Fuel has just gone up to over $100 per jug which means fuel prices are going to go up to $4 per gallon...I've been thinking about some sort of alternative fuel. I have been doing some re-search on it and just thought I would ask if any of you have tried it?

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On a serious note - I sold my v8 cars seeing that fuel is going to become expensive. Possibly a good solution instead of trying alternative fuel in the Q.

For tires, I prefer Michelin.

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I've been hearing about 100+ Octane. I thought it was a myth.

Was it worth it?

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So true so true! I use premium, but I filled up with 87 (one tank) on my way to Alabama last week just to see how my car would ride and there was NO DIFFERENCE in the way my car ran. My car didn't stumble, turn off, or any of the other things I've read on these post.

BTW, here is a question. I owned a Infniti J30 before I purchased my Y33 and that car required premium. However, the nissan 300z has the same motor as the J30, but the nissan required regular. Could someone explain why one car needed premium gas but the nissan, which has the same motor as the J30 required regular?

Before I get into a war about which gas I use in my car, it's Premium.

Modified by NightRiderQ45 at 9:10 PM 11/14/2007

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

PREMIUM ONLY. NO ETHANOL IF POSSIBLE.

Bob Barr for President

I never put anything other than 92 in my Q. But in the I30 I put 89 once absentmindedly. Immediate loss of power was apparent. When I filled up with 92 at half tank I could immediately feel the difference in acceleration. Now I30 is nowhere close to a Q45. But I believe similar traits will be seen in a Q unless knock sensor is not doing its job of increasing timing when proper fuel is consumed.

Take my observations with a grain of salt. I am no expert.

I don't plan on burning my food in my car. Hydrogen is also much cleaner burning.

Wow... you know there are billions being spent on alternative fuels. the Q will not take ethanol for more then 10 seconds before destroying itself, it sure as hell isnt equipped for hydrogen, solar panels... yea I bet. Enough energy to move a 2ton tank around. The car is far too heavy to have any future in alternative energy. The reason some cars can be hybrids and some can run on this and that is because they were light, and built specifically for it. Go ahead and experiment, im sure you will find the missing link the 50,000 man scientist army missed

http://www.biodieselamerica.org or something like that.

Of course the resultant fuel will not be usable in the Q45 installed engine. Isuzu
has a V8 diesel engine, installed in GM trucks, that should fit? ? ?

After all you don't drive around, "looking cool" with the hood up so...

You should be able to produce your own fuel for around half-a-buck per gallon.
Not a whole lot of technology involved either.

Know how little energy hydrogen has when it burns?

Gasoline with catalytic converters is pretty damn clean when combusted and a much more dense BTU source.

What we need is for someone to rediscover how the Nazis produced gasoline from coal after the Ploesti oil fields were bombed. Kept them going for over a year while under attack in constant war. Refineries are difficult to defend, expecially agains a cruise missile.

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My last fill up though was $52. Most I've ever paid. Didn't mind it one bit though.

Muahahaha.

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All we need is $5.00/gal gas. There's enough oil in the Canadian and American oil sands to fuel the entire world for another 100 years - just isn't economical enough at $3.00/gal or $80/bbl crude.

There is Hydrogen in water and there are several people who have cars that run off of water by separating the hydrogen out of it.

A while back there was a video on YouTube telling all about it, he had a few cars that he would fill up with water and he had spit all down the side of it saying "It runs on water".

So it is possible you just have to find an economical way to separate it.

Of course they easily overlook the enormous ecological damage done to extract it.

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Rediscover? It is re-discovered. IMO the Government is suppressing it. Go to YouTube and search "Magnet Motor" and it will amaze you what you will find.

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My point was that the government does suppress stuff like efficient alternative fuels such as separating hydrogen from water.

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Sometimes I use Shell Premium instead of Chevron Premium

Now that's what I'm talking about!

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It's more physics than politics.

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IF, IMO had all the money expanded on the current two adventures, using the armed forces, had been
devoted towards alternate fuels we would probably be self sufficient by now in this country, but...

But heh we got improved body armor, improved weapons, improved Humvees, all sorts of golly gee stuff so I suppose we shouldn't be too un-greatfull

I seriously that the Gov. is suppressing any alternate fuel technology including whatever the Germans/Nazis produced. Now maybe the Greens...

Jack

The way the car is tuned can dictate that. Wes' ECU requires Premium, or else the knocks will pick up enough "noise" to negate the additional power from the tune.

Also, you say the same motor, is it the same type of motor VG30DE, or was it the same motor down to the cams and compression ratio, etc?

All this machine does is separates the Hydrogen gas from water and injects it into your intake.

Is there any way this could harm your engine? They say that it is perfectly safe and will not even void a warranty.

Please tell me what you think. Thanks

I take it you need a bettery/generator powerful enough, but also lightwieght and able to be stored in an unobtrusive space. Would you need holding tanks to store the separated hydrogen and oxygen? Oxygen in a tank might be a bad idea if the car is left in the sun right?

I haven't really given much thought to fabrication. Just theory really.

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You can separate Hydrogen from water with the current of a car battery, 12 volts 10 amps. Check out this link:

http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm

It is very interesting. I may look into it further. It is a very simple way to do what I am thinking about. I will probably try it on an ATV first so I don't blow up my Q.

http://www.alcoholinjectionsys....html

^^^^Is this possible in the Q? Why is this the first I've heard of it?

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Check out this picture that someone took while using the Hydrogen injection system:

The 116+ Octane rating shows the potential of standard 91-93 combined with the water injection. I didn't know water could be used to help combustion. Come to think of it, when you spray a little water on a flame, sometimes it doesn't go all the way out. If atomized (vaporized) properly, it might boost combustion.

Tech, is this a practical application to older cars?

Modified by Haitian_King at 4:15 PM 11/16/2007

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Mabe somebody that knows could shine some more light on the subject.

That Water4Gas thing looks fishy. If it was really that great and easy, why haven't I heard of it or seen it on TV? Sounds like the thing that Brian would pounce on.They said it's "SAFE & NON-HAZARDOUS", but accordign to Wikipedia, HHO (the product that's being used) is highly volatile and is hard to contain properly. These guys are advocating Hellman's jars.

HHO is used in oxygen-torches. I don't think a welding/glass-making/jewler's tool, has any place under MY hood. It looks too good to be true. I'm not convinced.

Plus, they said that it works in newer cars, 1996+. You have a 90, I have a 92. A little old.

But if you want to test it out and document your progress, go for it. NICO always has room for DIY articles.

Modified by Haitian_King at 5:00 PM 11/16/2007

Modified by Haitian_King at 5:10 PM 11/16/2007

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The water4gas takes everything that I have been researching and puts it into one book. water4gas is NOT the only people that are doing this, there are thousands of people and companies who do this in different ways.

You don't see stuff like this on TV. water4gas does not recommend that you make your car run fully on water because most people who try it end up dead or threatened if they continue. There are tons of cars out there that run on WATER ONLY...the reason you don't hear about t