Skyline motor in 1994 nissan 300zx

[SD300zx94]

i was wondering if it was possible to put a skyline moter in a 300ZX and if it is wat year would be best?

[raremotive]

well the first thing most people tell you to do is search it.

I will tell you anything possible... even a VH45 fits... so it doesn't matter what year fits... any automotive engine can fit in there if you have the will to do it.

so yes it is possible...however isn't a simple swap, it requires a little bit more than a bolt and drive. And a lot of money. You are 16. Spend you money else where, believe me you are not going to have fun with the paper weight sitting in your garage.

The rb motor can get expensive fast. so word of advice is if you are not that mechanically inclined... this shouldn't be your first motor to play with because mistakes are extremely costy. don't expect to get an r34 engine anytime soon... unless you are loaded..

If anything.. the vg30dett is more of bolt on and go swap, it still requires some work, but not much compared trying to put a rb in. Another thing is the parts for the vg is domestically available... not imported or over priced because of the supply of rb parts in USA... which makes the vg a bit more friendier to make mistakes. A lot of the TT guys will agree that it will make more than enough power for your needs.

All in all... if you don't know anything... start off something a bit easier.. the rb is a tougher cookie to chew and you can mess everything up if you don't have the know how.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 6:59 PM 5/7/2008

[SD300zx94]

iight thanks for the info dude i was jus wonderin right now i prolly wont do anythin to it for a while tho

[craigztoyz]

iight thanks for the info dude i was jus wonderin right now i prolly wont do anythin to it for a while tho

If it runs and drives, get it maintained, and then if you want to do a swap, look into getting a VH45, the swap is getting a lot easier to do with the leg work of NICO members, and you can do it for less then $2500. Just advice, from a guy who has made a lot of 'paper weights' sit around way to long from time to time. Swaps are hard. Do the PM work on your car first. good luck

[ed300zx]

yes it is possible

im assuming you mean either the rb25det that was in the skyline turbo or the rb26dett that was in the gtr

either one will fit

some pics that one of our aussie zed members (aus300zx.com) did

The start with a dummy block.[img]http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii24 ... g07001.jpg]http://i266.photobucket.com/al...1.jpg[/img]

The first of many pre fits.

videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmNwkCg2ejo

he is very happy with it......340rwkw

Modified by ed300zx at 10:05 PM 5/7/2008
Modified by ed300zx at 10:06 PM 5/7/2008

[nsrZ32]

No need to swap as the VG30DETT > RB. Do a little research and you will see the light

[sampsonJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

this guy put one in a z31:P

[Mc57127]

I wonder if i could pick up a slightly used GT-R drivetrain for my Z.

Then, i'll have the neck snapping performance of the new GT-R with the good looks of the Z32.



A skyline motor would be pretty slick, but the VG30DETT has great modding potential as well.

[sampsonJ]

I thought the GTR engine easily had the most potential for performance gain? Can you please give me the cliff notes as to why the " VG30DETT > RB"? Dont get me wrong, I love the Z, and have since i was a child. I love it for a number of reasons: the way it looks, the feeling i get from driving one, people randomly comming over to me and asking what it is, the history....etc. I dont own a Z cause I think its the most powerful car, or that it has great "potential". I own a Z cause i love my Z.

At the same time pride myself at knowing my limits. I dont ever expect that my car will ever scale as well as the GTR, a Supra, or even an eclipse/talon.

please explain incase i am missing something here.... though i suspect that this would be a pretty biased place to look for an objective answer.

[raremotive]

Keep in mind.. SKYLINE motor is not very descriptive in the first place. There are several of them, ranging from years 1957 to 2006, 1.5L to 3.0L, single to double over head cams, variable valve timing or none, single to twin turbo or even NA, petral or diesel....I can even say that the VQ V-6 series qualifies as a SKYLINE motor these days...

The rb is a good motor no doubt about it. It's easy to get to 500 to 600 hp, but after that it gets extremely expensive. The rb has it's fair share of issues and requires some knowledge to build it up and maintain. And do I even have to mention the great 'GEY' state of California.

From an economical stand point, cause if you have the money then do whatever the hell you want.

The vg30dett wins. Granted you have to buy two sets of things, it still plays much cheaper than a rb. And it's mostly due to america's demand and supply for TT 300zx. So that said... quick look up.. $2100 w/ shipping for a vg30dett... And you can get to 500 to 600 hp cheap... and expensive after that...so not a different story than the rb motor, but hell alot cheaper...

I will let nsrZ32 explain why the VG > RB...mechanically if they exist...but in the end it's how the WHOLE car is built that gives you your results. If you think the engine is the whole car you are missing about 9/10ths of rest the picture. And secondly... it's how you want your car to be built for.. time attack, circuit, drag, drift, or cruise.

And now especially for a 16 year old and his car. He will be spending more money than he has to in order to keep up with the maintance and fixing his mistakes if he went with an rb. He will not learn anything from it, so it will ultimately be just a bad experience for him. No fun. Really he needs something he can tinker with little by little and learn the ropes to high performance machinery. Everyone had to begin at step one at some point.

[chaosdrifter06]

I dont ever expect that my car will ever scale as well as the GTR, a Supra, or even an eclipse/talon.

An eclipse/talon? What makes you think they're better than Zs? I sure hope you were meaning the NA but even that's a long shot. The TTZ is labled as a supercar; something that ran alongside the corvette, and other hi end cars of its day. Yeah, I see the supra and the GTR being somewhat of an obstacle for the Z but never the ricemobile eclipse.

[sampsonJ]

Keep in mind.. SKYLINE motor is not very descriptive in the first place. There are several of them, ranging from years 1957 to 2006, 1.5L to 3.0L, single to double over head cams, variable valve timing or none, single to twin turbo or even NA, petral or diesel....I can even say that the VQ V-6 series qualifies as a SKYLINE motor these days...

The rb is a good motor no doubt about it. It's easy to get to 500 to 600 hp, but after that it gets extremely expensive. The rb has it's fair share of issues and requires some knowledge to build it up and maintain. And do I even have to mention the great 'GEY' state of California.

From an economical stand point, cause if you have the money then do whatever the hell you want.

The vg30dett wins. Granted you have to buy two sets of things, it still plays much cheaper than a rb. And it's mostly due to america's demand and supply for TT 300zx. So that said... quick look up.. $2100 w/ shipping for a vg30dett... And you can get to 500 to 600 hp cheap... and expensive after that...so not a different story than the rb motor, but hell alot cheaper...

I will let nsrZ32 explain why the VG > RB...mechanically if they exist...but in the end it's how the WHOLE car is built that gives you your results. If you think the engine is the whole car you are missing about 9/10ths of rest the picture. And secondly... it's how you want your car to be built for.. time attack, circuit, drag, drift, or cruise.

And now especially for a 16 year old and his car. He will be spending more money than he has to in order to keep up with the maintance and fixing his mistakes if he went with an rb. He will not learn anything from it, so it will ultimately be just a bad experience for him. No fun. Really he needs something he can tinker with little by little and learn the ropes to high performance machinery. Everyone had to begin at step one at some point.

Ok ill clarify what i mean.

tell me why the RB26DETT < VG30dett? Since the original statement was "VG30DETT > RB" Ill assume that we are discussing the engine only. Its quite clear that everyone here prefers the Z over the GTR:P. The car attached to that engine shouldn't matter. Tell me why the VG has more potential then the RB please.

Furthermore, there is no way you can get the VG past 500hp cheaply. Infact, id be willing to wager that if you spent the same amounts of money on both you would get much better performance from the RB.

As i said earlier, I dont love my Z because i think its the fastest most unbeatable car in the world. I love it for what it is... not what i pretend it can be.

[sampsonJ]

An eclipse/talon? What makes you think they're better than Zs? I sure hope you were meaning the NA but even that's a long shot. The TTZ is labled as a supercar; something that ran alongside the corvette, and other hi end cars of its day. Yeah, I see the supra and the GTR being somewhat of an obstacle for the Z but never the ricemobile eclipse.

i didnt say they are BETTER,..... i said they SCALE better.

in other words, for the same amount of money those cars see much larger increases in power then we do. I would NEVER say they are better cars.

[ztommyx]

it's just a preference

as for all my experiences and facts:RB>2JZ>VG

[sampsonJ]

it's just a preference

as for all my experiences and facts:RB>2JZ>VG

Thats what i had always believed. Im not saying the VG is bad. Just saying that its not better then the RB (performance speaking).

[ed300zx]

it's just a preference

as for all my experiences and facts:RB>2JZ>VG

in my experience its

2JZ>RB>VG

but then again two of those engines are straight 6s and one is a v6

spend 40k on each one of those engine and the all three engines are going to be bullet proof....

the perception that the vg is the worst out of these three main engines derives from the fact people are driving 15+ year old ones....which arent anywhere near as strong anymore....compare them stock to stock when they first came out and it changes to this

VG=RB>2jz

the rb engines are very common over here, i dont know about in the states, but when people are looking for a strong rb engine they will rebuild it using an rb30 bottom end and an rb26 top.....best combo....

[sampsonJ]

in my experience its

2JZ>RB>VG

but then again two of those engines are straight 6s and one is a v6

spend 40k on each one of those engine and the all three engines are going to be bullet proof....

the perception that the vg is the worst out of these three main engines derives from the fact people are driving 15+ year old ones....which arent anywhere near as strong anymore....compare them stock to stock when they first came out and it changes to this

VG=RB>2jz

the rb engines are very common over here, i dont know about in the states, but when people are looking for a strong rb engine they will rebuild it using an rb30 bottom end and an rb26 top.....best combo....

AGAIN... im not talking about stock power or which is "better". Im talking about potential gains after the fact. The kid was asking about putting a skyline engine in his z32. It was then said that the VG is better and i want someone to explain to me WHY anyone would say that other then the fanboy argument.

[nsrZ32]

AGAIN... im not talking about stock power or which is "better". Im talking about potential gains after the fact. The kid was asking about putting a skyline engine in his z32. It was then said that the VG is better and i want someone to explain to me WHY anyone would say that other then the fanboy argument.

Boy you've been hot to trot on this topic all day haven't you?

Its been covered. Here's a couple links for you I found during a quick search.....zerothread?id=329396

zerothread?id=312320

A little more searching will net you even more info

[sampsonJ]

Boy you've been hot to trot on this topic all day haven't you?

Its been covered. Here's a couple links for you I found during a quick search.....zerothread?id=329396

zerothread?id=312320

A little more searching will net you even more info

Yea im at work so i am on the forum all day. And dude, im not a smart man, sorta literate;). I asked for a coles notes version. Please tell me why it is a better engine. It can be in bullet points if its easier:

The VG is better because......... it also ......

-----EDIT----

The first link you sent me is nothing but VG bashing ? More then half of the posts say it is the worst of the three; The other ones are just opinion or "i know this one guy" responses. The second link is about VG swaps, again not really saying any reasons the VR would be a better choice over a RB. I want real reasons please.

[ed300zx]

AGAIN... im not talking about stock power or which is "better". Im talking about potential gains after the fact.

spend 40k on each one of those engine and the all three engines are going to be bullet proof....

The kid was asking about putting a skyline engine in his z32.

yes it is possible

im assuming you mean either the rb25det that was in the skyline turbo or the rb26dett that was in the gtr

either one will fit

The VG is better because......... it also ......

but then again two of those engines are straight 6s and one is a v6

you will always get fanboy responses on the respected forums. i dont know about the vg being the best for potential power but the reason you see more higher powered 2js and rbs is because it is a more common engine and parts are more accessible, well they are over here. i hear that skylines are VERY rare in the states but here you see them everywhere.

each of these three engines have their good and bad points.....but potentially for big power you are going to need some big pockets and you use that money to rectify the problems each engine has. so at the end of the day, all engines are pretty much equal in potential power gains and in terms of which engine is the best.

[tg]

Getting each engine to 500hp in terms of cost and labor will show you just how much better the VG is than the RB/2JZ.

+lol @ jerry you sh1t disturber

[raremotive]

Ok ill clarify what i mean.

tell me why the RB26DETT < VG30dett? Since the original statement was "VG30DETT > RB" Ill assume that we are discussing the engine only. Its quite clear that everyone here prefers the Z over the GTR:P. The car attached to that engine shouldn't matter. Tell me why the VG has more potential then the RB please.

Furthermore, there is no way you can get the VG past 500hp cheaply. Infact, id be willing to wager that if you spent the same amounts of money on both you would get much better performance from the RB.

As i said earlier, I dont love my Z because i think its the fastest most unbeatable car in the world. I love it for what it is... not what i pretend it can be.

ABout about being specific I was talking to SD

for you.. I really didn't want to go into the details...this topic is not new and been discussed so many times it's boring.... in the end it comes to a reality that you can make any car fast if you had the will to make it go.

[otto_3478s]

...Its quite clear that everyone here prefers the Z over the GTR:P. The car attached to that engine shouldn't matter...

What?!!? I would take a R35 GTR over a Z all day long!!

Getting each engine to 500hp in terms of cost and labor will show you just how much better the VG is than the RB/2JZ.

.... Do work sampsonJ.

[otto_3478s]

...again not really saying any reasons the VR would be a better choice over a RB. I want real reasons please.

O and I hope you mistyped this!!

[wackawacka]

Lets just get to the true meaning of this thread.

The OP is 16. Wants a SKKYYYYLIIIINNNNEEEEE Engine in his car.

If he wants to know what year Z32 swaps to RB the best then its quite apparent that he probably knows not what a VG is, and hopefully does by now. That is he has no clue as to the amount of work required for each. RB26 swaps directly into a Mustang in FNF. Swapping to another Nissan must be like 100x easier.

[ed300zx]

RB26 swaps directly into a Mustang in FNF. Swapping to another Nissan must be like 100x easier.

not that easy to do and its very expensive....about 15k+ AUS DOLLARS .....at a workshop and when you think about, unless you have some money to burn and are dead set on having a straight 6 over the v6 then its not worth it

[otto_3478s]

FNF facts are facts. They did the swap in like 2-3 mins. Yeah they had like 5-6 people working on it but it looked like pretty easy work. They didn't have to do any ECU wiring or anything!! So RB26DETTTT FTMFW!!!!!

[ed300zx]

FNF facts are facts. They did the swap in like 2-3 mins. Yeah they had like 5-6 people working on it but it looked like pretty easy work. They didn't have to do any ECU wiring or anything!! So RB26DETTTT FTMFW!!!!!

2-3 mins lol i gather you mean it didnt take long

wish we had 6 people working on one car in every workshop over here.....its more like 1 or 2 if your lucky , thus equalling 15k to do the swap......some custom work and a super-fc for management

[wackawacka]

Do they have sarcasm down under?...

Wait, what is an ECU and wiring?.... I thought all you had to do was fit the engine under the hood.

(for the sarcasticly challenged, all sarcasm will be bolded)

[otto_3478s]

In FNF 3 it seriously takes them like 2-3, maybe 4, hollywood mins to throw a RB in a Stang. It has to be this easy in real life... right?!