My j30 wont start, need help!

[infinitij30car1993]

hello every1,today i try to start my j30, the car start for about 2 sec and then stall, i try to start again , it wont start anymore.it was working fine yesterday, i am thinking my fuel line is freeze but the outside temp is only -8degree c and shall freeze the line and especially we are using 91 octance fuel.i also think that shall not be the starter, other wise it will not have to start the car in the first place b4 it stall.battery is consider new, only a few months old, when i try to start the engine again, all light in the dash does not go dime which indicate the battery is consider good

now , it is could be fuel fliter, fuel pump, EMC, FUEL INJECTOR problem /issue?

any1 here has encounter the same problem b4 or has any ideal what could be causing it, i need to try it myself b4 i will bring my car to the dealership to have it fixed

can any1 give me some ideal especially DominickJ30 , seem i saw his name on many forum and well know about car and eperience. thanks and have a nice day

[littlewillie]

Modified by littlewillie at 11:59 PM 12/23/2007

[infinitij30car1993]

Thanks willie , I will give that a try and let u know. just one curiously question, why have to push the gas pedal all the way to the floor.? is it to force the fuel to go though the fuel injector? thanks again

[littlewillie]

Modified by littlewillie at 11:59 PM 12/23/2007

[infinitij30inphx]

The exact same thing happened to me two days ago. I googled the topic and apparently this happens a lot with J30s. The depressing the accelerator solution is also mentioned several times. I tried it and it didn't work. I read a post somewhere where a mechanic suggested that too a j30 owner and it worked inittially but a year later it didn't work. My car is still at my house waiting for a solution. I'll repost when I get it fixed. Thanks for your help though.

[driverdriver]

Welcome to NICO infinitij30car1993!!!

Previous to your car stalling and not starting, did you take your car not fully warmed up on one or more short trips?

Its well known that the J hates short trips (especially not fully warmed up) especially in the winter.

Its highly unlikely you have fuel line freeze, especially if you buy your gas at a Petro-Canada, Esso, Sunoco, etc. If you buy it at an independent, its possible.

I suspect you've flooded your engine and it will not turn over.

[jspecj30t]

I have the same problem on my J30t right now for some reason it seem to get flooded all when i start it up. inorder to clear it out u need to remove a few fuses.. i usually have to do this every morning if i dont hold the gas pedal at about 2000 rpms just until the needle is slightly above the C level. anyway. try this to see if it helps.**U EITHER HAVE TO BE really QUICK OR HAVE SOMEONE HELP U** #1 remove the fuel pump fuse and fuel injector fuses in the engine bay(LOCATED INSIDE THE BLACK FUSE BOX( important leave them in place tho bcuz u have to push them back in rite away after step 2) #2 try to start the car now. it should fire right up.< - this will clear out the flooding #3leave the car running#4 now run back to engine bay push both fuses back in at the same time u need to either push on the gas pedal or use the lever right infront of the manifold u might need to hold it until the car is fully warmed up!! Ps 1st check which lever actually controls the gas!!! also check on the water levels for the battery it might be low.. try this out and let me know if it work.. good luck
Modified by jspecj30t at 2:18 PM 1/28/2007

[infinitij30car1993]

yes i consider taking short trip most of the time but most of the time the nigine will warm up b4 i reach the destination, just a few minutes drive. now each time , i turn my key to ACC ON, THERE IS some kind of noise came rom the back, (i think it is fuel tank) like a train noise and then stop which never heard of for my last years. that is why i think it could be the fuel pump, my car still sit on drive way. now winter time is so cold, hope the warm day will come and have time to look into that. btw, how could a few short trip could flooded the engine? thanks

[infinitij30car1993]

hey let me know once u fix yours and tell me wat is the problem causing that, is it fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator? or fuel injetor? thanks

[yodawill2000]

By design the J's engine runs VERY rich when its cold. And if you lucky like me and have a small hole in one of the cats the cabin will smell so strong of fuel it will get you dizzy My first move after start up is too hit the recirculate air button until she warms up.

[whatrudoing159]

hey my girlfriend has a 95 j30 and the same prob, i got it to start after holding the gas pedal and trying for like an hour, coudlnt get it over 30 and then when she brought it in its all electrical and some mechanical and it totaled one real pretty penny so good luck! ive heard of alot of j30s having the same prob too

[infinitij30car1993]

so u did not decide to ix it? how much they quota for you to fix it? thanks

[puck]

i turn my key to ACC ON, THERE IS some kind of noise came rom the back, (i think it is fuel tank) like a train noise and then stop which never heard of for my last years.

You sure that's not the power antenna rising? I've noticed the motor noise from the antenna on my J has been more noticable with the cold temperatures. It will start as soon as you put the key in the ACC on position if the radio tuner is on. If the CD player is on or the radio is off, you won't notice it....if its the antenna.

I'd also add that my J has had a couple hard starts this winter exactly like the ones described in the thread. One required me to hold the petal down to get it to start. Guess that's just the J sometimes.

[infinitij30car1993]

hello puck, you have very good abservation, you did not mention it , i never think of it, yes it is sound like atenna noise in some way, but my bose cd/casstte is off, sometime the noise if it is not like train noise , it will sound like whale singing or douphin noise . not sure u guys heard of those noise b4. so u actually has to pull the gas pedal all the way down in order to be able to start the car???? thanks

[driverdriver]

A dying fuel pump and faulty fuel sending unit has more of a whirring sound.

[infinitij30car1993]

hello driver driver,that is wat i think , i am still waiting the order of fuel pump from ebayi hope it is not the sending unit

[Gumby1]

The fuel pump would make the noise you describe, especially with a half empty tank.

Today I put a pressure tester on my J. It held 40 psi fine after it was shut off. The fuel pressure regulator worked fine. No leaky injectors. No leaky regulator. Strong pump.

The plugs showed they were running rich, but not flooded rich.

Putting the pedal to the floor during starting puts most cars into "clear flood" mode. It shuts off the injectors and lets lots of air in. Pulling the fuses is kind of redundant.

My J will only start that way once it stalls.

I'm leaning toward ECT or a leak in the hoses to the MAF. Something that is causing it to go full rich until the O2s kick in.

I'm hoping to get a scan tool on it tomorrow.

[Gumby1]

I noticed the coolant was low this morning.

The water pump is leaking. I filled it up and the stall/hard restart went away.

My theory is that the ECT is sitting in air when the coolant is low. It reads ambient air temp when sitting so it starts OK. It doesn't get warm at nearly the same rate as the engine so it continues to tell the ECM that the car is very cold. The ECM pumps in the fuel until the coolant heats up enough to rise to the level of the ECT.

[Jestered]

I had the same thing happen to me this morning on the way out to work. It cranked up and then died. It would then crank, but would not turn over. I had to leave so I jumped in the truck and went to work. I knew I had seen this thread and checked it when I got home. I went outside, put the gas to the floor and she started right up.... stuttering. I kept it around 2K RPMs for about 30 secs and it calmed down. It seems to be running fine now.

That last time it was on, before the problem start, was the other night. I turned it on, backup it up about 5 feet so someone could fit in my driveway behind me and then shut it off. So it appears that my problem was the flooded cold start (no warm) problem. I am just glad that I did not have to sink any $$$ into getting it fixed.

I have made a mental note to make sure to let it warm up before shutting it off in the cold.