my sr wont crank

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im done with the swap and ive gotten everything connected, i turn the key all i hear is clicking.one click one per key turn. the engine doesnt even try to crankat all. the clicking is comming from the fuse boxes and the starter relay. i dont think its my wiring cus rob=jdm_master_X checked it out. all the dash lights work, i dont hear fuel pump either. i checked teh battery which was fine. i checked to see if powers getting to the computer, it was since the red led light was on.

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240 ville
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sounds like a dead battery

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droptop-sr20
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I had the same problem not to long ago. chect the wires and the ground going to your starter and try that! If that doesnt work try tapping the starter with a hammer while one of your buddys tries to crank it.some times the starter binds up and a little tap gets them going again

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its a freshly swapped sr the battery is fine
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fregisr
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take the starter to autozone and they can still test it for you regardless if it's jdm. Or just take a jumper cable accross your starter to see if it turns

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the starters fine i just connected the ground and the power together, and it cranked, but it wont crank when im turning the key, if teh check engine warning light doesnt come on when i turn the key does that mean the ecu isnt getting power

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Blown240sx
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What are you all talking about? Ground? There is no ground on the starter its a Signal wire fromt he ignition and the power... The System grounds its self through the transmission and block.

You need to test the volts on the signal wire and the power wire. Its sounds like either weak voltage or bad starter.

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alright look if u take a wire across the starter it will crank. the starter is fine

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double check your cable the ones that connects to your dash BY your ecu. Did you solder those wires or taped them. Also when you turn the key, do you hear like the fuel pump cycle or anything. ?does your dash light work at all?

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I had a similar problem and found out that one of the wires coming from the ignition terminal was loose and I had to hold the key in START position and wiggle the wire around to get my car started.

Before that all I would hear is clik... sometimes repetitive fast clicks or sometimes, it would try to start then die.

Check your ignition wires. To see which wires exactly, consult your FSM and go to Starting systems. Check the wiring diagram. It tells you which terminal and what color wire gets the 12V when you turn they key to START.

Basically, On a S14, 12Vs are sent through ign wire #5 and #6 and that goes to the clutch interlock relay which sends signal to the starter only if the clutch switch is depressed. This is w/o anti-theft. W. anti-theft, there is another relay that if the alarm is engaged, grouds the relay and interrupts the signal from the clutch switch to the clutck interlock relay.

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fregisr wrote:double check your cable the ones that connects to your dash BY your ecu. Did you solder those wires or taped them. Also when you turn the key, do you hear like the fuel pump cycle or anything. ?does your dash light work at all?
i solderd all the wires,my dash lights work, and i dont hear the fuel pump cycle

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ILikeMy240sx wrote:I had a similar problem and found out that one of the wires coming from the ignition terminal was loose and I had to hold the key in START position and wiggle the wire around to get my car started.

Before that all I would hear is clik... sometimes repetitive fast clicks or sometimes, it would try to start then die.

Check your ignition wires. To see which wires exactly, consult your FSM and go to Starting systems. Check the wiring diagram. It tells you which terminal and what color wire gets the 12V when you turn they key to START.

Basically, On a S14, 12Vs are sent through ign wire #5 and #6 and that goes to the clutch interlock relay which sends signal to the starter only if the clutch switch is depressed. This is w/o anti-theft. W. anti-theft, there is another relay that if the alarm is engaged, grouds the relay and interrupts the signal from the clutch switch to the clutck interlock relay.
when i turn the key the car wont even try to start at all all i hear is one click per key turn which is comming from the fuse boxes, and the light green fuse by the chaissis connector, and i dont have a anti theft device.

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anyonw else

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okay i checked the ecu the red led light is on so i know its getting power, the starter relay clicks so i know thats getting power too were is the starter soneonid located

fregisr
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Did you cut the old connectors from your KA harness and soldered it on the SR? Can you take pictures of those connectors the one on the engine bay and the one by your ecu?

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fregisr wrote:Did you cut the old connectors from your KA harness and soldered it on the SR? Can you take pictures of those connectors the one on the engine bay and the one by your ecu?
yea i used old connecors from the ka and solderd the m

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i really thinkin about takin this **** to a shop i dunno what else to do' ****

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Have you checked your engine grounds? have you gone over every ground and use a multimeter to see if your main powers are getting power? Dude just check things with a multimeter you will find something.

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Blown240sx wrote:Have you checked your engine grounds? have you gone over every ground and use a multimeter to see if your main powers are getting power? Dude just check things with a multimeter you will find something.
that what we were just doing. i dunno what else to do honestly

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Have you tested the volts coming off the signal wire on the car? The wire that isnt the power wire on the starter. Stick a probe in the wire lead and have a friend turn the key over check the volts. My buddy had a problem with his syliniod being bad and his wouldnt start. I have a feeling its in there.

Also if you test and your not getting voltage go to the key sylinoid and test the back of it to see if the run swtich is clicking over and sending volts when the key is turned. If not then it the syliniod if so it might be in the clutch relay which if youd like can be bypassed by running a wire from the on position on the syliniod to the start signal side.Estenially hot wiring the car but still using the key.

Sorry I just rememberd he had this problem.

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well i remember we stuck a probe to the blade connecter onthe starter and turned the key to see if voltage was getting to the starter and 0 volts showed up. but how could the solioid be bad if i put a screw driver across it and it cranked
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hey anyone in northern california think they can help me out im willing to give my side mount intercooler for anyone that can help figure out whats wrong

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Post a pic of your battery set-up. My car would click. All lights would work radio turn(even the amp) on etc. I just had a loose connection at the battery. The clamps were tight but weren't tight on the post. After tkaign them off and on a couple times you got to get new ones. t's a ground/power issue with your battery. #1 check your grounds mainly the one to the battery tray and the intake mani.Check your battery connections. DO THIS: Hook up jumper cables to another car onto your battery and then try starting it....Report back

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Florida240sx wrote:Post a pic of your battery set-up. My car would click. All lights would work radio turn(even the amp) on etc. I just had a loose connection at the battery. The clamps were tight but weren't tight on the post. After tkaign them off and on a couple times you got to get new ones. t's a ground/power issue with your battery. #1 check your grounds mainly the one to the battery tray and the intake mani.Check your battery connections. DO THIS: Hook up jumper cables to another car onto your battery and then try starting it....Report back
i tried doing the jump thig with another car and nothing happend still, i also got the battery charged today at autozone still nothing. the ground going from the battery tray to the intake manifold is fine. ill post pics of my battery set up as soon as i can

Blown240sx
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Thats it then its not the siliniod on the starter but your key siliniod. The thing thats has I think 5-6 wires coming out ofit. The ignition/key/silinoid whatever you call it. Check the back of it for volts coming out of the on start position wire for volts. I think your key siliniod is shot like my buddies was.

That signal wire should get 12v at the starter when you click the key over. You said it got 0 so its either the key siliniod is bad or the relay for the clutch. What we did is replaced the siliniod and by passed the clutch relay with a wire straight to the starter signal side and boom the car started right up.

EXAMPLE NOT A NISSAN DIAGRAM


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Blown240sx wrote:Thats it then its not the siliniod on the starter but your key siliniod. The thing thats has I think 5-6 wires coming out ofit. The ignition/key/silinoid whatever you call it. Check the back of it for volts coming out of the on start position wire for volts. I think your key siliniod is shot like my buddies was.

That signal wire should get 12v at the starter when you click the key over. You said it got 0 so its either the key siliniod is bad or the relay for the clutch. What we did is replaced the siliniod and by passed the clutch relay with a wire straight to the starter signal side and boom the car started right up.

EXAMPLE NOT A NISSAN DIAGRAM
hmm i dont think it was teh clutch switch cus i let off the clutch and turned the key to start position and nothing clicked but when i have the clutch pressed in then the relays click. so i dont think thats it. but the wire i probed i think it was the wrong one, i probed that little blade connector that goes into the metal prong on teh starter soenoid. the bit circle connector that had the rubber cup on it is the power wire right?

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from what it sounds like is you need a new ignition switsh unless you didnt test the right wires.replace your ignition switch.let us know

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are you using the stock battery ground wire, if its s14 i've had a problem like this, i had to make sure that both the tabs on the stock ground were grounded otherwise it would only click. i don't know why it is this way, but on my car it was

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i had the same prob a month ago. if your looking for a shop in norcal, theres this guy in sacramento, his name is phil, and he owns Speed of Sound. Took my dead s13 there and he fixed it in one day. cost me $200 to have him fix my transmission mounts, fix fuel pump relay cuz it didnt turn on when i turned the key on start position, just made sure my car was running right. i would highly recommend him if you decide to take it to the shop. just call to ask him if he knows whats going on.

phil916-381-3810

remember to tell him that Mang refered you to him

Blown240sx
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Ok cloud listen to me

Have a friend try to start the car but pull the plug off the spade connector on the starter. With the plug off the starter stick a voltage meter probe into that plug and ground the other probe ( you should know that just checking though ). Then have him try to start it. You should see 12volts or close to it. If not sounds like you need a new ignition switch. Like I said above.


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