on stereos which accept a remote control to use on the stereo.

OR If you have enough intelligence for it, you could open up the stereo yourself, solder connections on the board, and make your own harness to the stock controls and your aftermarket stereo to control the features you want. There are endless possibilities.

You could even make your cruise control buttons control atleast the volume if anything....

http://mustangworld.com/ourpic...s.htm

perhaps I should have clarified: Getting the SL Convenience package's wheel controls to work with the STOCK stereo on an SL or S.

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Kinda have to agree here, I mean in the long run, you think about how much are you REALLY going to end up spending here. You have steel wheels, no cruise control, no rear seat armrest, no map lights, no center armrest console, I mean you don't get A LOT of things.

I'm assuming that he has an '08 S, which means Cruise is available as an option. But the power package + cruise = $1000 on the S, so you're halfway to an SL with just those two options there. Even if he has only the power package, that's still $700 of the $2000 difference.

He didn't say whether he got the S with or without the power package, but I have to assume it's with, since the S w/o power package is actually quite a rare configuration.

That said, Di Versa Fy, it still doesn't change that right now, to swap your seat to have the SL adjustment, you'd either have to be incredibly lucky and find a wrecked SL in a yard, or you'd have to buy the seat(s) from your Nissan dealer.

And unless you want to put seat covers on already, or don't mind driving around with one mismatched seat on a brand new car, you'd be talking about buying ALL seating surfaces in the car to make it match. Even a junkyard would probably charge you CLOSE to $1000 for all of the seats in a wrecked V.

Though if you're willing to spend that kind of scratch, you could always get your SL seat, then have your seats re-covered by Katzkins... we gad a forum member who paid $700 to have his SL's seats recovered in leather.

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Jesus on Toast.

Like I stated in the post, you would just need to open up the HU, and make solder connections, did you bother looking at the link?

Yea no matter what it makes sense to get the SL in the begining, BUT he can take the cover off of his S seat and put it on the SL seat, there is no difference in the actual COVER itself, it is in the seat bottom.

No, partially because nothing you said in your previous post mentioned anything about OEM radios... you specificially said aftermarket radio in both paragraphs.

Also, I tend not to read mustang-related forums for nissan-related information. Even though electronic stuff translates over a lot of the time.

I'm also never going to crack the case on an OEM electronics piece on any car I drive as a daily driver. Too much work, can't afford to have anything go wacky. But that's just me.

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Yea no matter what it makes sense to get the SL in the begining, BUT he can take the cover off of his S seat and put it on the SL seat, there is no difference in the actual COVER itself, it is in the seat bottom.

That still requires obtaining a seat. And I don't know about where you live, but the last time I checked, newer-model car seats from junkyards are over $200 in good condition, and a lot of yards will charge $400 for a single seat in flawless or near flawless condition. This is not the kind of car you're going to be able to find in a Pull-a-Part and score a $40 seat in.

Also, changing the seat cover over isn't nearly as simple of a task as just simply swapping a seat. Perhaps my position as Mr. Pessimist annoys you, but I like to prepare people for the worst-case scenario in case, god forbid, the OP has less than your level of mad skillz yo and can't transfer the cover over himself. Remember, not everyone on this forum is 1337 m4st3r m3ch4nic like you. In fact, there are more non-mechanical people here than mechanical people... which is unusual for an automotive forum and perhaps something that will shock you personally to know.

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Jesus on Toast.

Are you sure? maybe we should do a poll on it... seriously.

I'd take you up on it if I seriously thought that the non-mechanical people would even bother to answer the poll.

Most of them post very rarely, and since you're still a noob, I know you wouldn't know this. Or who they are.

You're new enough that you wouldn't know that with about 100 or so Versa owners on the board, only 30 ever bother to vote for ROTQ, which is another reason that a poll would be a ridiculous way to prove it.

But hey, what do I know? I've only been here since the first wave of Versas hit the shores, and I only used to be the forum moderator. I guess I'm wrong about everything and a jackass.

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Jesus on Toast.

FINALLY !!!

jk EV

Well, I guess it wasn't that much of a secret...

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Jesus on Toast.

Both Automatics

Both with same options added. (Floor Mats, Spoiler, ABS, Splash Guards) (and cruise on S)

I could care less about wheels and the rear cupholders/armrest, so for me all I want from the SL is the seat adjust, center armrest, and audio controls.
The stereo I bought for $200 has the ability to use factory wheel controls. The seat I can see would be a problem now that I know more but I can live without. The armrest arrived today. So for essentially $400 I've got my bit of SL bling that I need. So enough already with the should have gotten an SL crap.

If you went with the S you don't have the steering wheel audio controls. If you've found a way to install those, i would love to know. That's what I wish I had (and an iKey) most.

David

For that matter, if you went for the SL, you still don't have them unless you also got the convenience package.

Base SL's don't have wheel-mounted audio controls.

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Jesus on Toast.

*dies... again*

Yea...

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SL = $17405 MSRP S = $15900 MSRP Both Automatics Both with same options added. (Floor Mats, Spoiler, ABS, Splash Guards) (and cruise on S) I could care less about wheels and the rear cupholders/armrest, so for me all I want from the SL is the seat adjust, center armrest, and audio controls. The stereo I bought for $200 has the ability to use factory wheel controls. The seat I can see would be a problem now that I know more but I can live without. The armrest arrived today. So for essentially $400 I've got my bit of SL bling that I need. So enough already with the should have gotten an SL crap.

Okay, I'm bitting...
S Hatch (manual)
- Splash guards
- Power package
- ABS
- Cruise Control
- $14,900

SL Hatch (manual)
- Splash guards
- ABS
- $16,000
(already has the "power package" and the "cruise control" built in)

Difference of $1,100 and you get:
- hight adjustment on driver's seat
- door pockets
- map lights
- glasses pocket
- premium fabric (lasts longer, feels nicer, looks prettier)
- arm rest
- nicer HU with AUX input
- alloy wheels
- fog lamp wiring (I believe this isn't part of another package, but just on all SLs, but I could be wrong about this one)

In your example above, the difference is really $505 once you factor that the difference between the transmissions is $1,000. Plus, you didn't add the "power package" on the S which comes standard on the SL. Essentially, your "benefit/cost analysis" is wrong.

I'm not saying you should've gotten an SL, but if you're going to do an analysis as to why one is more monetarily prudent, maybe you should take the time to know enough to do it correctly... (forgive my Aspie bluntness, but that's the best way I can state that.)

OOh... and thought about that $1,000 for the CVT... a 4-speed automatic essentially needs it's fluid changed 3 times in 100,000 miles (right, 30K, 60K, and 90K?) which is $125 each time + the cost of the fluid... (unknown) and they're saying that the CVT only needs to be changed at 100K ... Plus, it gets better mpg than the automatic for anyone who is commuting (and would likely be rolling through the miles) so some of that $1,000 may be recouped in less expense elsewhere...

How do you get a difference of $505? Comparing 2 manual transmission cars there is no price difference on the transmission between S & SL. The $1100 difference is correct.

Difference of $1,100 and you get:
- hight adjustment on driver's seat - Don't care about this
- door pockets - Got pockets in my pants, Don't care
- map lights - Really, who uses maps thes days.
- glasses pocket - There is a compartment above the radio for glasses or whatever
- premium fabric (lasts longer, feels nicer, looks prettier) - I think all 3 statements about this are opinion, Don't care
- arm rest - Nice, $160 bundle which I bought
- nicer HU with AUX input - Bought a nicer unit w Bluetooth HF & A2DP $135
- alloy wheels - Nicer than S, but not my taste.
- fog lamp wiring (I believe this isn't part of another package, but just on all SLs, but I could be wrong about this one)

So add $100 for additional sales tax on higher priced SL bringing difference to $1200 - $160 for armrest bundle - $135 for new HU = $905 more for SL. Now you do get more for the $905, but it's all stuff I don't care about.

Ok, most of your post is stating personal opinion and that's great, and I PARTIALLY agree with you on this... the last 2 things listed are a matter of opinion. I happen to agree with Kimber on those two points. But "lasts longer"? I'm not sure how you can say that is a matter of opinion. It may be a matter of individual owner and how they treat their car, but it is not a matter of opinion.

It's MUCH easier to puncture or tear a sueded cloth (like the S) than it is to do the same to a flat woven cloth (like the SL) because of how they are made.

Sueded cloths are made by affixing very fine fiber pile to the top of a single, continuous backing. If anything damages the backing, a tear will continue to pull in the fabric, kind of like ripping a sheet of paper. A woven fabric is made more like a rope, with hundreds of thousands of individual interwoven strands making up the cloth surface. If a few strands get punctured on a rope, you can't tear the rope apart. The same goes for woven cloth, the remaining undamaged fabric keeps it together if it suffers a small cut or puncture.

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Jesus on Toast.

I was referring to the difference of Di Versa Fy's analysis. (Notice how I said "in your analysis above" and then pointed out the transmission difference, and the package difference. So even the $505 was incorrect if my assumption that he skipped the power package on the S was correct.)

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Difference of $1,100 and you get: - hight adjustment on driver's seat - Don't care about this - door pockets - Got pockets in my pants, Don't care - map lights - Really, who uses maps thes days. - glasses pocket - There is a compartment above the radio for glasses or whatever - premium fabric (lasts longer, feels nicer, looks prettier) - I think all 3 statements about this are opinion, Don't care - arm rest - Nice, $160 bundle which I bought - nicer HU with AUX input - Bought a nicer unit w Bluetooth HF & A2DP $135 - alloy wheels - Nicer than S, but not my taste. - fog lamp wiring (I believe this isn't part of another package, but just on all SLs, but I could be wrong about this one) So add $100 for additional sales tax on higher priced SL bringing difference to $1200 - $160 for armrest bundle - $135 for new HU = $905 more for SL. Now you do get more for the $905, but it's all stuff I don't care about. flaw, you're adding tax on a thing that already has taxes figured in it... so $805

Your analysis came out one way, good for you. I was pointing out how Di Versa Fy's analysis was flawed (not adding the correct packages and not accounting for the difference in transmission).

As far as the seat fabric and the two opinion statements (because the first one can't really be seen as an opinion) ... well, I'm not the only one who thinks so otherwise there wouldn't be a "premium fabric" in most vehicles... It may be an opinion, but it is not MY opinion, it is a general opinion accepted by consumers and producers.

So lets take that $1,100 and play with it:
- hight adjustment on driver's seat - $2-400 plus upholstery (lets say $70 to make 1 seat bottom match the S interior)
- map lights - Really, who uses maps these days (apparently somebody does since a few members have purchased rear view mirrors which include map lights and at least one person has affixed "map lights" to their headliner)
- glasses pocket - There is a compartment above the radio for glasses or whatever (which isn't made for glasses, and some of us pay $300 for prescription sunglasses which are polarized because they are necessary and don't want them to get all scratched to hell... the glasses pocket has lining to protect the glasses and they don't have as much room to move about)
- premium fabric (lasts longer, feels nicer, looks prettier - if you're buying a car and planning on keeping it for 7-10 years, this becomes a bigger issue... reupholstering a vehicle can cost $700-$1000)
- arm rest - $160
- nicer HU with AUX input - $130-200

So you're looking at a minimum of $1260 over the life of the vehicle just to get those 3 items plus replace/repair your fabric... $560 if you never replace the seat fabric. Not including finance charges...

I'm at work and don't have time to do my who cost-analysis thing... but essentially my needs were something that I could be happy with now and 5 years from now. So stuff had to line up properly (which is why I traded my first V, the headliner was screwed up, some dash pieces weren't aligned properly, and a door was aligned crooked) so as not to be visually frustrating, I needed a safe place for my prescription sunglasses (which was paramount to me not getting a migraine), I wanted hands-free features (such as the steering wheel controls, bluetooth, and CVT transmission), I wanted the interior of the car to last, I need places for cups for wee persons, I wanted to get as much right off the bat to save me from having to put money into it later (so the nicer stereo with aux, nicer wheels, built-in bluetooth - plus at the time there weren't any stereos which were compatible with the OEM steering-wheel controls and I already had my iPod)...

It was more financially prudent for me to put that stuff on with my original car loan than to try and shell out outta pocket money later. Which seems like I'm paying more in the long run because of financing, but as soon as my student loans are paid off (some of them starting with next year) I will be throwing that money onto my car payment as well and it'll be paid off well before the time period (just like I did with my Sidekick... I paid it off in less than 3 years on a 5 year loan). So, good on the credit, good for the tight budget, still within my means to pay off, and everything I want. I've driven all my cars until they essentially have crapped out and I planned to get a car that I could do that with and that would fit my needs until it did crap out.

I'm not going to debate what worked for you, my sole intention was to point out why/where Di Versa Fy's analysis was incorrect and also the additional stuff in the SL that may not have been taken into consideration.

VERSA S
Transmission
4-speed Automatic Transmission
Packages and Options
$110 Splash Guards
$700 1.8 S Power Package
$250 ABS Package
$200 Cruise
$155 Floor and Trunk Mats Nismo
$15,195 Subtotal
$660 Destination and Handling
$15,855 Total Configured MSRP

VERSA SL
Transmission
Xtronic CVT™ (Continuously Variable Transmission)
Packages and Options
$110