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 Fuel pressure regulator, simple mod idea?
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qsiguy



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1994 Infiniti Q45 Turbo
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3-20-2005

  Fuel pressure regulator, simple mod idea?


I still need to check my fuel pressure but I've been thinking about a simple way to increase the fuel pressure using the stock FPR. I want to install a needle valve on the return line after the stock FPR. Any reason this wouldn't work or would create a problem? Seems to me it would work fine. It's variable and still allows the stock FPR to change with load. I believe it would just offset the pressure by however much restriction you place on it. Has anyone heard of this done or done it? Maybe it's common knowledge but I haven't read about this being done.

Also, to check the pressure I can easily install a gauge on the line but do I need to have the gauge readable while driving or can I just rev the engine up in park to get an accurate reading? If it's sitting in park and I rev the motor up will it show the max fuel pressure or do I need to be driving under a load?




1994 Q45 Turbo
Current Upgrades/mods:Tuned ECU, Front strut stabilizer bar, 2004 350Z 17" wheels, 7.5" front +30mm offset 225/50, 8" rear +33mm offset 235/50, Stillen cross drilled rotors, Tokico Blues, California Customs Springs, Unitrax 4.08 Rear Diff, Master Power T70 Turbo Tial 50mm BOV, Tial Wastegate, methanol injection, Bose auxiliary input adapter, Much more on the way!


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Are you running a fpcu? I think that may affect the fp at idle vs. wot. As for guages you can pick up an elec fp guage so you can read it while driving. They are pretty expensive but it's an option.
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11-17-2006

 « Re: Fuel pressure regulator, simple mod idea? (qsiguy)


Quote, originally posted by qsiguy »
I still need to check my fuel pressure but I've been thinking about a simple way to increase the fuel pressure using the stock FPR. I want to install a needle valve on the return line after the stock FPR. Any reason this wouldn't work or would create a problem? Seems to me it would work fine. It's variable and still allows the stock FPR to change with load. I believe it would just offset the pressure by however much restriction you place on it. Has anyone heard of this done or done it? Maybe it's common knowledge but I haven't read about this being done.

Also, to check the pressure I can easily install a gauge on the line but do I need to have the gauge readable while driving or can I just rev the engine up in park to get an accurate reading? If it's sitting in park and I rev the motor up will it show the max fuel pressure or do I need to be driving under a load?

You would end up with erratic fuel pressure using this method. The fuel pump delivers a constant flow of fuel, with the exception of the high/low flow voltages. However, the fuel used by the engine is constantly varying depending on engine load and RPM. The FPR maintains a ~43.5psi rail/manifold pressure differential regardless of load. If you measure the flowrate in the return line you would be suprised to see how much it varied.

Adding a restrictor post-regulator would increase fuel pressure when the engine is at low load and the return fuel flow is high, but at high load when the return flow is low, there would be significantly less of a pressure increase.

What you need is either an aftermarket fixed rate adjustable fuel pressure regulator so you can raise the base pressure to achieve a differential greater than 43.5psi, or an aftermarket rising rate regulator that will increase the pressure differential x psi for each psi of boost gained.





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 « Re: Fuel pressure regulator, simple mod idea? (SuperHatch)


When the WOT plenum pressure exceeds the 13-14 psi pressure from atmosphere because of positive boost from super/turbo then the FPR raises the rail pressure.

If 8-8.8 psi at cruise yield 34 psi in rail and 13.0 psi [WOT] yields 43.4 psi.........this is a rising rate regulator with a 2:1 ratio so a 5 psi boost might raise rail pressure by 10 psi to 53.4 psi..................about a 10% mass flow increase.

Important to understand the real positive pressure being applied to the FPR so called vacuum port..........



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 « Re: Fuel pressure regulator, simple mod idea? (SuperHatch)


When the WOT plenum pressure exceeds the 13-14 psi pressure from atmosphere because of positive boost from super/turbo then the FPR raises the rail pressure.

If 8-8.8 psi at cruise yield 34 psi in rail and 13.0 psi [WOT] yields 43.4 psi.........this is a rising rate regulator with a 2:1 ratio so a 5 psi boost might raise rail pressure by 10 psi to 53.4 psi..................about a 10% mass flow increase.

Important to understand the real positive pressure being applied to the FPR so called vacuum port..........

A vacuum can only exist in space or lab............using the term on a vehicle leads to all sorts of confusions.



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Thanks for the input. Tech, can you summarize the data you posted, I'm not sure if are saying my idea is feasible or not. I understand the data but not sure if you are stating facts or answering my question.

As far as including atmospheric into the calculations, I agree it's much more accurate but it is much simpler to use gauge readings for these basic things. Plus, if it is necessary to include atmospheric you must know what that is in your current location at the time you are taking the readings. In my opinion this is rarely necessary. For most it is understood that atmospheric is factored in. I'm sure you won't agree but that's ok

SuperHatch, your example make sense. The needle valve is just for restricting flow and since the flow will actually decrease during high load conditions the mod would be counter productive.




1994 Q45 Turbo
Current Upgrades/mods:Tuned ECU, Front strut stabilizer bar, 2004 350Z 17" wheels, 7.5" front +30mm offset 225/50, 8" rear +33mm offset 235/50, Stillen cross drilled rotors, Tokico Blues, California Customs Springs, Unitrax 4.08 Rear Diff, Master Power T70 Turbo Tial 50mm BOV, Tial Wastegate, methanol injection, Bose auxiliary input adapter, Much more on the way!


 

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