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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (240DrpTop) | 6:42 AM 10/14/2007 |
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I have the same problem - sometimes starts fine, sometimes the solenoid just clicks. I've already replaced the starter, the relay, battery terminal clamps, and checked fuses. Going to try cleaning off the ground next.The starter is a pain to get out the first time, but gets easier once you figure out how to get the top bolt off.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (ishkabibble) | 9:17 AM 10/14/2007 |
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Heard that.The first time I think it took about 1.5hrs.That top bolt is somthing else. Now I have It down to about 20 min. Still not enjoyable. Sorry to here that you have the same problem. I'm wondering if a better body ground could be the answer?I'm going to check the voltage at the starter.Thanks for the reply.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (240DrpTop) | 10:00 AM 10/14/2007 |
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i got lucky with a new OEM Nissan starter from auto zone and it still wouldnt work.... sometimes if it clicks and you hold the key there it will start.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (240DrpTop) | 10:14 AM 10/14/2007 |
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I had the same problem nearly two years ago, I had a mechanic replace the starter with another one - probably rebuilt - and have not had a problem since. It started out with the same symptoms as you described.I wish you luck.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (krash14) | 10:17 AM 10/14/2007 |
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my car does the same thing. new starter, it got worse. i just ordered a new set of battery cables from nissan that cost me 200 bucks. the ones at napa were no good IMO. so im hoping after this, it will be good....if not im totally stumped.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 11:42 AM 10/14/2007 |
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starter clicks 30 time till start.... then it just dies and no more clicks... so it got replaced with a new one from kragen.... shazam! what do know... half of the time it clicks, but it starts on the 5th click or so. give or take a few. ehhh i can live with it.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (drifters2it_sideways) | 11:53 AM 10/14/2007 |
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i was living with it too it wasnt bugging me much....but then it got worse and i was clicking for 20 mins or so b4 it would start up. that would be helluva situation in an emergency.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 12:21 PM 10/14/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | | i was living with it too it wasnt bugging me much....but then it got worse and i was clicking for 20 mins or so b4 it would start up. that would be helluva situation in an emergency. |
that was me witht the first starter 20 min. after work sitting in the parking lot. "you need a jump?" "nahh its ok im just listening to some music before i go... " " fvcken starter"
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krash

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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (drifters2it_sideways) | 3:02 PM 10/14/2007 |
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as you walk on the sidewalk you get a call on your cell phone: "come quick! i need some help fast! Some people are chasing me in a car, im on foot! im right around the corner!" You think, "I can pick you up in my vert!" you run to your car with your female sidekick . you smoothly jump the door on the vert (the top is down) and land comfortably in the drivers seat, you female sidekick does the same. you put the key in the ignition AND.... click...click...click....click...click...click... your female sidekick opens the door, gets out the car, gives you a look of pity, and walks away. your friend gets captured by a bunch of ricers in a "Type R toyota".
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (drifters2it_sideways) | 3:05 PM 10/14/2007 |
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Thats too funny Drift.Glad to see that your down to about 5 clicks.Seems like many of us are having the same prob. This is going to turn into a matter of principle.Not an expensive one I hope.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (krash14) | 3:09 PM 10/14/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by krash14 » | as you walk on the sidewalk you get a call on your cell phone: "come quick! i need some help fast! Some people are chasing me in a car, im on foot! im right around the corner!" You think, "I can pick you up in my vert!" you run to your car with your female sidekick . you smoothly jump the door on the vert (the top is down) and land comfortably in the drivers seat, you female sidekick does the same. you put the key in the ignition AND.... click...click...click....click...click...click... your female sidekick opens the door, gets out the car, gives you a look of pity, and walks away. your friend gets captured by a bunch of ricers in a "Type R toyota". |
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (drifters2it_sideways) | 6:28 PM 10/14/2007 |
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Anyone try the ignition coil?
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jamesblonde82

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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (bakgwailo) | 6:58 PM 10/14/2007 |
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do the ignition coils have anything to do with the starter? maybe you mean the selenoid...which comes with a new starter, so that's not it.
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krash

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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (drifters2it_sideways) | 2:46 AM 10/15/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by drifters2it_sideways » | Hand crank that sun of a witch! FTW!

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HAHA! thats priceless....
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (krash14) | 3:11 PM 10/15/2007 |
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Hey guy's, Thanks for all your input,and the humor. Never hurts to lighten the situation a bit. Did connect a new body ground.Seems like things improved some,but still not right.Down to about 2 clicks out of ten.Maybe the ticket is a new Nissan original equipment part. I called for a price about 2 months back,If I remember correct it was double the cost,close to 400.00. I'll keep you posted if somthing good happens.
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krash

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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (240DrpTop) | 5:50 PM 10/15/2007 |
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try this: put the key in and turn it all the way, if it clicks, still hold it there and it will start. thats what mine has been doing latley. it should sound like, CLICK......vroom. tell me if it works.
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jamesblonde82

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ok i just picked up my new cables today from nissan. it was $193.45 for both. i went ahead and got the original parts due to all the harnesses involved. (thats why they are so much) i also noticed that the neg cable on our cars connects to both the battery holder, and the intake. where it was connected to the battery holder was where all the corrosion damage was....so after a new starter, and new cables i hope this does it. wish me luck!
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ishkabibble

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| « Re: (jamesblonde82) | 7:55 PM 10/15/2007 |
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I hope the neg cable wasn't too expensive.
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| « Re: (ishkabibble) | 8:09 PM 10/15/2007 |
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neg was $62.63 pos was $118.16
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 9:33 PM 10/15/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | | do the ignition coils have anything to do with the starter? maybe you mean the selenoid...which comes with a new starter, so that's not it. |
http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=160219 http://www.240sx.org/faq/artic...d.htm For hard starting (hot and cold) the FSM recommends checking the ignition coil..... maybe I am misunderstanding? | Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | | neg was $62.63 pos was $118.16 |
For the negative cable you could just get some 4 gauge or lower wire from home depot and some ring terminals, maybe, 10-12 bucks? Also, for better grounding, add replace the braded wire in the back left of the engine that grounds engine -> firewall with 4 or lower gauge wire, too. Also adding more grounds from the engine -> chassis might help.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (bakgwailo) | 8:51 AM 10/16/2007 |
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yea i think you are misunderstanding....it's not a hot or cold start problem, its all in the starter just clicking....the articles you linked to refer to cranking over and not starting. as far as the neg cable i could have gotten away without spending 60 bucks, but it was designed for the car so what the heck. and i might add some more grounds like you said for extra measure. i think the problem lied in the corroded connection to the battery holder. we'll see, i dont have time to work on it until thursday.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 11:25 AM 10/16/2007 |
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just dont beat your self up if that dosent fix it.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 3:33 PM 10/16/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | | as far as the neg cable i could have gotten away without spending 60 bucks, but it was designed for the car so what the heck. |
You can get a "made for the car" one from rockauto for $15. I gotta check the condition of the terminal in the middle of that cable on my car. Hopefully, I can wire brush it rather than replace it.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (ishkabibble) | 6:21 PM 10/16/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by ishkabibble » | You can get a "made for the car" one from rockauto for $15. |
ahh no don't tell me that...do you have a link to it? its not on the car yet, so i can take it back.
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (jamesblonde82) | 6:35 PM 10/16/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | ahh no don't tell me that...do you have a link to it? its not on the car yet, so i can take it back. |
http://www.rockauto.com/catalo...up,18 The $13.58 one... it's "direct fit" (click on "more info" to see a pic of it). I don't think they have a positive one, though. Always check rockauto before going to the dealer or local parts store 
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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (krash14) | 7:18 PM 10/16/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by krash14 » | | try this: put the key in and turn it all the way, if it clicks, still hold it there and it will start. thats what mine has been doing latley. it should sound like, CLICK......vroom. tell me if it works. |
Nah i've tried that and it didn't work for me, but mine's wierd. I've got remote start and every morning I start it to let it warm up, starts on the first try. Everywhere else, like school, work, store... I'll remote start, and if i'm lucky it'll be on if not I get to the car click it a few times then finally vromm. I can't figure out the problem either on it I just live with it.

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| « Re: Uncooperative Starter (ishkabibble) | 7:25 PM 10/16/2007 |
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yea that looks like the exact some neg cable i got. the pos one has tons of harnesses jumping off it, im going to see if only replacing the neg will work....might be able to spend the money on something else for my precious..lol
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ok i put on the new neg cable....found a new place to ground the inline ground...and that is a bolt that holds the fusebox onto the fender...it's close by the battery so it works, and i didn't have to drill a new hole. also for future corrosion/oxidation reasons i put on some dilectric compound to stop that from happening. so far with just the neg replaced...no clicks. im going to give it a few days before i take the pos cable back though. this might be a good idea for all you clickers out there!
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| « Re: (jamesblonde82) | 2:10 PM 10/18/2007 |
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cool. I hope it stays that way.I'll try to fix mine this weekend.
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| « Re: (ishkabibble) | 3:44 PM 10/18/2007 |
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Post an update to keeps us notified like a week or so
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| « Re: (240_ESEX) | 8:29 AM 10/19/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by 240_ESEX » | Post an update to keeps us notified like a week or so
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next week? ZZZzzz....
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guess what.....no dice. i took the vert to the fair last night, and when we went to leave, click click click click. it didn't want to start at all now....i had to get a jump and then it wanted to after charging for a couple mins. i'm going to do the pos really expensive cable today and see if that helps. if not, then im going with a non-parts store starter, and going with a nissan one. there's also some relays under the factory air filter tube that goes down into the front of the car. is it possible that one of those can be bad? as i do here clicking from that fuse box panel as well.
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| « Re: (jamesblonde82) | 1:45 PM 10/20/2007 |
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| « Re: (drifters2it_sideways) | 2:20 PM 10/20/2007 |
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im taking a break...man all those little harnesses are a mutherf^cker. but i got the pos cable completely out just gotta put the new one in. i did notice corrosion on the connection to the starter. so hope is up again, for this to be what the issue was. if not then and im stumped.
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| « Re: (jamesblonde82) | 7:26 PM 10/20/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jamesblonde82 » | | guess what.....no dice. i took the vert to the fair last night, and when we went to leave, click click click click. it didn't want to start at all now....i had to get a jump and then it wanted to after charging for a couple mins. i'm going to do the pos really expensive cable today and see if that helps. if not, then im going with a non-parts store starter, and going with a nissan one. there's also some relays under the factory air filter tube that goes down into the front of the car. is it possible that one of those can be bad? as i do here clicking from that fuse box panel as well. |
Yeah, the second one in on the top left is a starter relay. It is a black relay. I replaced mine with one from the dealer - didn't help, unfortunately.
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| « Re: (jamesblonde82) | 2:12 AM 10/21/2007 |
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JB82, I've spent 2 hrs. yesterday cleaning connections and checking for resistance.Still produces a nice click every now and then.I think my next move is a genuine Nissan starter.I called the dealer on Friday.$238.00 plus $50 core charge if I didnt have an origanal OEM core to return, total 283.00 ouch! Hope that cable works out for you.Also if you have a voltage meter,you can test between the positive cable and the small black wire directly at the starter selenoid. I would do this with the pos.cable connected to the battery,and disconnected at the starter.Have a friend turn the ignition switch,while you hold the leads on the pos cable(the end that connects to the starter and the selenoid wire).Should have 12 volts.First make sure that there is 12 volts at the battery. I would do this test numerous times being that,this seems to be an inconsistant problem.If you have12V every time,I would replace the starter w/ Original equip.If this this dosen't work you can always sell your car and buy a Camero.Just kidding!Good luck with that. Modified by 240DrpTop at 2:28 AM 10/21/2007
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| « Re: (240DrpTop) | 9:06 AM 10/21/2007 |
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$283..that makes baby jesus cry. my cheap starter has a lifetime warranty so thats tempting just to trade it in again if this doesn't work. so i finished up last night, put all the harnesses back together with the new pos cable, didn't check any voltage...i can't find the multimeter. anyway it started up just fine (but it always did when cold) so i drove it around for 15 mins...tried to make a real life situation of it and let it sit about 30 mins before i tried to crank it back up....and when i did, it cranked right up. but it also did that when i just replaced the neg cable...so i'm going to yet again, give this a few days before i say this is a fix or not...the only other thing to do would be to get a nissan starter....or a VQ swap w/ 6 speed....oh ya that sounds better.
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| « Re: | 10:17 AM 10/21/2007 |
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Fvcken CLICKING!
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Go get a multimeter. Cost like $3 for a cheap one. Do voltage drop test. I just went through a whole class of starters and alternators. Due voltage drops on the lines. Check the batttery to starter, relay on the starter, and the start signal line to the starter. My friends wont' start and it it brand new. Takes abotu 7 tries before ti will go. Relay is bad. Not completely burned out but only allows 7volts instead of 12
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