Kolk1
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2007 Nissan Versa
Jerseyville il
1-9-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 8:36 PM 2/25/2008 |
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Any idea on price? 19whp is a pretty good increase. I assume this was on a manual, since my auto(not CVT) doesnt go that high of RPM. Would that mean I couldnt take full advantage of the manifold, since peak hp on your graph happens higher than my stock shift points?
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Great White Versa
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2007 Nissan Versa S HB 6sp
Las Veags NV
9-27-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 8:45 PM 2/25/2008 |
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What exactly are the two dyno tests comparing? CAI + Manifold vs ... Where in Henderson are you? i would like to see it. Also, where is this Lucas Oil?
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Great White Versa) | 8:47 PM 2/25/2008 |
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omg thats just what i want.
let us know asap price, etc, etc!!!!
ill be one of the first in line for this for sure 
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Great White Versa
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2007 Nissan Versa S HB 6sp
Las Veags NV
9-27-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (reyes1212) | 8:48 PM 2/25/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by reyes1212 » | omg thats just what i want.
let us know asap price, etc, etc!!!!
ill be one of the first in line for this for sure |
I'm closer. so, technically, if there's a line to be formed, i would be in front of you :p
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JoshH
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Nissan Versa S 2007
Luthervile Maryland
8-29-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 8:50 PM 2/25/2008 |
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Definitely would like to know the price of this thing. Looks really nice.
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (JoshH) | 9:59 PM 2/25/2008 |
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hahahaha alright alright...ill catch a flight...or dirve there not too far away...ROAD TRIP! 
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James[vicious]
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Nissan Versa
gonzales ca
10-2-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 10:18 PM 2/25/2008 |
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i would be really interested. im pretty tired of hearing about honda fit parts and nuthin for the versa!!!!
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (James[vicious]) | 10:31 PM 2/25/2008 |
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what if we plan to turbo it...this manifold wouldnt be needed?
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biggie
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Clemmons NC
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (reyes1212) | 6:53 AM 2/26/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by reyes1212 » | | what if we plan to turbo it...this manifold wouldnt be needed? |
Turbo and intake manifold would be two separate mods. Both would increase hp independently. You could turbo with the stock IM or add an upgraded one for better flow.I am wondering how we can get an intake mani before we can get a decent catback or upgraded shocks (besides coilovers), that's kinda crazy.
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bulld0g
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2007 Versa SL " Bulld0g Edition "
Lost Wages Nevada
4-25-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (biggie) | 7:52 AM 2/26/2008 |
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It just depends on the companies willing to take the leap on a product and the consumer demand for them....
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Kolk1) | 7:53 AM 2/26/2008 |
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The intake will likely be priced at $699 retial, but we will be willing to offer a discount for a group buy.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Kolk1) | 7:56 AM 2/26/2008 |
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we did test the intake on a 6-speed car,but the CVT will benefit for the power gains as well, since there was no loss in low-speed power compared tot he stock intake. The CVT would likely benefit even more since it is constantly operating in the range with the greatest power gains.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Great White Versa) | 7:58 AM 2/26/2008 |
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The graphs compare the stock intake to the new design. Both were equipped with the stock air box. The photo is with the AEM, but the graph supplied was run with stock air box. In our testing, the CAI actually offered more of a power gain with the stock intake.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (reyes1212) | 8:09 AM 2/26/2008 |
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We will be able to demonstrate the situation with the intake on a turbo very shortly, as we are installing and testing the turbo now. The (somewhat simplified) formula for power output of a boosted motor is (Turbo) HP=(NA)HPx pressure ratio. What this means is that if we have a Versa motor making 111 hp and we add 14.7 psi (1 bar), we can actually double the power output, since 14.7 psi will double the current atmospheric pressure to the motor. Please no replys about the number of variables that can alter this equations, we are aware of them but the formula works very well in the real world, especially on a modern 4-valve motor. Using the formula, if we apply 14.7 psi to our 111-hp motor (with the stock intake) we get 222 hp. If we apply the same 14.7 psi of boost to the 128 hp motor 256 hp. Of course this assumes the turbo will support this power level.
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bulld0g
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2007 Versa SL " Bulld0g Edition "
Lost Wages Nevada
4-25-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 8:39 AM 2/26/2008 |
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great to hear.....do you have a website? I may be moving to Henderson this summer so I might come check your shop out
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (bulld0g) | 10:49 AM 2/26/2008 |
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The website for Dynatek racing is http://www.dynatekracing.com. Unfortunately there are only parts for Mustangs and Cobras listed on the site right now, all of this testing is pretty new. We will update with photos and info on Xd, Versa, Yaris and Xb soon.
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Great White Versa
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2007 Nissan Versa S HB 6sp
Las Veags NV
9-27-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 12:37 PM 2/26/2008 |
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I couldn't find any information for dynatek, dynatek racing, or Lucas Oil in Henderson or LV. Where are you located?
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Driver X
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2008 Nissan Versa SL
Sin City
2-10-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Great White Versa) | 12:45 PM 2/26/2008 |
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I live out by Henderson... did you dyno locally in the Vegas/Henderson area?
'08 Versa SL 6speed
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manvan
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versa hatch
romeoville chicago suburb il
8-6-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 1:19 PM 2/26/2008 |
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i want a turbo sooo bad but right now theres no internal engine parts for our cars that we can buy, and if i learned anything from having a turbo car with stock internal its that they dont last that long
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Great White Versa) | 1:49 PM 2/26/2008 |
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The Versa was tested on our Dynojet located in Vegas (in industrial area off Russell Blvd). Lucas Oil is a major sponsor of our last project (The Worlds fastest Honda Civic). We ran at Bonneville and set a new LSR with an average speed of 207.555 mph. Car was clocked at nearly 210 exiting 5th mile and we have run 211 mph in the Civic at our top secret Nevada test facility code named Area 52. To answer the question about internals, running low boost levels with (the real key) proper tuning will result in no internal component problems. I have run turbos on 2.0L Zetec motors (Focus), 1.6L and 1.8L B-series Honda motors and various Toyota motors for literally thousands of trouble-free miles. The key is to eliminate any detonation. We hope to have versa turbo up and running very shortly with the new intake.
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blind_snyper
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2007 versa s hatch 1993 toyota 4runner
prineville or
10-1-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 1:52 PM 2/26/2008 |
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price range on turbo?
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (blind_snyper) | 2:19 PM 2/26/2008 |
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We are not sure about pricing on turbo kit since it has not been completed and tested. We need to evaluate components necessary to achieve design and price goals before providing retail price.
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2007 versa s hatch 1993 toyota 4runner
prineville or
10-1-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 2:28 PM 2/26/2008 |
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gotcha, thanks
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CodeRed
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2007 Nissan Versa S
Coral Springs Florida
1-27-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (blind_snyper) | 3:28 PM 2/26/2008 |
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Looks nice, Hoping to see a price drop on it though.
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (CodeRed) | 3:53 PM 2/26/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by CodeRed » | | Looks nice, Hoping to see a price drop on it though. |
let me add to that:
a VERY NICE price drop..lol
im very deeply excited for us Versa people becasue this is a big step.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (reyes1212) | 4:56 PM 2/26/2008 |
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We'd like to keep the retail price down on the new intake for Versa owners as well, but fabrication of the aluminum intake is expensive. We could cast the new design, but we'd have to have some serious numbers to offset tooling costs. If we can get 50 or more versa owners together as a group but, we could likely knock $100 off price.
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djtorello
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2008 nissan Sentra SE-r
oakdale NY
2-23-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 5:35 PM 2/26/2008 |
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Its a very nice piece, what whats the weight differance between the stocker and your new aluminum one? I know that seems an odd question, but it is possible to reduce nearly half the weight of the stocker, And my only other concern is the runners are all the same length. Usually #1 cylinder with get less air from being the farthest from the TB, shortening that runner like stock evens it out. I see your plenum is tapered to do so, but without detailed pics, i cant see if it will be enough. Or can you supply your math for the volumetic area of the plenum vs the runner length by diameter?
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Kolk1
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2007 Nissan Versa
Jerseyville il
1-9-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 5:50 PM 2/26/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by dynatek » | | we did test the intake on a 6-speed car,but the CVT will benefit for the power gains as well, since there was no loss in low-speed power compared tot he stock intake. The CVT would likely benefit even more since it is constantly operating in the range with the greatest power gains. |
My concern is, I have the A4, not the CVT, and on your dyno pull, there is only a slight increase (5-7whp) below 6k rpms. Since I have a A4, It automatically shifts below or right at 6k. Im more interested in power under the curve, not peak hp anyways. Do you possibly have a pic of the dyno pull showing torque?
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Driver X
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2008 Nissan Versa SL
Sin City
2-10-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 7:20 PM 2/26/2008 |
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I think I know where you are located... I work down the street off Spring Mountain.. We supply parts to lots of engine shops in the valley...
'08 Versa SL 6speed
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (djtorello) | 9:28 PM 2/26/2008 |
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We have not weighed the new intake, but the factory composite intake is not very heavy, so we'd be happy to match the weight using the aluminum. As for your questions about the runner lengths and position of the throttle body relative to runner number 1, we'd be interested to hear more of an explanation of the question. Plenum volume, runner length and runner cross section have much more to do with the three forms of ram filling (inertial, reflected wave and helmholtz) than airflow. Each of the 2-inch runners flows nearly 350 cfm or more than enough air to support the entire motor, let alone one cylinder. We tested a number of different runner lengths, cross sections and even plenum volumes before deciding on this combination. It is important to know that we were able to produce the same power using smaller 1.75-inch runners and that the throttle body position has no effect on the power output. We know this because we made different plenums that positioned the throttle body at both ends and the middle, with absolutely no change in power. The math to calculate the helmholtz resonance wave based on the runner length and volume, plenum volume, inlet tube length and volume and 1/2 displacement of one cylinder is a complex one. The stock intake design is actually more for fitment and not to offset starvation of cylinder number 1.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (Kolk1) | 9:34 PM 2/26/2008 |
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If you review the power curves, you will see that the new intake never made less power than the stock one. That means performance will always be as good as stock for any engine speed below where the new intake starts making more power. Since the power curve falls off rapidly with the stock intake after 5000 rpm, even the automatic versa will benefit from the gains from 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm. Given the long runners in the stock intake, it was difficult to design an intake that equaled the low-speed power of the stock (tuned for torque) intake while offering significant gains at the top o the rev range. During testing, we produced intake manifolds that actually produced more peak power, but they sacrificed power elsewhere in the curve. This combination turned out to offer the best overall power curve for both a manual and auto (or CVT).
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Skim302
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Nissan Versa S
Laurel De
9-14-2007
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This is awesome news. I have honestly been waiting for a company like this to come up. I knew there was no way the turbo was gonna stop when zpi dropped out. I cant wait. But I would really like to be a price est. when its possible
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: (Skim302) | 2:43 PM 2/27/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Skim302 » | | This is awesome news. I have honestly been waiting for a company like this to come up. I knew there was no way the turbo was gonna stop when zpi dropped out. I cant wait. But I would really like to be a price est. when its possible |
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Kolk1
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2007 Nissan Versa
Jerseyville il
1-9-2007
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| « Re: Versa Intake manifold photo & dyno results (dynatek) | 6:51 PM 2/27/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by dynatek » | | If you review the power curves, you will see that the new intake never made less power than the stock one. That means performance will always be as good as stock for any engine speed below where the new intake starts making more power. Since the power curve falls off rapidly with the stock intake after 5000 rpm, even the automatic versa will benefit from the gains from 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm. Given the long runners in the stock intake, it was difficult to design an intake that equaled the low-speed power of the stock (tuned for torque) intake while offering significant gains at the top o the rev range. During testing, we produced intake manifolds that actually produced more peak power, but they sacrificed power elsewhere in the curve. This combination turned out to offer the best overall power curve for both a manual and auto (or CVT). |
On that note, do you think there might possibly be a tuner in the works to allow A4 models, to go to 7500, that way fully utilizing the full strength of this manifold? If I had a M6, id be all over it, but with only a slight increase under 6k rpms, im not going to get much benefit.
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Skim302
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Nissan Versa S
Laurel De
9-14-2007
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I know that there is talk about headers coming out for the versa and i was wondering would the manifold toally eliminate any need for headers? Becasue on the pic it looks like the manifold takes care of the headers. And would the manifold come with a custom cai or would i have to buy a aem or fujita?
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CodeRed
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2007 Nissan Versa S
Coral Springs Florida
1-27-2007
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| « Re: (Skim302) | 8:22 PM 2/27/2008 |
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It looks like the throttle body is in the same area. So you probably could use the stock air box with it...but why?
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jfanaselle
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2007 Nissan Versa Hatchback SL, 2008 Nissan Rogue SL
Murrieta CA
8-18-2007
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| « Re: (Skim302) | 8:53 PM 2/27/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Skim302 » | | I know that there is talk about headers coming out for the versa and i was wondering would the manifold toally eliminate any need for headers? Becasue on the pic it looks like the manifold takes care of the headers. And would the manifold come with a custom cai or would i have to buy a aem or fujita? |
The header and intake manifold are very different components of the vehicle and would need to be replaced seperately. It's very easy to confuse the two, because on the stock set-up, they're both called a manifold (intake manifold and exhaust manifold). But in reality, one handles the air coming into the motor and the other handles the exhaust coming out, kind of like your arteries and veins in your body. On our cars, it's even easier to confuse the two, because typically the exhaust manifold (or header once it's been replaced) is located on the front of the engine and the intake manifold is located on the rear, but our cars use a transeverse set-up like an Acura RSX. Hope that helps!
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reyes1212
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Super Black '07 Nissan Versa
surprise az
2-10-2007
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| « Re: (jfanaselle) | 1:53 AM 2/28/2008 |
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yeah my Fit friend said that it was a bit funny how our manifolds are set up.
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dynatek
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2006 Nissan Versa Sl 6-speed
Henderson NV
2-25-2008
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| « Re: (CodeRed) | 6:51 AM 2/28/2008 |
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The Versa intake was designed to run with either the stock air box or any current CAI. We did this to allow users to keep the CAI they have already purchased and allow the system to be tested for emissions certification with the stock air box.
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