Slideways^Jordan's SR Head Build / Turbo and Question thread.

[Slideways^Jordan]

Hello my fellow nico members I want to share my build and I felt like I should have made this thread a long time ago and to ask question Like (idahotuner's Thread such a awsome guy). Well about my build for topend on my SR Redtop. I startedThe head work back in October of 2007 and finished it in November 07 with the motor all bolted in. But its not running yet i still have to do a couple little things then it should be running like intsall my KaaZ 2 Way Diff and my 1 peice drivshaft, finish my 5 lug and big brake conversion then put all the wiring back into the engine bay. Well ill be running on the stock bottom end for a while untill i can build the bottom end, My power range im shooting for is from 400-450. Enthalpy Tune.

Please feel free chime in your all apreciated by me i just want people to talk to about my project all the way up to its rebirth again lol running.

Well heres a list of some of the mods ive done.

- R.S. Enthalpy ROM TUNE- rev limit is set to 8500rpm- NGK iridium bkr8's- S13 Redtop Sr20det withStock bottom end around 75,000 miles i know cause i have the gauge cluster that came with my front clip *- GARETT dual ball bearing T3/T4E T04E 50 Trim with .63 A/R oil and water cooled-Tomei solid lifters* - P2M Rocker arm stoppers- Driveshaftshops 1 piece 15lb drive shaft- Peak boost topmount exhaust manifold*- Peak boost 3 inch down pipe/ FULL 3 inch exhaust allthe way- PeakBoost 38mm Waste Gate Dumptube - Deatchworks 810cc injectors- Tial 38mm Wastegate- Brian crower 272 intake and exhuast camshaft*- Brian crower Spring and Titanium Retainer kit - Topspeed Greddy Knockoff Intake Manifold W/Stock SR Throttlebody- ACT Clutch Kit Xtreme Pressure Plate PerformanceStreet Disc organic, Torque Capacity: 449 ft/lbs..- Fidanza 10-11 lbs flywheel*- Z32 AFM or MAF* - Precision AS-1025 600hp intercooler- Greddy Lightweight Pulley Kit- Aluminum Radiator SR20DET Koyo copy- 2 FAL copy 12 in. Electric Fans

BC Titanium retainer and springs installed and tomei Solid lifters are in in this pic.
















Modified by Slideways^Jordan at 4:47 AM 1/7/2008

[White Comet]

hey thats looking pretty good. i plan on building my head up as well in a little bit. i picked up a spare head so i wouldnt have much down time for my car. i look forward to seeing more and i like where ur gonig with this

[positron1]

Question, does that intake manifold bolt right on or do you have to modify it in anyway? Nice build by the way!

[White Comet]

it bolts right on

[Hijacker]

You didn't pull that head off at all for hot tank and decking? Did you install headstuds?

Personally, your goal of 400-450 is attainable on a stock bottom end, however I question that you didn't replace the headgasket (I prefer stock and headstuds, but general concensus seems to always be metal HG) and use ARP headstuds.

For that T3/T4 to make power, you're going to have some good pressure in the combustion chamber, so I would prefer a better clamping mechanism than old, stretched headbolts

I also hope that your tune is being done on a dyno by enthalpy. 400-450 is the upper limit of the stock block, but to effectively squeeze that much power out of the stock hardware, I highly suggest having your ROM tuner specially tune it on a dyno.

I tend to err on the side of safety, especially when a $1500 piece of metal is on the line. But good luck on the build.

[Slideways^Jordan]

I totally agree with you hijacker i know i shoulda taken the head off and changed the headgaskit. I thought about it alot but wht made me decide not towas the fact that i new its a healthy motor before the build. I drove the SR with bolt ons and a fmic at 12lb of boost on the stock T25 and it all held just fine plus its never overheated i never had one problem with this motor, so i know its a still a good engine thats kinda why i left the stock headgaskit on it. Once i get ready to build the bottom end im definatly buying an Apexi metal head gaskit and ARP headstuds no doubt.

I allready have my ECU tuned by R.S. Enthalpy and its plug and play now. I dont think ill be seeing power close up to 450 on the stock bottom end for me i just want to atleast hit 400WHP. When i talked to Chris and Scott from Enthalpy they rerecomend that i run pump gas 93octane at 12-14psi on the street then on the track anything above 18 to 20psi I HAVE to run the higher octane as of ''race gas''. Also scott said that with my setup i should close to high 300hp to low 400hp and that will satisfy me plenty.

[idahotuner]

you didnt do headstuds? or a new headgasket? wow.be prepared to pull it apart and replace them with in a few months.

i like your intake manifold. how did you make it so shinny and polished. did you do it your self?

looking at my tax return i may have may car done quiet a bit sooner. which would be awesome

[Slideways^Jordan]

YEs lol iknow about the headgaskit and the studs ill change them soon though

and i bought the Topspeed intake from Hybridynamics its their greddy alternative/ Copy just cheaper without the brand name.

so whats next with your project idaho.

[idahotuner]

when the engine bay is done. it will be suspension time

[Slideways^Jordan]

Sweet man what are thinking about getting for suspension. In the front ive got my Megan coils bolted up to my R33 Skyline rotors and calipers its sick looking dude im gonna post picks of it later in this thread i need to finish the rears soon and all 4 rotors are 12 inches.

[idahotuner]

wow sounds nice man. i am going to go with PMB coilovers and PMB RUCAS. and i tein front tierods inner and outter. sustec front lower brace and i have ES bushing kit.. and i am going to get greddy strut bars. and suspension tech sway bars. can call it a day. after that my car will be pretty much done. still willl need a LSD. bu i am going to brake everything else in before i get a lsd and break it in.

[homeslicej2]

I totally agree with you hijacker i know i shoulda taken the head off and changed the headgaskit. I thought about it alot but wht made me decide not towas the fact that i new its a healthy motor before the build.

Not for long if you're pushing that much power out of the motor. ~400whp on stock HG? 12-14psi on the T3/T4E is not the same as 12 psi out of the T25. If you can afford all the Peak boost stuff and to do this build, then you should be able to go ahead replace the HG and install ARP hardware. Blow the HG at full boost at the track, coolant and oil mix and bottom end is destroyed causing more damage and a more expensive rebuild than if you had installed a metal HG and ARP stuff. My .02, but anyway, nice looking build. Is your entire car seam welded btw?

[Slideways^Jordan]

Not for long if you're pushing that much power out of the motor. ~400whp on stock HG? 12-14psi on the T3/T4E is not the same as 12 psi out of the T25. If you can afford all the Peak boost stuff and to do this build, then you should be able to go ahead replace the HG and install ARP hardware. Blow the HG at full boost at the track, coolant and oil mix and bottom end is destroyed causing more damage and a more expensive rebuild than if you had installed a metal HG and ARP stuff. My .02, but anyway, nice looking build. Is your entire car seam welded btw?

Yes i know that. 12-14 psi is different from a t25 to a T3T4.

i really would like to put a metal headgaskit on itand some ARP head studs right know if i can but i got a layoff of my job so i have like no money right know

And then im gonna have to take the head to get it decked where il also have to get the block decked so then i would have to take out all the rods and pistons and everything from the bottom end im just not ready tobuild the bottom end though if i could just take the head off and put the headgaskit on that would make it even better but i know i cant do that with out the head beiing decked first.

well its ok

sounds swett idaho i cant wait man what lsd are thinkg of i went with the kaaZ 2 way.

[idahotuner]

i am plaing on a KAAZ 1.5 way lsd

you might not have to deck your head or block.

mine were perfectly straight so there was no need to. i still had the head put through a parts washer.

when i cleaned my stock hg off the block i used sand paper and a vaccum cleaner. so nothing got into the coolant or oil holes

[Slideways^Jordan]

i am plaing on a KAAZ 1.5 way lsd

you might not have to deck your head or block.

mine were perfectly straight so there was no need to. i still had the head put through a parts washer.

when i cleaned my stock hg off the block i used sand paper and a vaccum cleaner. so nothing got into the coolant or oil holes

sweet man i love the KaaZ 2way

so i could do that with the head well then i need some money to the metal Headgaskit and ARP headstuds.

[idahotuner]

yea i used 180 grit sandpaper. for the block

and i am gettign a 1.5 for conering.

[Slideways^Jordan]

yea i used 180 grit sandpaper. for the block

and i am gettign a 1.5 for conering.

is that really safe though i just need to make sure that none gets into the coolant and oil holes. so then i can just put a paper towel in each hole and just be really careful right

Yeah i think the 1.5 KaaZ is also really good i just havent felt what its like.

so i was thinking For my apexi head gaskit which is 200$ should i get the 86mm piston 0.8mm or the 1.1mm i want boost but im not really sure whats the best size to get right now. And my alternate headgaskit would be a cometic i can get one for like 90$ on ebay and the ARP head studs for like 130$

so i could be best with Apexi 1.1mm and ARPstuds for 290$

Then theirs cometic and ARP for 220$

what do you think
Modified by Slideways^Jordan at 6:54 PM 1/7/2008

[idahotuner]

MY hg came off with the head. so there wasnt much on the block left to scrap off. i used a peice of plastic likea credit card or id. that isharpened on a sander and scrapped as much as i could with that. and then sanded it. you jsut have to be really careful. when doing it around the holes.

as far as a head gasket i have a apexi 1.1 mm 86mm piston.they were out of the stock thickness. when i ordered.with the turbo you are running i would get the 1.1mm head gasketi am only running a ..64 gt2871. and that is what i got.

make sure you get soem copper spray-a-gasket and coat both sides of the gasket with it

[Slideways^Jordan]

MY hg came off with the head. so there wasnt much on the block left to scrap off. i used a peice of plastic likea credit card or id. that isharpened on a sander and scrapped as much as i could with that. and then sanded it. you jsut have to be really careful. when doing it around the holes.

as far as a head gasket i have a apexi 1.1 mm 86mm piston.they were out of the stock thickness. when i ordered.with the turbo you are running i would get the 1.1mm head gasketi am only running a ..64 gt2871. and that is what i got.

make sure you get soem copper spray-a-gasket and coat both sides of the gasket with it

OK Thanks Idaho ill prolly order it tomorrow if i can pull something. I also use the plastic card trick alot on oil pans water pumps just in general when i use the silicone gaskit maker but i use like the gift cards from wallmart.

im gonna get the apexi 1.1mm with the ARP studs thanks for your help

so what is this copper spray-a-gasket tell me more about so i know what to do with it and were can i get it?

[srdub-t]

it helps with sealing and you can get it at any local automotive store like kragen.... Just spray it on like your spray painting your headgasket... both sides

[Slideways^Jordan]

it helps with sealing and you can get it at any local automotive store like kragen.... Just spray it on like your spray painting your headgasket... both sides

okSweet thanks im good at spray paintin just look at pics of my engine bay . Spray paint

[idahotuner]

http://www.permatex.com/produc...t.htm

you can get it at napa. or shucks or any other store for that matter.like 8 dollars or somthing.

[Slideways^Jordan]

http://www.permatex.com/produc...t.htm

you can get it at napa. or shucks or any other store for that matter.like 8 dollars or somthing.

sweet man Thanks hey do you know what size hex alan head socket is need for the head studs

[idahotuner]

i think it is a 1/8 inch but i am not positive on that.

[Slideways^Jordan]

Ok then well will just keep the question in th air for now. Thanks Idaho

[srdub-t]

its not 1/8... its 10mm i beleive i know for sure its metric. it been a while since iv done a head.

[idahotuner]

i am positive it was not metric. 5/16 is what i used i think. now that i think about it casue it wasnt 1/4 and it wasnt 1/8

[Slideways^Jordan]

ok cool well about 2 and a half hours ago i just orderd

my Apexi 1.1mm Metal Head gaskit and SR ARP head bolts.

Also i will be takeing more pics along with the removal of the head and pics of the block and pistons then pics of the head being put back on with new head gaskit.

[idahotuner]

nice have you look at my build thread. and my head when i had it off.

[Slideways^Jordan]

nice have you look at my build thread. and my head when i had it off.

Yeah i did see it awhile back well im gonna look again right now again.