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spag240sx

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1992 Nissan 240sx
san antonio tx
11-17-2007

  help Spag get his 240 running!!


trying to figure out if i have a blown head gasket.
should this look like.....this....?











thanks.



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s13
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2-2-2008

 « Re: help wit muh 92 ka (spag240sx)


thats a Valve Cover gasket not a head gasket
spag240sx

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san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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Quote, originally posted by aaronscomp »
thats a Valve Cover gasket not a head gasket

yes i know. lol
but i was told to remove the valve cover and see what the fluids look like inside to determine wether or not i have a blown head gasket.



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Upland CA
1-11-2007

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you should look for water or muddy looking oil, which is usually the result of a blown head gasket.




spag240sx

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san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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so then i DONT have a blown head gasket.

since the fluids dont look water or muddy to me.
but then again, this is my first 240.
and really the first time i have ever had to deal with car trouble on this level.




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san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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bump for more insight...

i wanna be sure about this before in enter uncharted waters and remove the head.

sorry im a noob, this is my first 240



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11-17-2007

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good night/good morning bump



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Biloxi MS
1-13-2008

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Why are you suspecting a blown head gasket? What are your symptoms? More info please!
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Manchester MO
3-2-2008

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Yeah more details on the trouble would help. Also here's what mine looked like when I pulled the valve cover off for the first time. (Just for reference). I am not having any troubles now other than a slight "ticking" from the timing chain. In my opinion that "coating" is some type of oil treatment. I've been using seafoam in the crankcase before every oil change and it's getting cleaner...



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what you show us in the pictures is no indication of a blown head gasket.

why dont you search to see how to diagnose it for yourself?



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11-17-2007

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Quote, originally posted by dickie »
what you show us in the pictures is no indication of a blown head gasket.

why dont you search to see how to diagnose it for yourself?

thanks!

and i did search, thats why i took the valve cover off. i just didnt know how it should look.
sorry if this was pointless.



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ways to look for bhg = check your oil and coolant for mixing, compression test, look for burnt coolant in your exhaust. none of these are surefire signs but they help.



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spag240sx

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11-17-2007

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Quote, originally posted by dickie »
ways to look for bhg = check your oil and coolant for mixing, compression test, look for burnt coolant in your exhaust. none of these are surefire signs but they help.

thanks for the tips dickie!

but from what i gather now, the prob isnt a blown headgasket.
some one said that the problem might be the injectors sticking open or some crap



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what are your symptoms?



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car bogging in 1st and 2nd gear
nasty idle
white-ish smoke from tail pipe
bad throttle response
aside from that, im pretty sure i have a parasitic load. i came to this conclusion on my own, so im not sure if it 100% true. this is why im looking for a wiring harness.



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how does the car idle?



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3-10-2008

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yeah your valve cover doesnt look like you have a bad head gasket to me, doesnt really appear that you have any water in it or anything, and to the guy who mentioned the ticking timing chain, its probably just the chain hitting the guides which is nbd, there is a how to forum telling how to remove the guides, i have it done to my s-13 and the chain is quiet as a mouse
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san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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Quote, originally posted by dickie »
how does the car idle?

before the the started bogging, it was idling at around 900...
after it started bogging down, the rpms went lower and lower by the minute.
went from 900 to 500 and went down to about 300 and it shut off and wouldnt start again



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ok.
sorry if im not making sense, im drunk.
(don't worry about me being drunk and working on a car, im Mexican, i can hold my alcohol well.)

i was told my car doesnt run for 3 possible reasons.
1. blown head gasket
2. stuck open injectors
3. bad wiring (parisitic load)

1. removed valve cover, thinks looked ok, i guess (according to NICO)
2. drained oil. oil looks fine, albeit very dirty.

so that leaves option 3. bad wiring.
so i conclude that my car doesnt run because the charging system is out of whack...

am i right? correct me if i am wrong, please...

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1992 Nissan 240sx
san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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took some pics while i was under my car.
might be of importance, i dont know.



line not plugged into anything.


rubber boot torn (on tranny)




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san antonio tx
11-17-2007

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the oil that was removed.
like i said, looks fine...like oil...just really dirty...



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11-17-2007

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mods, if possible, would you be so kind as to change the thread tittle...
"Help Spag get his 240 running!!"
thanks!



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spag240sx

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so is anything jumping out to anyone!?



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no one has replied to this in a while, so i will untill i get some replies...lol

so i was working on my car today...nothing worth mentioning...

my friend said something that made me think...
could my problem be my starter?

couple weeks ago when i was trying to get my car in the garage, i jumped it to try to unlock the steering wheel...i turned the key and the car wouldnt crank...even after a long while of charging.
everything else turned on and worked...



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Starter would cause it to not start, but not your other issues.

White smoke should be coolant from either HG or cracks in block. Just because the oil seemed ok doesn't mean it is. Pinhole leaks in the HG can cause white smoke and some bogging.

Is your check engine light on? I would first check your ECU for codes. Anything that would set a code could be a cause for bogging.

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11-17-2007

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so even though there is no major indication of a bad HG i should still replace it?
how can i read the ECU?
cars been dead for months



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11-24-2007

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It sounds like you are trying to fix a number of problems all at the same time. I wouold start on the cranking over problem and go after one thing at a time. If you susspect the starter then can remove it and take it to most Auto Parts stores and they can test it for you. Same for the Battery and the Altinaitor.

Please provide more detailed symptoms and things you have tried allready.



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11-17-2007

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sorry i havnt replied. been busy at workin lotsa hours

just removed the alternator, battery, and about to remove starter.
im gonna go get them tested today.
hopefully this will point to something.





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took off radiator for no reason...found plenty of very good looking coolant.
but also found what looked like rusty water.

dont know what this means
im a noob to the maXor





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I don't even know where to start...

Parasitic load? WTF?
Are you really willing to track down a wiring harness and replace it because someone speculated that it was bad? You either need to pick up a manual or put down the wrenches. You have no idea what it is, you're 'helpers' have no idea what it is, and the chances of it being diagnosed over the internet by people who can't even see, touch, or hear your car is VERY slim.

Take it to a shop!

"help wit muh..." Really? You can't even compose a complete word or sentence when asking for help?



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Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
I don't even know where to start...

Parasitic load? WTF?


when i bought it, the car had a "new" starter...now getting under the car i can see that it isnt new
i went through an alternator, and two batteries

Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
Are you really willing to track down a wiring harness and replace it because someone speculated that it was bad?

yes
Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
You either need to pick up a manual or put down the wrenches.

i have a manual
and several wrenches
i think i will hold on to both, but thanks for the suggestion.

Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
You have no idea what it is, you're 'helpers' have no idea what it is, and the chances of it being diagnosed over the internet by people who can't even see, touch, or hear your car is VERY slim.

cant hurt to try, man...
i have never owned a 240 before.
hell, im learning more from my fuked up 240 that i did in most of HS auto classes.
im not gonna give up just because every eveything i try doesnt work. im gonna keep trying until this damn car runs. with nico's help, or without.

Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
Take it to a shop!

no

Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »
"help wit muh..." Really? You can't even compose a
complete word or sentence when asking for help?

please...
because we all know how we act/represent ourselves online is a true reflection of the intellect we actually posses...




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4-6-2007

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you say your getting bad response & bad idle and bogging..?? This Happens alot when the MAF Sensor is bad...

try changing the MAF Sensor (aka) Air Flow Meter and see if it get better

if not then check all your vaccum hoses and make sure you dont got a vaccum leak..

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11-17-2007

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i was under the car and i saw a vacuum that wasnt connected...i connected it, but its not like it matters now, lol...

at the moment i think i should concentrate on getting it to crank.

i didnt get a chance to get the alternator, and starter testes yesterday, but i will tomorrow. its pay day and im off from work.




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Quote, originally posted by spag240sx »

please...
because we all know how we act/represent ourselves online is a true reflection of the intellect we actually posses...

So I guess you put on an act when you go on forums? If you prefer to play an idiot online and then solve calculaus equations for NASA in real life, good for you.
But you are 19 and are a self admitted "drunk mexican", so I'll go with my internet percieved judgement of you.

Let us know when you have run out of parts to put on.



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11-25-2005

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a good way to check if ur head gasket is blwon is to take some of the oil from ur dip stick and put it on ur exhaust manifold. If its clean oil it will burn and if theres any water/coolant in it, it will sizzle and bubble on the manifold and dry out. You've checked ur injectors yet?




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it looks bad lol!



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ik now it looks bad lol but blown hg bad idk. Never seen reddish orange oil before.




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Quote, originally posted by Cone Junky »

So I guess you put on an act when you go on forums? If you prefer to play an idiot online and then solve calculaus equations for NASA in real life, good for you.
But you are 19 and are a self admitted "drunk mexican", so I'll go with my internet percieved judgement of you.

Let us know when you have run out of parts to put on.

dude what the funk is your problem.
im on nico to get help. not to be pestered by some asshat that has nothing better to do...
you have no idea who i am and what i am about...but its whatever. you think what you want. i dont care.
all i want is for my s13 to work. thats it.
im not trying to impress anyone with my grammar. im sorry if its not good enough for you...if you dont like it, then dont reply to my grammatically incoherent posts.

have fun judging people online.



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Quote, originally posted by silpena »
a good way to check if ur head gasket is blwon is to take some of the oil from ur dip stick and put it on ur exhaust manifold. If its clean oil it will burn and if theres any water/coolant in it, it will sizzle and bubble on the manifold and dry out. You've checked ur injectors yet?

well since my car wont crank i dont think i could try that.
but thats good advice! thanks!

no i have not checked my injectors.
someone told me if they were bad, that there would be lots of gas in the oil/pan. and there wasnt...and i know this way of testing may not be conclusive. but it was a quick way to check, so i tried...



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11-17-2007

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and just so everyone knows.
this car has been sitting for 6 months now. i dont know if that would make any of the fluids do anything funky...

got the starter check, it was bad.
alternator was good.
battery was obviously dead and wouldnt hold a charge.

im gonna try to put everything back together tonight and see if it will crank with a new starter and a new batt



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