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Quote, originally posted by themadscientist »

I laugh when people tout the fuel economy of a turbo engine. While it is true that it would be more economical off boost as it is basically a low compression NA motor at that moment, who the heck can stay out of the boost? That's like having a hot girlfreind and just having meaninful conversation.

I'm willing to bet GT Prologue will be better than Forza haha

Forza won't have Daihatsu Midgets. 'Nuff said.

p.s. stop betting on my cars in the Auctions!!!

Ive always been a die hard for GT3/4. I like GT because I love the driving physics, photos!!, I ve made some really good ones, and just the passion of playing it.

I wish GT had a paintstation, could use more aerodynamic features besides 9 foot wings, TIRES OF F1 CARS!!!, how are you ganna have a racing game w/o ferrarri or lamborghini?, and some other little things, but, its all good, hope they can improve in 5.

BTW, I like that choice they made for the cover

24h races is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too long for a game......thank jebus for B-Spec mode.

BTW redtop, that code under ur avatar looks soo fimiliar...

Also, if racing games have Civics and Corollas, they should have Maximas. Dammit. I require an 84, a 91 SE, a 94 SE, a 98 SE, a 2001 AE, a 2003 SE, and 2004 SE. Then I'll be happy.

Also, why no GOOD Infinitis? Who cares about the G? I want Qs and Ms and FXs! Why do the big Japanese cars get ignored? 93 Q45t with HICAS and 93 Q45a, please. A 2006 Q45 Sport wouldn't hurt the lineup, either. And then of course a 2003 M45, a 1990 M30, 95 J30.

And where are the classic Skylines? Hello? Yeah, when someone makes a game with a C110 2000 GT-R, let me know.

But they're both way too skewed in favor of common Japanese brands. Do we really need 19 Mitsubishi 3000gt variants? How about we axe some of them (or all, since the 3000gt sucks) and replace them with some cars that are actually interesting?

4.08 VLSD, NICO 8-way ECU, full exhaust with custom headers,
Tokico Blues with Eibach springs, Stillen FSTB, 20mm RSB, 255 rear rubber.
Of course I forgive you. That is your God's function. Your crime is forgiven.
However, your stupidity requires a response." -Leto Atreides II

Thank you, I was seeing that everyone was missing the whole point. In any GT you buy upgrades for your car right. But thats as far as you go. If some one else with the same car and mods comes along, your equal. With both Forza's, you tune the cars after the mods to make them unique. Gear ratios, tire pressure, ride height, camber, caster, sway bar adjustments, shock adj., brake pressure, downforce, and a lot more. With all the tuneablility of Forza, GT has nothing for me. GT just lacks that "simulation" factor I love about Forza 1 & 2. I would probably like Forza 1 better than GT5.

Anyone who says that Forza is more of an arcade game obviously has not played much of it.

Indeed. Come to think of it I still have a $5 deposit on Gran Turismo on the PSP from 4 or so years ago at Gamestop...

On that note, I just went for a couple of laps in my Spoon EK on Gran Turismo. It's annoying that Forza doesn't have EK's...

Yeah, I see GT as more of an "Arcade" game than Forza.

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have you never seen the tuning options in GT? you can tune suspension, gear ratios, downforce, braking, and pretty much everything else. its just as in depth tuning as you can find in forza, you just cant change the look of your car as much

I must have messed that part in the first 4 GT's. Must've been the anoying way they did the menu's. Stuff everywhere. Looked to me like they had no real organization there. I mean come on, it shouldn't take 2 minutes to find the car lots, race types you want, or the shops. Yet another reason Forza>GTany#. I'll take a little greatness with my hype thank you.

I will have to somewhat agree with you. The GT menus are difficult at first, which I guess is not a good impression to make for a first time player. But after a while, it all becomes second nature. I am not sure if forza has this, but like driver challanges. That was a rather unique and fun spin off of the typical 6 cars driving around in circles.

I have not played much of forza, but the engine swaps were cool, and the point to point racing. The swaps I can agree with, but the P2P, that's kinda getting out of the realm of the GT series. I am really not happy about the "drift" mode in prologue and prob GT5. In the history of the GT series, there was never a drift mode, just something about it pisses me off, its getting away from the true enthusiest and opening it up to all the . Granted they are trying to make the game more appealing for the "sit down and play" user, but whatever I guess.

Last rant, they just need to make the AI faster, or atleast let them use a tuned car. My tuned Z32 should not be keeping up with an R92CP, sorry but no. If they brought back horsepower restrictions like in GT2 and I think 3, that would be a plus and whatever happened to test driving cars. Spending a mil+ on a car that sucks, and you will only drive once, its just a big waste of time.

Final last point, GT5 and or Prologue they better let the people online use tuned cars, not like in GT4 where you had to use a stock car if you were playing online.

Alright, I think I am far enough offtopic now that I should give it a rest. But anywho, Prologue in 5 days baby.

Modified by DrJuice164 at 9:42 AM 4/10/2008

Then need more formula racing in GT5 too. Those races along with the last challenge were really the only "hard" parts of the game. Everything else was just buying a car that fits into the category and put all the money possible into it, and just pwn the snot out of the other race cars. Off topic kind of, how many cars are there on track at once in forza. I know GTP/5 is going to be 16 offline and 12 online if I recall correctly.

What I think it comes down to as far GT, they just need to make the game harder. Have the AI go MUCH faster, make driving much more difficult. (ya noobs hate GT4 and thats easy.) have a nonABS option for those that use a wheel (too difficult to regulate bottem pressure with a controller) oh ya, GIVE ME BRAKE FADE. I will continue my rant on one of my favorite games later.

Try The "Ring" Enduro 24Hr...

Then Tell Me GT4 Is Easy....

GT4 is rather easy, everything is very consistant other than tire wear, the AI is slow as balls, and every car has ABS. I have not personally done a complete straight shot 24 hour stint on the ring, but me and my roommates have done it with no b-spec. We started on a saturday night, took turns doing maybe 4 hour stints then passing it off and finished sunday night. In the end, the 24 hour race as done with no pauses or b-spec. Call it gay or dumb, but we sure had fun doing it becucase all it turned into was 1 long time attack session.

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Something new I noticed about GT4 that they'd better fix in 5 is the savegames. It's a pain in the *** and a half to start a new save in Gran Turismo as there is no menu option for your save games (as far as I could find). To overwrite I had to take out the card, go through all 6-7 warnings about starting the game without a memory card, then start Gran Turismo mode, then finally get an option to create a new save, with still no option to delete my existing save. Fail.

For some reason GT4 did not have a load option if I recall correctly, only a save. Not really sure on the reason for this other than getting "free" cars out of the deal from one save game to another, something like that.

Yeah, the P2P races I didn't like in career. But the downhill full course was fun for drifting. Forza drifters, you know what I mean. And the swaps got even better in F2. Now along with the engine swaps you get the drivetrain too. IE both my S13 & S14 have an RB26DETT in it as well as the AWD platform. The races in the beginning are limitless as of HP but as you go up in level/race types, they have class brackets; D, C, B, A, U, R etc. They have rivalries like Skylines vs Supras, WRX vs Evo, Golf vs Civic and so on. Forza brought a lot of "street" to the game in that respect. Plus the real life courses (not sure if GT has them) like Nurbergring (12.?? mile course), road atlanta, Road america, Mugello, silverstone, Tsukuba, etc. And the online is fantastic. Open class races, restricted class races, race with any car from your garage, or chose from the any car in the lot. You don't even have to race. You can go in any race to watch others. Auctions, save someone elses tune on any specific car, and "gift-a-car". Like, say one of your friends has a lot of money, he can upgrade a car for you, and then give it back to you. IMHO, GT5 could have the best graffics ever, I still would rather play Forza 2 cause the online friendly 360 pwnes all. (gaming platforms only) I know PC's are probably better.